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Confirmed with Link: Ryan McLeod & Ty Tullio traded to Buffalo for Matthew Savoie

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TheNumber4 said:
Like. And Lol. Oh and you guys should know when I post here I have to give verbal likes cause my takes on the mains are TOO ACCURATE to avoid infraction.
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Well know that we're understandably not all optimistic but a good, passionate smart bunch here. We also take pride in being a welcoming group.
 
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TheNumber4 said:
I like the Bottom 6 makeover. Malenstyn and Lafferty are two high motor players to go along with Mcleod. Don’t know much about Aube-Kubel. Or the Benson and Greenway from last year, but I’ll learn their games soon.

But with those additional motors in the bottom 6, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bottom 6 is like a work rate engine for this team. Once work rate is solved and becomes consistent and non-negotiable, a team can really start to make noise.
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This can get you started on Benson.
 
I dont hate this trade at all. Savoie gave me reasons to be concerned. Sure its not great asset mgmt but HF boards overrates prospects. Hes going to be a solid player, but I dont have him over Quinn, JJP, Kulich, Benson at minimum right now. Kulich atleast has a little size and would be a much better fit on a 3rd line. Savoie to me is Skinner. If hes not in the top 6 and on the PP, you arent getting much from him
 
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threeVo said:
I dont hate this trade at all. Savoie gave me reasons to be concerned. Sure its not great asset mgmt but HF boards overrates prospects. Hes going to be a solid player, but I dont have him over Quinn, JJP, Kulich, Benson at minimum right now. Kulich atleast has a little size and would be a much better fit on a 3rd line. Savoie to me is Skinner. If hes not in the top 6 and on the PP, you arent getting much from him
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Traditionally centers > wingers in terms of value. If Savoie tops out as a 2nd line winger and McLeod as a 3C that's a similar player value IMO. For us it's about possibly getting cheap production while our 3 best players get raises. In Draisaitl and Bouchard's cases, their raises will be massive. McLeod having arbitration rights could've really screwed us if he was awarded big $.
 
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Matt Ress said:
Well know that we're understandably not all optimistic but a good, passionate smart bunch here. We also take pride in being a welcoming group.
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I completely understand lol. And thanks for the welcome.
Willgamesh said:
This can get you started on Benson.
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Pretty sick. Actually did see just a bit of Benson in his time with Savoie. If he's got that kind of skill, its a heck of a lot more than Foegele who was Mcleod's primary running mate. I think if they are on a line together Mcleod's offence could take an uptick.
 
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TheNumber4 said:
Pretty sick. Actually did see just a bit of Benson in his time with Savoie. If he's got that kind of skill, its a heck of a lot more than Foegele who was Mcleod's primary running mate. I think if they are on a line together Mcleod's offence could take an uptick.
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You do need to expose yourself to all the hooliganism that Benson has performed while on NHL rinks:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1781779954713182332
 
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HOOats said:
Definitely an initial shock. But that's part of the fun of it all.

I had warmed up to Nicholas Roy in Vegas as the target, but McLeod is the exact same kind of trade. A young, kinda boring professional Canadian 3C who can snuff out minutes (and get Krebs out of the lineup).

The way I look at it, Adams found a witch that offered a magic potion to make Savoie four years older, five inches taller, a guaranteed C, and sacrifice a bunch of offensive skill/potential for defensive acumen.
:witch:
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I wish the fairy would have given him his tenacity, still concerned about his physical commitment, from most of the posts by Oilers fans that and inconsistency was the reason he was expendable.
Its a gamble to add a guy who has a similar weakness than most of our guys last year on the roster.
I wish they traded for someone who has those attribiutes naturally, one could even say Mitts plays probably a much grittier game with less size.
You can hope Ruff can fire up the whole group.
I guess we will have to see how it all works out.
Overall I still dont mind that Mitts and Savoie got traded just which the pieces added would have been a more clear addition of whats lacking in team identity.
 
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Dreakon13 said:
FWIW, I have a feeling a lot of these moves and the particulars of who they're targeting and how they're retooling the bottom 6 is Lindy's influence.

"We made it this far" also suggests we made it somewhere. I think it's clear that plan, if that was the plan, hasn't been working.

