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Player Discussion Ryan McDonagh

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Mac n Gs said:
It's Staal as his partner. They're just never in sync on the ice, make poor reads together, and the opposition always takes advantage of it. He's been very good when paired with McDonagh or Yandle.
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this... I'm not sure why we keep going back to Staal-Klein...

So far, Girardi, Klein, McDonagh, and Yandle have all been able to play with different partners and have almost no problems...

Boyle (to a slight degree) has been OK, but he's only really capable of playing with Staal.

Staal on the other hand, has shown horrendous play with every partner he's had. Boyle, Girardi, and Klein--Staal has neutralized ALL of them...

Girardi needs to stay on the 2nd paid, and McDonagh needs to have Klein back up with him.

McDonagh-Klein
Yandle-Girardi
Staal-Boyle

If you're going to play a shutdown pairing like Staal-Klein, you are better off playing Staal-Girardi, this way you can still run McDonagh-Klein and Yandle-Boyle when the bench needs to be shortened or you need a burst of offense.
 
McD isn't back yet, but hes getting there...id say his neutral zone and offensive zone play has really picked up...his defensive zone play has been up and down.... when McD was at his best, he was a very good offensive defenseman, and an elite defensive defenseman.
 
Mac n Gs said:
It's Staal as his partner. They're just never in sync on the ice, make poor reads together, and the opposition always takes advantage of it. He's been very good when paired with McDonagh or Yandle.
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I kind of agree that Klein hasn't played well lately. Made a lot of dumb decisions with the puck, that were his own fault, in the last few games. Don't get me wrong Staal is undoubtedly the problem on that pair but Klein is not playing well in his own right.
 
Inferno said:
McD isn't back yet, but hes getting there...id say his neutral zone and offensive zone play has really picked up...his defensive zone play has been up and down.... when McD was at his best, he was a very good offensive defenseman, and an elite defensive defenseman.
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Agreed on all counts.

And if he's trending back there right now, that's only good news for the Rangers.
 
I think McDonagh was always a better 1 on 1 defenseman than positional defenseman in the defensive zone, especially in front of the net, but sure he could do better
 
I am probably gonna hear it from all of you, but - Ryan McDonugh should NOT be capt !

This is not my first rant on Ryan McDonagh, but my first here. I watch every game either at MSG or on TV and I am constantly frustrated by our captain. I love the Rangers, I like the kid and on top of that he is Irish and I am also, so i like that too, but I have had it with our capt. Lets look at facts. He had one point in first 12 games. He stats suck ! He constantly makes bad passes, loses puck and turns it over at worst possible times. He is not an enforcer type. He is worse than Stall, Yandle, Boyle and Girardi for sure, so maybe he is 5th in defensive talent on team. I might even say Klein plays better defense. He contributes very little offense and when he does he can't hit the broad side of a barn with his slapshot. He has zero presence on ice and does not look like a leader out there. In my opinion he does not deserve to be our captain and never did. It was a hasty decision at the time and a slap in the face to much more deserving players. I know a void was left when Callahan was traded to Lightning, but we had the rest of the season with no capt to make a good choice and this is what we decided ? He never even wore the "A", WTF ? He is not what I call a veteran at 5 years in the league. We as a team are playing great, but need a real leader to close the deal. We need a capt who is respected by the players for his talent and hockey experience. We need a capt who is respected by other teams as well. McDonagh is a replacement at best and was a bad decision. A capt should be one of the best if not the best most experienced players on the team. He is far from it. Tell me why I am wrong ?
 
I14Green said:
This is not my first rant on Ryan McDonagh, but my first here. I watch every game either at MSG or on TV and I am constantly frustrated by our captain. I love the Rangers, I like the kid and on top of that he is Irish and I am also, so i like that too, but I have had it with our capt. Lets look at facts. He had one point in first 12 games. He stats suck ! He constantly makes bad passes, loses puck and turns it over at worst possible times. He is not an enforcer type. He is worse than Stall, Yandle, Boyle and Girardi for sure, so maybe he is 5th in defensive talent on team. I might even say Klein plays better defense. He contributes very little offense and when he does he can't hit the broad side of a barn with his slapshot. He has zero presence on ice and does not look like a leader out there. In my opinion he does not deserve to be our captain and never did. It was a hasty decision at the time and a slap in the face to much more deserving players. I know a void was left when Callahan was traded to Lightning, but we had the rest of the season with no capt to make a good choice and this is what we decided ? He never even wore the "A", WTF ? He is not what I call a veteran at 5 years in the league. We as a team are playing great, but need a real leader to close the deal. We need a capt who is respected by the players for his talent and hockey experience. We need a capt who is respected by other teams as well. McDonagh is a replacement at best and was a bad decision. A capt should be one of the best if not the best most experienced players on the team. He is far from it. Tell me why I am wrong ?
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Thanks for the laugh.... I'm going back to work
 
