Player Discussion Ryan Spooner Part V

[ODAAT]

NHL games have around 1 faceoff per minute spread fairly evenly across the three zones.

ON AVERAGE it has been shown that a team being good at faceoffs has little correlation with possession throughout the game. This should make sense given that most of the game is played not having just had a faceoff. And, even after you win a faceoff, you aren't guaranteed to have possession for very long. How many faceoff wins are clean? How many are won but then see a forechecker right on the d-man forcing a clear off the boards?

MOST faceoffs are just the start to a series of events that lead to possession and then to goals. Obviously, you are better off starting with the advantage in the subsequent series of events, but given the ping pong nature of possession in the NHL and all the other puck battles that will quickly take place post a faceoff, it doesn't take very long for the effects of winning the faceoff to no longer exist.

So that's the argument as to why faceoffs don't matter. And even the folks that say they don't matter, don't actually say they don't matter, just that they are overrated.

HOWEVER...just because not every one of the 60 faceoffs that happen matters a whole lot DOES NOT MEAN THAT FACEOFFS DON'T MATTER A WHOLE LOT. A clean win with secure possession in either the offensive or defensive zone can obviously set you up for success. A clean win on the PP or PK is obviously important. And if a team, like say a team with Bergeron on it, can win a lot of clean draws, they can build set plays in a fluid game that lacks the chance for set plays. And we have seen the Bruins do that under Julien and Cassidy. Conversely, if every other team's center becomes Bergeron when facing off against Spooner, that matters, too.

Good post, funny, in EVERY broadcast I watch, no matter Bruins or otherwise, there is a consistent mention of faceoffs won/lost, in many post game articles written there is reference to a player or teams faceoff stats. While it`s not THE deciding factor in whether or not a team wins, to discount the value of winning a faceoff and gaining possession isn`t wise

"In the B’s 6-3 victory over the Dallas Stars, Bergeron scored two goals (including the game-winner), picked up a pretty assist on the first goal of the game, won 16-of-22 faceoffs, ripped off 10 shots (five on net) and finished a plus-3 with his line. Bergeron was just one of the standouts in a win that saw three of the four forward lines score, allowing the B’s to come home in third place in the Atlantic Division after taking six of a possible eight points on their western road trip."

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2017/02/reborn_patrice_bergeron_leads_bruins_past_stars

Now, all that said, like the way Spoons has played lately, this is still a Spooner thread no?

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Joe Haggerty Verified account @HackswithHaggs

Ryan Spooner: "I felt like the last coach...he didnt really trust me. It might've been on me, but I just dont think he liked me as a player"

 

[wintersej]

11 points in his last 14. +2.

 

[Spanky185]

Joe Haggerty Verified account @HackswithHaggs

Ryan Spooner: "I felt like the last coach...he didnt really trust me. It might've been on me, but I just dont think he liked me as a player"

Well this should be fun, let me go get some popcorn

 

[PlayMakers]

Joe Haggerty Verified account @HackswithHaggs

Ryan Spooner: "I felt like the last coach...he didnt really trust me. It might've been on me, but I just dont think he liked me as a player"

Lol, the new coach trusts him so much he plays him 3 minutes less per game and has Jimmy Hayes taking his faceoffs.

 

[Dr Hook]

Lol, the new coach trusts him so much he plays him 3 minutes less per game and has Jimmy Hayes taking his faceoffs.

Perception is reality . . .

 

[World of Wardlow]

The kid is a ****ing idiot. Contract year, mails it in and blames Claude Julien for HIS poor performance.

Remember, he asked to be traded in the OHL when the bruins drafted him ... he ended up getting traded twice in two years in the OHL.

The kid is stupid.

 

[BruinDust]

So basically, Ryan Spooner confirms that Ryan Spooner's problem is really Ryan Spooner.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

In Spooner's last 7 games under Julien:
Even Strength ATOI/g = 9:51
PP ATOI/g = 3:01
PK ATOI/g = 0:01
Zone Start Ratio = 83.64
Points = 1G - 4A - 5P
Primary Points = 3
Faceoffs = 6 for 24 = 25%
Relative Corsi For% = 9.4

In 7 games under Cassidy:
Even Strength ATOI/g = 10:08
PP ATOI/g = 2:58
PK ATOI/g = 0:38
Zone Start Ratio = 82.76
Points = 2G - 4A - 6P
Primary Points = 5
Faceoffs = 8 for 26 = 31%
Relative Corsi For% = 1.75

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

So basically, Ryan Spooner confirms that Ryan Spooner's problem is really Ryan Spooner.

Odd that that problem has gone away in the last couple weeks...

