Speculation: Sabres Roster Speculation - Pre-season 2023 Edition

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but we have more prospects than we can reasonably develop at this point.

I don't get this logic at all. We've got spots for all of our prospects except at the NHL level. Some will be in Europe developing, some will be in the NCAA developing, some will be in the CHL developing, some will be in the AHL developing.

We have PLENTY of space to develop prospects. What we don't have is NHL space for all of them once they're developed (or mostly developed).....and it's not like they're all going to become NHL quality.
 
I'd call revamping the defense a necessary move. It's odd that posters overlook that.

I'd like another forward + a quality starter. Another forward could be had. A quality starter is much harded to find.
Not necessarily a quality starter, just a guy who plays 40 games and shows a stats of 91% SV and above for example. I think it could have been done over the years considering how many goalies have been traded or signed to UFA.
 
I don't get this logic at all. We've got spots for all of our prospects except at the NHL level. Some will be in Europe developing, some will be in the NCAA developing, some will be in the CHL developing, some will be in the AHL developing.

We have PLENTY of space to develop prospects. What we don't have is NHL space for all of them once they're developed (or mostly developed).....and it's not like they're all going to become NHL quality.

The bottle neck will be the AHL -> NHL pipeline. In a few years, barring some big changes at the NHL level, we're going to have 6+ 1st/2nd year pros in Rochester. That's....alot. Only so much quality TOI to go around. There is such a thing as too many prospects....no idea what the hard number is, but with 20 drafted in the last 3 years (and only 1 out of the system so far in Bloom), the pipeline is gonna need a plunger.
 
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Not necessarily a quality starter, just a guy who plays 40 games and shows a stats of 91% SV and above for example. I think it could have been done over the years considering how many goalies have been traded or signed to UFA.
There were 11 guys who played 40 games and had a save percentage of .910 or higher last year.

What you're describing isn't easy to find at all. And teams that have one of those don't give them up easily.
 
There were 11 guys who played 40 games and had a save percentage of .910 or higher last year.

What you're describing isn't easy to find at all. And teams that have one of those don't give them up easily.
I mean, in general, to find goalie who would play 40 games for us and show such a percentage, especially now, with improved defense depth and very high-quality defenders. It doesn't have to be the guy who scored 91% or more last season. I also said that immediately after gone Ullmark, and not just last season, now the third year has already begun.

I mean, to be clear, I think for example Hart could do it, Gibson could do it, and a lot of other goalies.
Will UPL and Comrie be able to do it? I'm not sure and it's unlikely any of them will play 40 games in a season.
 
I'd call revamping the defense a necessary move. It's odd that posters overlook that.

I'd like another forward + a quality starter. Another forward could be had. A quality starter is much harded to find.
I agree. I think having defensive depth is going to make more of a difference than a lot of people think. Beyond what those guys add to the mix, not having to have fringe or sub level NHL guys in the lineup evens the quality of what we can ice through inevitable injury stretches and should lessen TOI for our top guys which should provide benefits to both individuals and the team.

I also think the new D likely add a bit of PK chops, which should help given that meaningful improvement in what we're looking for is going to come at least as much from evolution in scheme and commitment than from talent infusion. I expect some fits and starts on that front earlier in the season, but I think the expectation should be that there needs to be a noticeable difference there as we head into the latter stretch.

I would be happy to add a Pesce (or a proven goalie) but I think it's hard to say that real talent and depth hasn't been added on defense or that isn't clearly reason to think that it won't make a positive impact given what we iced last year.

Depth on defense matters. A lot. And Johnson and Clifton are unquestionably better than anyone we trotted out besides Power, Dahlin, and Samuelsson.
 
I mean, in general, to find goalie who would play 40 games for us and show such a percentage, especially now, with improved defense depth and very high-quality defenders. It doesn't have to be the guy who scored 91% or more last season. I also said that immediately after gone Ullmark, and not just last season, now the third year has already begun.

I mean, to be clear, I think for example Hart could do it, Gibson could do it, and a lot of other goalies.
Will UPL and Comrie be able to do it? I'm not sure and it's unlikely any of them will play 40 games in a season.
36 Goalies had a % of .910 or higher last season, 24 of which played more than 10 games, 19 played more than 20, 15 played more than 30, so less than half of the teams in the league had a goalie that put up a .910 and started more than 30 games.

I doubt Gibson would come in to this team and you would see his .899 jump to .910, which would be his highest since the 18-19 season.

Carter Hart would be my target since he was able to put up a .907 behind a bad Flyers team last season.
 

Also, Dom L has tweaked his stats but I still think they're based on the past 3 years of data, which means there is still Krueger taint and the younger guys are not going to have a track record to drive much in his model, which is the basis of these rankings.

More analytically inclined folks, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong there.
 
To be honest the Athletic models over value FA signings like crazy. It rarely works 1 to 1 statistically and yet they seem to always assume that. Additionally teams that stand pat tend to take a beating because of that same reasoning.
Because they're only looking at next season, which will be the best seasons left for most of the FAs. I think their ranking is actually pretty good in that regard. I too think that Buffalo will score fewer goals this season. If they were ranking longer term impacts, a lot of those FAs become a negative on the team, so we'd look better.
 
