Player Discussion Ryan Spooner Part V

[spoons51]

This place kills me. The brainwashing that every player needs to be a Selke candidate just to execute Claude's system needs to stop. You can have a mix of skill sets and be fine, in fact, most teams do. Only here were we subjected to this one style, all players must be the same BS that permeated here the last 10 years.

Thank you for saying this

It's okay to be an offensive specialist. It's okay to be a defensive specialist. It's not okay to have a team that is not well rounded.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I realize that some are going to kill him for being a whiny baby blah blah blah...... but I think we all said the same thing about Claude and some players.

So to me, preach on brother.

 

[DNE3]

One of these things is not like the other. Koko can't get consistent playing time in the KHL.

Koko was one year too late and did not outlast the old master ex-coach, but his agent spoke out on his behalf. Cassidy knows what Koko brought to the table.

 

[bruins repeat time]

Koko was one year too late and did not outlast the old master ex-coach, but his agent spoke out on his behalf. Cassidy knows what Koko brought to the table.

In that case we will look forward to his return and future stardom win=win

 

[DNE3]

In that case we will look forward to his return and future stardom win=win

I do believe Cassidy once stated that Koko could play on his team anytime, to paraphrase. I'll take his word.

 

[bruins repeat time]

I do believe Cassidy once stated that Koko could play on his team anytime, to paraphrase. I'll take his word.

I am not disputing that , I am looking forward to another good to great player coming back if your right . I will be happy if he does come back and succeed. I don't cheer against any bruins and I for one have no clue on Koko. I can omly remember having 0 faith in a couple bruins . Bourques kid and that dman from Ottawa Corvo or something . The rest I have had hope for koko included

 

[bruins repeat time]

I am not here to say Spooner cant be a better player under Cassidy , he sure can and I actually hope he is . That alone doesn't actually make Cassidy a better coach. I think it is already obvious is was the right move for us this yr despite the fact I originally didn't think it was. I hope Cassidy is a better coach since he is ours now . I just don't like to hear a lot of false stuff come up or bashing of a guy I know from his life record and the league perception of him is a helluva coach. If somehow I am wrong or all the experts are wrong and the game has passed him by we will see that over time not in a day week month or year.

 

[Absurdity]

Spooner disliked Claude, and Claude disliked Spooner. Who would've thunk it?

Claude used to call him out in front of the media after a tough loss because Spooner hadn't contributed or played like how Claude liked. Claude never called out his washed up vets. It was mostly someone like Spooner who played up to par wit the rest of the noncontributing members of his team, but he was always the one singled out.

It looks like Spooner knows that if he wants to be a center in the NHL, he needs to work on the defensive side of his game. That includes working on faceoffs. In the last few games under Cassidy, you can see Spooner being the 3rd man down low helping the defense out. He still has holes in his game that need to be fixed, faceoffs/board work/etc., but what people need to realize is that trust is a two-way street. Trust isn't immediately prevalent between two individuals, it needs to be built upon, and that was Claude's problem. Claude wanted immediate results. Under Cassidy, Cassidy is putting Spooner in a position to build that trust between Spooner and himself with Spooner playing on the PK for example.

This is nothing like Khokhlachev who complained and had not shown anything at the NHL level. If Claude is allowed to single out Spooner to the media, what is wrong with Spooner bringing up the coach not trusting him while placing blame on his game?

 

[World of Wardlow]

If he was an entitled brat he would have been moved out a while ago. I just don't see a player like that lasting that long in an organization where it's clear he is not typically what they look for in a player. There's obviously something, besides his game, that has been valued by Bruins for the last 5+ years.

They tried trading him for Chris Stewart a couple of years ago

 

[World of Wardlow]

Spooner disliked Claude, and Claude disliked Spooner. Who would've thunk it?

Claude used to call him out in front of the media after a tough loss because Spooner hadn't contributed or played like how Claude liked. Claude never called out his washed up vets. It was mostly someone like Spooner who played up to par wit the rest of the noncontributing members of his team, but he was always the one singled out.

It looks like Spooner knows that if he wants to be a center in the NHL, he needs to work on the defensive side of his game. That includes working on faceoffs. In the last few games under Cassidy, you can see Spooner being the 3rd man down low helping the defense out. He still has holes in his game that need to be fixed, faceoffs/board work/etc., but what people need to realize is that trust is a two-way street. Trust isn't immediately prevalent between two individuals, it needs to be built upon, and that was Claude's problem. Claude wanted immediate results. Under Cassidy, Cassidy is putting Spooner in a position to build that trust between Spooner and himself with Spooner playing on the PK for example.

This is nothing like Khokhlachev who complained and had not shown anything at the NHL level. If Claude is allowed to single out Spooner to the media, what is wrong with Spooner bringing up the coach not trusting him while placing blame on his game?

