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Edge
Kris King's Ghost
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Wouldn't be against that at all but there's a risk, if he continues having a great season, that his value goes back down the third year.
I guarantee it will be similar return to the Vesey or Namestnikov trades. Gorton is on a bad trades/decisions streak.
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First I'm a bit amazed when people say they don't notice Strome on ice or what value he brings. Defensive play, board play (forechecking and backchecking), keeping up with both skill- and physical type of plays, Strome showed that he can do it all at a middle-6er level. Maybe not high-end second liners (or maybe thre's just not enough sample size available yet) but definitely high-end 3rd liner. He won't be able to carry a 2nd line (and that's why I didn't like him in Kreider - Strome - Kakko line) but he's different type of complement than Buchnevich to those high-end players - in both cases chemistry can be the deciding factor.
In term of development IIMHO could clearly fall into Brassard, Pouliot group of players who figure out what type of players they are and how to be successful around 25-26 y/o. Do you remember why the Rangers made the trade for him in the first place? Spooner couldn't earn a spot in top-6 and he didn't have a skillset and was completely useless in bottom-6. Strome started on the 4th line and honestly was barely a factor in the first 15-20 games. Good thing was that there was absolutely no expectations or pressure to produce (not in small part due to having Spooner on the other end of the trade) which was great for him. And then little by little he started to get comfortable and taking advantage of coaches giving him incremental increases in his responsibilities. So the current impact we are seeing from the time he got comfortable is probably over 50 points over 82 if your starting point is somewhere in February, 2019.
To me Strome is a keeper - before his cap hit comes into consideration. Considering his next contract - would he get over $4m for 4-5 years if he keeps it up? If so I'd reluctantly say "no, thank you". On the other hand in his NHL career Strome has experienced enough disappointments and "life lessons" to recognize that he found a home here and it is far from a guarantee that in his next location it won't be Isles or Oilers type of situation all over again. IMHO it is quite possible that he values his situation more than extra money and will be willing to stay in $3.x range. To me this is the only situation where Strome stays with the Rangers beyond this season.
In term of development IIMHO could clearly fall into Brassard, Pouliot group of players who figure out what type of players they are and how to be successful around 25-26 y/o. Do you remember why the Rangers made the trade for him in the first place? Spooner couldn't earn a spot in top-6 and he didn't have a skillset and was completely useless in bottom-6. Strome started on the 4th line and honestly was barely a factor in the first 15-20 games. Good thing was that there was absolutely no expectations or pressure to produce (not in small part due to having Spooner on the other end of the trade) which was great for him. And then little by little he started to get comfortable and taking advantage of coaches giving him incremental increases in his responsibilities. So the current impact we are seeing from the time he got comfortable is probably over 50 points over 82 if your starting point is somewhere in February, 2019.
To me Strome is a keeper - before his cap hit comes into consideration. Considering his next contract - would he get over $4m for 4-5 years if he keeps it up? If so I'd reluctantly say "no, thank you". On the other hand in his NHL career Strome has experienced enough disappointments and "life lessons" to recognize that he found a home here and it is far from a guarantee that in his next location it won't be Isles or Oilers type of situation all over again. IMHO it is quite possible that he values his situation more than extra money and will be willing to stay in $3.x range. To me this is the only situation where Strome stays with the Rangers beyond this season.
I feel like Strome is a pretty okay player. I remember saying in the off-season he probably deserved first crack at the 2C (even though I don't like him that much) and caught a lot of flak.
I would be fine bringing him back but not for a lot of money. I'm afraid he'd suddenly revert to a 35-40 point guy. Also afraid someone might be desperate and offer him silly money. I still think the smart play is to deal him at the deadline, even if we want to re-sign him later.
I would be fine bringing him back but not for a lot of money. I'm afraid he'd suddenly revert to a 35-40 point guy. Also afraid someone might be desperate and offer him silly money. I still think the smart play is to deal him at the deadline, even if we want to re-sign him later.
17futurecap
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Vesey is a horrible player, getting a third for him was excellent.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
yeah that was good value.
As far as Strome, he's just not going to continue shooting at 22% and he's not a play driver so I'd prefer to move him sooner than later. He's replaceable.
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As a Ranger, Strome has been better and more productive than Stepan, over that time period. With Stepan also getting way more ice time.
Stepan is no where near as good as people make him out to be.
SAME TIER of player.
This isn't 2012.
It’s worth mentioning that guys like Strome, who have been somewhat middling and shown flashes throughout their careers but never consistently often have career years when they’re in a pivotal contract year and then never return to that peak. Strome could have a 60 point year, cash in and return to being an inconsistent 40 point player very easily. If he isn’t on the scoresheet the rest of his game leaves a lot to be desired. As a 50-60 point player, people can live with that. As a streaky, 40 point player that becomes a lot less amenable, especially if it’s right after getting a payday.