Something I haven't seen brought up: Dom's entire development philosophy is to allow guys to develop their offensive game first as that is (in his opinion) the most difficult thing to learn. That was clearly what was done last season. This season I would be willing to bet that working on developing the defensive game is the priority. While the number of goals scored may go down it would not shock me if as guys become more complete players the number of goals conceded falls much greater.
 

Also, Dom L has tweaked his stats but I still think they're based on the past 3 years of data, which means there is still Krueger taint and the younger guys are not going to have a track record to drive much in his model, which is the basis of these rankings.

More analytically inclined folks, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong there.
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36 Goalies had a % of .910 or higher last season, 24 of which played more than 10 games, 19 played more than 20, 15 played more than 30, so less than half of the teams in the league had a goalie that put up a .910 and started more than 30 games.

I doubt Gibson would come in to this team and you would see his .899 jump to .910, which would be his highest since the 18-19 season.

Carter Hart would be my target since he was able to put up a .907 behind a bad Flyers team last season.
As I said, I'm taking into account the seasons immediately after Ullmark's gone, not just the past. Also, the goalie can be promising or just a change of outfit is working, and in one team he has poor performance, and in the other good. For example Gustavsson, Georgiev, Vanecek improved, Samsonov and I'm sure there are more goalies. I really believe that Gibson will go 91%+ on the other team, all things considered. So and not against his trade.
 
Something I haven't seen brought up: Dom's entire development philosophy is to allow guys to develop their offensive game first as that is (in his opinion) the most difficult thing to learn. That was clearly what was done last season. This season I would be willing to bet that working on developing the defensive game is the priority. While the number of goals scored may go down it would not shock me if as guys become more complete players the number of goals conceded falls much greater.
My initial assessment of this upcoming season in mid-April came to that same conclusion, before draft, free agency, etc. I expect about a 2:1 reduction in GA for every less GF. Score effects will play a role, as will the Sabres improved team play and individual improvements.
 
I agree. I think having defensive depth is going to make more of a difference than a lot of people think. Beyond what those guys add to the mix, not having to have fringe or sub level NHL guys in the lineup evens the quality of what we can ice through inevitable injury stretches and should lessen TOI for our top guys which should provide benefits to both individuals and the team.

I also think the new D likely add a bit of PK chops, which should help given that meaningful improvement in what we're looking for is going to come at least as much from evolution in scheme and commitment than from talent infusion. I expect some fits and starts on that front earlier in the season, but I think the expectation should be that there needs to be a noticeable difference there as we head into the latter stretch.

I would be happy to add a Pesce (or a proven goalie) but I think it's hard to say that real talent and depth hasn't been added on defense or that isn't clearly reason to think that it won't make a positive impact given what we iced last year.

Depth on defense matters. A lot. And Johnson and Clifton are unquestionably better than anyone we trotted out besides Power, Dahlin, and Samuelsson.
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Best case scenario, EJ and Clifton are equal to where Joki was at the beginning of camp last offseason. In reality, I see them where Joki and Bryson were at the end of the year.

Johnson has very much looked like the wrong side of 30 player he is. He's lost quite a few steps in recent years. He's cashed in playing on an offensive force. He's a decent vet for a role, and he might be able to give you a good game 1 in 8 games, which may give Granato some flexibility to keep guys fresh, gameplan his roster to the opponent.

Clifton is the big one I'm worried about. I like his attitude towards games, and of course I like seeing him use his checking to take guys out of plays. But he had the safety net of a great structure of a team defense to help cover up some holes he left behind when he went to battle someone out of position. Unless the team defense does a 180 immediately to how they play in their own zone, I fear what will follow with how he plays the game. His decision making is pretty bad. I do like his transition game, so that should help out of he's able to keep his errors to a minimum.

I wouldn't say they are unquestionably better than what we had recently outside Power, Dahlin, and Samuelsson, but they do have a chance to be better. It's a slightly improvement than the Middle Pair AHL defenseman we had on the roster last year, I still think you're looking at a NHL 6-8th defenseman in both Clifton and EJ.
 
it takes 2 to tango .... other side of the coin

maybe he wasn't interested in playing in Buffalo ?
And why wouldn't he want to play in Buffalo? For example, 2 million against one million, plus Nosek would probably have an easier get 4C's role in Buffalo than in New Jersey. They already have a good 4C in McLeod. We don't have 4C at all.
 
And why wouldn't he want to play in Buffalo? For example, 2 million against one million, plus Nosek would probably have an easier get 4C's role in Buffalo than in New Jersey. They already have a good 4C in McLeod. We don't have 4C at all.
I don't know ... maybe his friends/family are in NJ ?

Maybe he would've loved it in Buffalo.

EVERYONE here is always 'We could've beat that deal' ....
Well maybe that 'deal' wasn't on the table for the Sabres
 
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