We traded a prospect we have an abundance of for a position of need. That's all there really is to it.
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Not sure Lindy would advocate a guy who is afraid to go to the dirty areas especially a bottom 6 Center.
 
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Sabresfansince1980 said:
No, I don't think Mitts/McLeod are like for like. I just got done saying how much more valuable Mitts is. Why would I think that? I think Mitts was getting the most TOI through last season and that any one of TT/Cozens/Mitts could be slotted anywhere on the depth chart. However it worked out, Mitts and McLeod are different players. Losing him didn't necessitate getting a player similar to him, but Krebs sure as hell wasn't the right guy to get worked in at 3C (which was the only spot he could possibly fill). Knowing that KA would never go big enough to sign/trade for a legit top-six C, the conversation on the boards shifted to who KA can get for 3C/bottom-six C...however you want to phrase it. He was never going to pay for a better player. Saying KA didn't want to invest in a player like Mitts is a poor assumption as well. If he really thought that he's just dumb, because a guy that works the boards, wins puck battles and back checks, and makes all his linemates better with his hands and passing is worth investing in no matter who the GM is. Tell me a Cup winner like Colorado was dumb for wanting to invest in him. KA just thought Byram was the top-4 guy he needed, and that Mitts was worth trading based on two guys he already paid and prospect depth. I don't agree but that was the logic, not that Mitts wasn't worth keeping.

So my argument is that there was depth and flexibility among the C position and the roles among them, and worth having them all at 21 mil for six years. Having that hole on the roster necessitated another move (that had to be filled with a different/lesser player), and ultimately was worth filling for an overpay. That hole wouldn't have been there with Mitts on the roster, but it could have easily been TT or Cozens at 3C if they were all still here. Or, if Ruff insisted on having a traditional top-6/bottom-6 set-up, and/or wanted Mitts up on the top line to demote or buy-out Skinner, there would be a hole that none of TT/Cozens/Mitts could fill. At the least, it would make more sense to still have Mitts in Skinner's spot, JPP down, and no need to sign Zucker, but big decisions weren't made in an order where that would end up the result.
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My last post on this subject because we're both repeating previous discussions.

It's clear that Adams didn’t want to invest in Mitts. He'd been very proactive in extending TT/Cozens as soon as he could, clearly he saw these guys as his long term 1C/2C. Why didn't he take the same approach with Mitts?

That plus the plethora of young 'top six' wingers either on the roster already, or in the pipeline dictated his future. There was no room for him long term in the top six & Adams wanted different type of players to fill out the 'bottom six' of the roster. This isn't an assumption it is a fact.

Mitts isn't useless defensively, but he's not exactly a defensive specialist, not a PK specialist, he's best described imo as a playmaker who is also very slow. He's not the type of player that Adams wanted in his bottom six & you do not pay third line players $7m per even if he was.

If you want to argue for Mitts playing higher in the lineup - with TT/Cozens/Tuch/Peterka/Quinn/Benson already on the roster, plus Kulich/Savoie/Rosen/Ostlund (and now also Helenius) in the system, there is no room for him in the top six either.

You keep bringing up Zucker, but we both know he's very likely a one year placeholder/insurance policy who doesn't fit into the big picture. Sure, Adams could have signed Mitts to a one year extension before needing to trade him at next year's TDL instead, but who knows if his value would be the same? You might think that one year of Mitts over one year of Zucker is worth a lot but i think being proactive, getting a key piece in Byram is worth more. It's also possible that one of the young guys like Kulich or Rosen impress out of camp, which would likely demote Zucker to a lesser role.

I don't think Colorado are dumb trading for / signing Mitts at all. They are clearly a different team, on a different timeline, with a different roster, having different needs.
 
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suddeninterest said:
Oilers fan here, this is a good hockey trade. You guys get a fast, responsible, cost controlled 3C/W who will greatly help your bottom 6 and pk. We get a player who should be able to contribute more offensively over the next 3 seasons on an elc which is exactly what we need during our window. Us re-signing Henrique and having Holloway made MacLeod expendable and you having Benson + drafting Helenius made Savoie expendable. Makes sense for both sides.
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No one seems to remember Savoie was one of the highest upside players in the draft who only went at 9 because of size.
 
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