Call me crazy, but the way I, personally, saw it was Claude seeing potential and something special in Ryan Spooner. And by showing nothing but love would be the absolute wrong thing to do to a player who is special and has the potential to be a solid, long last top 6 forward.

It's called tough love.

Some people can handle it, and use it to reach their potential and be great.

Others simply cannot.

This is my interpretation of it. In 5 years (more or less) I believe Ryan Spooner will see it this way too. He's still young and naive.

 

[bruins repeat time]

Spooner disliked Claude, and Claude disliked Spooner. Who would've thunk it?

Claude used to call him out in front of the media after a tough loss because Spooner hadn't contributed or played like how Claude liked. Claude never called out his washed up vets. It was mostly someone like Spooner who played up to par wit the rest of the noncontributing members of his team, but he was always the one singled out.

It looks like Spooner knows that if he wants to be a center in the NHL, he needs to work on the defensive side of his game. That includes working on faceoffs. In the last few games under Cassidy, you can see Spooner being the 3rd man down low helping the defense out. He still has holes in his game that need to be fixed, faceoffs/board work/etc., but what people need to realize is that trust is a two-way street. Trust isn't immediately prevalent between two individuals, it needs to be built upon, and that was Claude's problem. Claude wanted immediate results. Under Cassidy, Cassidy is putting Spooner in a position to build that trust between Spooner and himself with Spooner playing on the PK for example.

This is nothing like Khokhlachev who complained and had not shown anything at the NHL level. If Claude is allowed to single out Spooner to the media, what is wrong with Spooner bringing up the coach not trusting him while placing blame on his game?

I don't really have a problem with it but I think your better to say nothing. He also hasn't really established himself post Julien yet to throw a party.

 

[Blowfish]

Call me crazy, but the way I, personally, saw it was Claude seeing potential and something special in Ryan Spooner. And by showing nothing but love would be the absolute wrong thing to do to a player who is special and has the potential to be a solid, long last top 6 forward.

It's called tough love.

Some people can handle it, and use it to reach their potential and be great.

Others simply cannot.

This is my interpretation of it. In 5 years (more or less) I believe Ryan Spooner will see it this way too. He's still young and naive.

The last 3 years was horrible player management by Claude. Happy won the cup but happy to see him move on. Perfect timing with new young guns coming up pipeline. Not going to miss the bizarre decisions he made on a nightly basis. It was frustrating as hell.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Joe Haggerty Verified account @HackswithHaggs

Ryan Spooner: "I felt like the last coach...he didnt really trust me. It might've been on me, but I just dont think he liked me as a player"

Spooner is correct in his assessment, glad he is telling it like it is. Julien would never criticize any of his beloved vets, no matter how poorly they played, but was quick to jump all over Spooner.

 

[Hali33]

The comments don't bother me and I like Claude.

It would bother me if he said these things publicly while he was still the coach. I don't think what he said was untrue. Nor do I think he's the type of player who has a habit of bringing his woes to the media. Seems like quite the opposite. If my memory is correct, however, Claude had criticism multiple times for Spooner he chose to share to the media.

 

[TheBigBadB]

to not think coaches have biased on the type of players they like is naive. They do, that's why some thrive under a coach some fold. It's normal for any team.

 

[bruins repeat time]

The comments don't bother me and I like Claude.

It would bother me if he said these things publicly while he was still the coach. I don't think what he said was untrue. Nor do I think he's the type of player who has a habit of bringing his woes to the media. Seems like quite the opposite. If my memory is correct, however, Claude had criticism multiple times for Spooner he chose to share to the media.

I get what your saying but im pretty sure you we are never going to hear spooner cost me my job or any talk of Spooner from Claude now.

 

[bruins repeat time]

The last 3 years was horrible player management by Claude. Happy won the cup but happy to see him move on. Perfect timing with new young guns coming up pipeline. Not going to miss the bizarre decisions he made on a nightly basis. It was frustrating as hell.

I guess I just don't see the major personal changes you guys see. The biggest complaint on this board was how he was playing a moron according to the boards like k. miller and holding back bobby orr aka joe morrow yet im still looking for him .

I see some changes I like where Cassidy has been moving forwards in and out I think are inner changeable and obviously one major change in cehlarik but that was sweeneys call not Claudes. I know he often had Czarnik on the higher lines so I am not going to say this couldn't have happened.

 

[LSCII]

Thank you for saying this

It's okay to be an offensive specialist. It's okay to be a defensive specialist. It's not okay to have a team that is not well rounded.

This is exactly right. When you go too far in either direction, all you get is a team with glaring flaws. That's what this team was the last 2.5 seasons under Claude. It had gone too far to the defensive side.