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Inferno
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I'm late to the party...but it sure looks like you're comparing the 82ish best games of stromes career to the 82ish worst games of stepans....
Yes, and it’s just my opinion, but whenever I watch Strome I feel he’s making poor plays throughout the neutral zone and in our own end consistently and then, boom, he’s tapping in a Panarin pass or banging in a rebound and continuing to rack up points. Listen, if his time as a Ranger is indicative of him turning a page and not just him playing for this next contract, than he’s a productive player with some holes in his game (like most non-star players) but I’d be wary of committing to Strome. I think when he was traded to us, knowing he had 1.5 years left on his contract he also knew that if he fell on his face he was likely going to be out of the league or looking at a one year minimum deal somewhere. I think players in his position often have career years and fail to remain that productive once they get some security. I’ll gladly take some crow if that isn’t the case next year, but Ryan Strome as a top six fixture doesn’t make me warm and fuzzy and giving him 4M to be on our third line doesn’t either.
offdacrossbar
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ryan strome is a very solid 3C on a good team. no question.
hes a productive 2C on this team.
hes versatile, reliable and the coach trusts him. he can slide to the wing and be just as good in that role.
i would absolutely take him back on a new deal next year.
if lias andersson turns into ryan strome, i would take that right now
hes a productive 2C on this team.
hes versatile, reliable and the coach trusts him. he can slide to the wing and be just as good in that role.
i would absolutely take him back on a new deal next year.
if lias andersson turns into ryan strome, i would take that right now
I totally agree, I would not mind Strome back as long as they don't outbid themselves or another team to overpay
NYR Viper
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Could the return for Strome be something where the Rangers hey a 2nd + prospect + conditional pick next year if he is re-signed? He’s a RFA so the team has the opportunity to sign him long term or to a 1 year qualifier or walk if it doesn’t work out as planned and he is asking for too much. That’s of value to teams who have troubles bringing in UFA’s. Maybe a team like Dallas?
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That's the point? It's not 2012.
We can compare the next 82, going forward as well.... and there's a strong possibility they will produce the same. Like initially posted, same tier of middle 6 player.
No one refutes the point, only rose-colored memories... Which must mean Staal is still a poke-checking god #1D ...
GeorgeKaplan
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Tawnos
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*At this point* I'd probably put Strome and Stepan in the same group of players. But a lot of that is because I think Stepan's ability to impact games has diminished, at least from the few times we've seen him over the last couple of years. Strome is definitely not in the same tier that Stepan was in when he was at his best. Not watching him every day, I don't know if Stepan's lost a step of speed or a tick of reaction time (or both... or neither). But he's clearly not the player he was with the Rangers or his first year in Arizona.
Which, by the way, is something I'm convinced the Rangers predicted based on whatever physical testing data they have, and the central reason he was traded.
Which, by the way, is something I'm convinced the Rangers predicted based on whatever physical testing data they have, and the central reason he was traded.
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Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I actually kind of see what Duhmetree is saying. At this point in their respective careers, the 2019 version of Strome is better than, or at least preferable to the 2019 version of Stepan.
Stepan's peak was higher, and certainly more sustained, but a 26 year old Strome is better than a Stepan the last two years, potentially even at this same points in their careers. Though the latter remains to be seen.
Stepan's peak was higher, and certainly more sustained, but a 26 year old Strome is better than a Stepan the last two years, potentially even at this same points in their careers. Though the latter remains to be seen.
SA16
Sixstring
Strome is not a better player than Stepan now or last year unless the only thing you do is look at the point totals
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I don’t know, I wouldn’t trade Strome’s performance for Stepan’s over the last season and this season thus far; nor would I trade one for the other if Arizona called tomorrow morning.
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That's not what's being discussed.... and subjective. It's humorous too because point totals were used to show Stepan was better but can't be used to show Strome improved.
They're both in the same tier. Who's trending up? Who's trending down? Cost benefit?
They're both middle6 forwards and are the same tier/caliber of player. I don't know how I could simplify it any further. If Strome wants 9% cap hit... he's gone. Luckily, he's still a RFA. We can at least control him for 1 more year. 2 years would be the sweet spot for us.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I feel like Strome came in with a taint that’s been hard for him to shake.
By just about every objective measurable and reasonable standard he has, at the very least, exceeded expectations - if not completely blown them away.
By just about every objective measurable and reasonable standard he has, at the very least, exceeded expectations - if not completely blown them away.
