Nazar would have been my pick after Detroit took Kasper. My dream scenario was walking away with both.
Confirmed with Link: Ryan McLeod & Ty Tullio traded to Buffalo for Matthew Savoie
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What if I told you there was a player in that draft who led his AHL team in goals two years in a row as a teenager while missing weeks each year to lead his non-powerhouse WJC team to silver and bronze medals?
That is kind of normal for a draft that happened just two years ago, no?
Outside of the most high-end prospects, players do not get to the NHL before finishing their junior career, and often they add at least one or two years in the AHL on top of that. These players aren't even old enough to have gotten to the latter part of that yet.
Things don't look much different for the 2021 draft right now, and those players have another year since their draft. Outside the top 10, only Wyatt Johnston and Cole Sillinger have gotten into a significant number of games, and the latter has stagnated since being rushed to the NHL.
2020 has a few more, but if you just look at who got to play in their first two seasons after the draft, it's still just five players outside the top 10 with any noteworthy amount of NHL-games: Jarvis, Lundell (late 2001), Schneider (late 2001), Mercer (late 2001), Chinakov (overager). In comparison, the 2022 draft did have four late 2003s in the 1st round outside the top ten, but the earliest pick of those was Nathan Gaucher at 22, while all the players from the 2020 draft mentioned above came between 10 and 20. If you just look at the 2002 and 2004s respectively, the outcome is basically identical.
2019 only had Tobias Bjornfot play quite a lot before this third post-draft season.
Exactly. Saying that somehow the 8OA was great or was a swing and a miss when it’s still a whole lot of nothing. We don’t know. There is no indictment of management for taking a player who was rated where he was at the position that he was taken, and then finding that they could use that player to approve in another area.
Never reference the 2021 draft as some benchmark. It was messed up dur to Covid limited play
Just to warn you all, Matt's on a run (12 points in 6 games, 10 in 4) and tearing it up for Bakersfield.
I'm sure that will make everyone unhappy with this trade rage for a while but I'm happy for Matt - haven't followed someone like that in junior in years, hard to cut the strings.
I'm sure that will make everyone unhappy with this trade rage for a while but I'm happy for Matt - haven't followed someone like that in junior in years, hard to cut the strings.
Good for him. He’s certainly had a bumpy ride or sorts the last few years.
McLeod has definitely cooled off after a bright start, now he plays like a 4C, although I liked the Zucker - McLeod - Greenway line, it's a shame Jordan suffers from injuries.
The best part about sucking for so long is I can careless about winning or losing trades. That's the low hanging fruit.
could not find a player discussion thread for McLeod so placing this here
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McLeod is very good, a great 3C who, if injured, could move up to the top 6 and not spoil it.
McLeod is a nice player but Adams should have been using Savoie to get a top 4 defender. We could have gotten Chychrun who looks to be passed his injury history.
This team is 3rd last shows McLeod is not an impact player. We are worse this year. Good player but bad trade by Adams.
People will want to defend McLeod and disagree but my post isn't that McLoed is a bad player but the asset should have been used differently.
I'll argue with you because Adams could have gotten the top 4 D we needed without giving up Savoie. Adams is an idiot, I don't argue with that, but McLeod is a really useful player for us.
So useful we are 3rd last? Worse than last year? When you make trades to improve the roster you want to improve in the standings too especially when its blue chip prospects.
Arizona wanted Savioe+ for Chychrun and Adams said no. He also wouldn't be standing around like Samuelsson when a scrum breaks out.
If we spend our assets on players like McLeod and still come last what good are those players if we continue to miss the playoffs? You are right Adams ignored a position off need that could have been filled with other assets but my belief is you build from the back end first. Thats why I don't like the trade.
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By your logic, both Dahlin and Tage are useless players since we are third from the bottom. So maybe the problem is not in the players or at least not in all the players? McLeod is really useful, but it is not his fault that our GM does not understand how to properly build a roster and hire the right coaches. You are not objective.
So we can't look at a trade under a microscope without dragging others into it? Dahlin wasn't traded for and Adams didn't trade for Tage. And yes the ROR trade was awful too. Buffalo got lucky with Tage but look at that trade? It set the franchise back years.
We are talking about this trade and improving the team.
If we trade for Pettersson waste a bunch of assets and still miss the playoffs was that a good trade? For me, no.
If we trade Dahlin away for good players but are worse how is that a good trade?
Tuch is a good player does that make the Eichel trade a good trade? Just because you get good players back in a trade doesn't necessarily mean its a good trade.
I expect a GM to make trades to improve in the standings not just grab at pieces.
Adams even says, when I make trades I make them based on improving the team. Does that mean he has been successful? For me, no.
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Because you have to judge a player on how he plays, not on why we didn't make the playoffs. McLeod was a good addition, but Adams also didn't add a top 4 RD or a top 6 F, and that was the bare minimum he had to add. He relied too much on kids, brought in the unnecessary Appert to the staff, hold on to Wilford and Ellis. What does Ryan McLeod, who mostly played well, have to do with this?
You brought up Tage Thompson and yes, that ROR trade was just awful. It set the franchise back years. You trade a guy like ROR in his prime who goes on to win the cup and become MVP of the playoffs you don't trade for a 1st round prospect and scrubs. It was an awful trade.
And? I don't think I was arguing with that, but Tage played well, did Cozens play well, or Quinn play well, or maybe our defense, PK and PP? You have to consider every aspect, it doesn't work as a good mechanism for us.
You brought up Tage Thompson, its a great example of getting a good player but it being an awful trade. That trade probably kicked off the end of Reinhart and Eichel but now you don't want to talk about that trade? ROR should have brought us back a top 4 defender and a top 6 player instead we got scrubs.
I picked up Thompson as a player, not the ROR trade, is Thompson playing bad for us? I don't think so. Was ROR trade bad when Botterill did it for us? Yeah. Do you even know what I'm talking about? McLeod played good for us, that's all, and I think it was a good trade. It's not like Adams did everything else well, not long before he traded our 60-point center for D we didn't really need.
I literally said in my post McLeod is a good player but it was a bad trade yet you want to argue with me like I said McLeod was a bad player.
Also you say we don't need Chychrun but the trade would have happened 3 years ago. To say we don't need a top 4 defender who is physical and will stand up for teammates is weird but maybe you didn't know the trade was offered 3 years ago. Go look at the roster in 22-23. The defense was awful. We had Stillman, Fitzgerald, Lyubushkin, Joker, Clague, Pilut. Two of those were playing in the top 4 with Power and Dahlin. Defense is exactly what this team needed and still needs.
Also Chychrun had 6 years of NHL hockey under his belt. He could have helped mentor Power and Dahlin. I am not saying Chychrun is the answer but Adams should have been focused on defense in the off season and not the bottom 6.
I guess we can agree to disagree on this.
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