 

[LSCII]

I just don't know where you get this coaches don't care about defense stuff. Go read Kuznetsov player tribune on all the changes he had to get used to nhl wise coming from Russia . Look at the type of talent the hawks have had and how they have dealt with them. Do you know a player Teuvo teraveinen. Drafted 2012 --all the talent in the world x5 . Did Chicago just constantly throw him out from the start and not worry about mistakes or are all these guys not brought along like a Pastrnak. Pasta was a guy that was given a lot more playing time and excused for mistakes more than many guys of his talent and age .

Claude might be a touch more strict as far as defense goes but there isn't a COACH in this league that doesn't hold all his players accountable for defense.

Even Cassidy has said the defensive system with out the puck is the exact same as Juliens. I don't think we are talking about helter skelter here , we are talking about small changes that have so far worked great .

Who said anything about coaches not caring about defense? You're reading WAY too much into what I said. All I'm saying is that not every guy on your roster needs to be a selke caliber shut down forward. You can have a mix of skills, and with that mix, some will be better defensively and some will be better offensively than other guys. But being all the same kind of guy and needing all the players to be that had caused this team to stagnate under Claude the last 2.5 seasons here. And it's a big reason why he's gone, imo. If he'd have been more flexible and less rigid, maybe things would have been different.

 

[LSCII]

The last 3 years was horrible player management by Claude. Happy won the cup but happy to see him move on. Perfect timing with new young guns coming up pipeline. Not going to miss the bizarre decisions he made on a nightly basis. It was frustrating as hell.

Amen to this. Drove me nuts watching some of the insanity...

 

[weaponomega]

Spooner is a soft, lazy, one dimensional player. I can see why Julien wasn't overly fond of him.

 

[BadBruins]

To me he's like like the middle-6 version of Krejci (consistency). I don't really buy the coaching or wing vs center debate. He's had some good stretches on the wing. He's had some great stretches under Julien. He's just inconsistent. I'll take the 40-50 points and uneven play over 90% of the scrubs that typically make up the bottom-6. He'll contribute more often than not and can occasionally be a difference maker because of his skill level. That's worth something. Not everyone is cut from the same cloth. Even if he doesn't evolve, he has a use.

As much of a Julien fan as I am, I don't think he ever had Spooner's back. I'd prefer he say generic nice things and move on, but he was called out publicly by Clode..... multiple times. Often as a bit of a punching bag when he didn't factor into the final result either way. One thing that bothered me over the past few losing years was the pointing of fingers at "passengers". Singled out players were often expendable, rookies, and/or making near league minimum. I think it only contributed to the country club atmosphere. I don't believe Claude hindered Spooners development at all though.

 

[The National]

Spooner is a soft, lazy, one dimensional player. I can see why Julien wasn't overly fond of him.

He continues to be a non factor night after night. Very disappointing.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

It takes 2 to tango. Maybe his game isn't as good as he thinks.

I get he's frustrated etc. but be professional about it. No need to air dirty laundry unless you're begging to be moved.

I think it's funny that Claude could call out Ryan Spooner an excessive amount (far more than any other player that I can remember), but when Ryan finally says something after Claude leaves, he's an "entitled brat".

And yes, I understand there is a difference in the coach of the team and the player on the team. The coach is higher up, technically speaking. But, it seems like no coincidence to me that the posters who are hardest on Ryan Spooner are the ones who have an undying loyalty to Claude Julien.

I don't understand why, no matter how you feel about Claude, people can't accept that Ryan v. Claude wasn't exactly a match made in heaven, and it's no surprise that Spooner is FINALLY saying something about it after Claude made the strain in the relationship so obvious for all these years.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Call me crazy, but the way I, personally, saw it was Claude seeing potential and something special in Ryan Spooner. And by showing nothing but love would be the absolute wrong thing to do to a player who is special and has the potential to be a solid, long last top 6 forward.

It's called tough love.

Some people can handle it, and use it to reach their potential and be great.

Others simply cannot.

This is my interpretation of it. In 5 years (more or less) I believe Ryan Spooner will see it this way too. He's still young and naive.

You can't use tough love for EVERY ****ING PLAYER. As is so Julien, he didn't adjust. Ryan Spooner has looked so, so, so much better under Cassidy. Think that has something to do with Bruce expressing some confidence in him verbally? Sticking him out there on the PK? Giving him freedom in the offensive zone?

Frighteningly, it feels like there is a demographic of posters that wanted this team to "go down with the ship" i.e. Julien, instead of making a change. Now, the new guy is succeeding and I'm still seeing this rhetoric around the board from some as if the Bruins CLEARLY made a bad decision. I just don't get it. Was Julien NEVER allowed to be fired because he won a Cup? Because he WAS, for a time, successful? Because of the history he had with the team?

It's been an interesting couple of weeks. I genuinely feel I don't watch the game nearly the same way as some of you. I truly don't get too attached to players, or coaches, etc. I just want to see a consistent and competitive ALL-AROUND team. That's what I'm getting now with Cassidy. That isn't something I saw in probably 3.5-4 years from Julien's team.