 

[Gee Wally]

For the last time any post that is made that contains flaming others will be dealt with via infractions, thread bans and bans.

We've had it.

Stick to the subject.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Lol, the new coach trusts him so much he plays him 3 minutes less per game and has Jimmy Hayes taking his faceoffs.

I think context matters. The Bruins have been scoring a lot more under Cassidy so in a lot of the games they've been rolling the 4th line to protect leads or grind out minutes. Spooner has even got some PK time under Cassidy.

Hell it's entirely possible that Cassidy straight up had conversations with him where he told him he trusted him, believes in him, etc. Maybe he didn't get that out of Claude?

 

[World of Wardlow]

Odd that that problem has gone away in the last couple weeks...

He played ONE or TWO good games under Cassidy.

The kid mailed it in all season because it wasn't beneficial to HIM ... he didn't like Claude Julien so he decides to not put in any effort. Do you want players like that on your team? He's young and naive.

 

[BruinDust]

Odd that that problem has gone away in the last couple weeks...

He went a PPG in late Dec./early Jan. for a stretch of 10 games under Julien.

The biggest difference between Cassidy and Julien is Cassidy tolerates Spooner's awful defensive game in his own end at center a lot more than Julien did.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

He went a PPG in late Dec./early Jan. for a stretch of 10 games under Julien.

The biggest difference between Cassidy and Julien is Cassidy tolerates Spooner's awful defensive game in his own end at center a lot more than Julien did.

I'm not disagreeing with that, but Spooner is a center, so it's a good thing that Cassidy can tolerate him playing at his actual position.

 

[jgatie]

Oh good for Haggs, he tweets out a "quote" six days after the Herald printed almost the exact same thing. What a ****ing hack!

“Yeah, I think for me it just kind of got to the point where (Julien) didn’t trust me as a player,” the 25-year-old Spooner said. “Some of that could have been on me. I wasn’t playing as well as I could have. But it’s in the past now. It’s kind of nice to have a fresh start. Just go out there and play the game that I know I can. The last four games, I think I’ve used my speed a little more.”

Bruins’ Ryan Spooner a new, improved player since coaching change

Way to go, Haggs. No wonder people say the only scoops you ever have is Hagen Daaz!

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I'm not disagreeing with that, but Spooner is a center, so it's a good thing that Cassidy can tolerate him playing at his actual position.

Phil Kessel and Patrick Kane were centers too. They were not tolerated at that position and it worked out OK for them.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

The kid is a ****ing idiot. Contract year, mails it in and blames Claude Julien for HIS poor performance.

Remember, he asked to be traded in the OHL when the bruins drafted him ... he ended up getting traded twice in two years in the OHL.

The kid is stupid.

I never thought Spooner mailed it in. I don't like his game at times, but I do think there was an issue in the fact that Claude called him out far more than anyone else on the team. The tough love thing is the solution for some players. Others you have to give confidence by showing some trust, and CJ never did that. You don't think it has had a positive impact on Ryan that Cassidy has given him PK time? Certainly would build my confidence, and probably make me a more effective player, if I was in Ryan's shoes.

 

[BMC]

Lol, the new coach trusts him so much he plays him 3 minutes less per game and has Jimmy Hayes taking his faceoffs.

Great minds PlayMakers, great minds

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

Phil Kessel and Patrick Kane were centers too. They were not tolerated at that position and it worked out OK for them.

They excelled on the wing. Spooner never has.

 

[BMC]

Oh good for Haggs, he tweets out a "quote" six days after the Herald printed almost the exact same thing. What a ****ing hack!



Bruins’ Ryan Spooner a new, improved player since coaching change

Way to go, Haggs. No wonder people say the only scoops you ever have is Hagen Daaz!

You owe me a new monitor

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

 

[Gee Wally]

Butch is giving him an opportunity but not a gift. The kids still needs to earn his place:


“In my opinion, [Spooner] is a better centerman than a winger right now. Whether he can sustain that in the long run, time will tell. But he has been a center all his life and I think he would be the first to tell you he enjoys that more than the wing.

“I thought he had good days on the wing, with [David] Krejci. They are both offensive minds. I just think he prefers playing between the dots, having the puck in the neutral zone, being away from the walls, being creative and using his speed.

“We’ve asked him to be a 200-foot player and he is working at it.

“Is he perfect? No. But he’s working at it and that is just part of the responsibility of being a center iceman. You’ve got to be able to go out and play against whoever they throw out there.â€

The 'ask' still hasn't changed IMO.

 

[Greek_physique]

I agree; he is better at center then wing...but like Butch stated, he has a lot to prove.

If he keeps playing like he does; the team will be better. He's lights out on the PP

 

[BNHL]

Wonder who else feels like that.