I14Green said:
This is not my first rant on Ryan McDonagh, but my first here. I watch every game either at MSG or on TV and I am constantly frustrated by our captain. I love the Rangers, I like the kid and on top of that he is Irish and I am also, so i like that too, but I have had it with our capt. Lets look at facts. He had one point in first 12 games. He stats suck ! He constantly makes bad passes, loses puck and turns it over at worst possible times. He is not an enforcer type. He is worse than Stall, Yandle, Boyle and Girardi for sure, so maybe he is 5th in defensive talent on team. I might even say Klein plays better defense. He contributes very little offense and when he does he can't hit the broad side of a barn with his slapshot. He has zero presence on ice and does not look like a leader out there. In my opinion he does not deserve to be our captain and never did. It was a hasty decision at the time and a slap in the face to much more deserving players. I know a void was left when Callahan was traded to Lightning, but we had the rest of the season with no capt to make a good choice and this is what we decided ? He never even wore the "A", WTF ? He is not what I call a veteran at 5 years in the league. We as a team are playing great, but need a real leader to close the deal. We need a capt who is respected by the players for his talent and hockey experience. We need a capt who is respected by other teams as well. McDonagh is a replacement at best and was a bad decision. A capt should be one of the best if not the best most experienced players on the team. He is far from it. Tell me why I am wrong ?
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Who else on this team fills any of your criteria moreso than McDonagh? Who else would you give the "C" to? Girardi? Stop. Staal? Stop. There's not one guy amongst the forwards who deserves it other than Zuke but than you'd just complain that he's too small and not an "enforcer" type.

The captaincy is overrated in this league anyway.
 
StaalWars said:
Who else on this team fills any of your criteria moreso than McDonagh? Who else would you give the "C" to? Girardi? Stop. Staal? Stop. There's not one guy amongst the forwards who deserves it other than Zuke but than you'd just complain that he's too small and not an "enforcer" type.

The captaincy is overrated in this league anyway.
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So cause there is no other viable options in your eyes he deserves it ?

Zuc is my favorite player on team and no capt does not need to be an enforcer. I would much rather see Zucs yes. How about Rick Nash a veteran of league and 40 + goal scorer last year ?

Tell me why McDonagh deserves to be capt ?

He was given the position by default basically.

Not one person has given a viable reason.

He used to be one of the best defenseman, since he got "C" he has fallen off.
 
I14Green said:
So cause there is no other viable options in your eyes he deserves it ?

Zuc is my favorite player on team and no capt does not need to be an enforcer. I would much rather see Zucs yes. How about Rick Nash a veteran of league and 40 + goal scorer last year ?

Tell me why McDonagh deserves to be capt ?

He was given the position by default basically.

Not one person has given a viable reason.

He used to be one of the best defenseman, since he got "C" he has fallen off.
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Usually, if there's no other viable option, you go with the best option you have. So, yes, he does deserve to be captain. The fact that your next alternative is Rick Nash really just destroys your entire position. There might be an armed mutiny at MSG if Rick Nash was ever named captain.
 
McD really wants to win. I like to see that showing itself more and more but I am a little worried about his temper. I think removing the captainship from him would hurt him a lot. I'm not in favor of that at all.
 
StaalWars said:
Usually, if there's no other viable option, you go with the best option you have. So, yes, he does deserve to be captain. The fact that your next alternative is Rick Nash really just destroys your entire position. There might be an armed mutiny at MSG if Rick Nash was ever named captain.
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Mutiny, save me the drama please

I am not the only one who has felt like this

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/07/17/rick-nash-new-york-rangers-captain/

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/09/22/who-deserves-to-be-the-next-new-york-rangers-captain/
 
Just to clarify. I am not saying or never said I think removing him as captain is right decision. I just think it was bad decision and has not turned out well. He was better player without the "C" and would be same player either way.
 
Stepan might've been a better choice, actually.

Absolutely not to Nash. Doesn't get it done in the playoffs.

Zucc didn't have a good enough reputation yet.

Girardi and Staal are options, but you'd rather give the captaincy to someone in their early 20's who could be captain for 10+ years instead of 5 or 6 years.
 
I thought besides McD the best choice had he been here a year or so longer would have been kreider. The kid is a terrific player, clutch playoff performer,protects his teammates and is a leader his teammates look up to. If the decision was right now Kreids would be the best choice and in addition maybe that gets him a little respect from these refs who seem to target him for any kind of hit where the other player goes down.
 
If I had a choice for Captain outside of MacTruck, it's Stepan. He's very engaged with his teammates and the game. Great off-ice personality too. His attitude, at least for me, is infectious.

However, that being said, I think McD is fine as Captain. He's also picked up his play a lot recently, aside from the mishap that both he and Step had last night on the SHG, which I don't think happens 9/10 times.
 
I14Green said:
So cause there is no other viable options in your eyes he deserves it ?

Zuc is my favorite player on team and no capt does not need to be an enforcer. I would much rather see Zucs yes. How about Rick Nash a veteran of league and 40 + goal scorer last year ?

Tell me why McDonagh deserves to be capt ?

He was given the position by default basically.

Not one person has given a viable reason.

He used to be one of the best defenseman, since he got "C" he has fallen off.
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The reason is because the team and/or coach felt he deserved it. That's as legitimate as it gets.

And there is absolutely no definition or metric by which he is the 5th best d man on this team.
 
McDonagh wears the "C" on his sweater, but we all know that Hank is the captain in that locker room.

He's also been fantastic after a rough start, which has been a godsend for our d-core.
 
I14Green said:
Mutiny, save me the drama please

I am not the only one who has felt like this

http://bluelinestation.com/2014/07/17/rick-nash-new-york-rangers-captain/

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/09/22/who-deserves-to-be-the-next-new-york-rangers-captain/
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Save you the drama? You're proposing taking the "C" away from the best defenseman on a team that's 14-3 and second in the NHL right now because they lost their first game in ten games last night. That's basically the definition of drama. Not only that, but your solution to the god-awful disaster of a captain that we have in Ryan McDonagh is to give the "C" to... wait for it... Rick Nash. Come on man.
 
StaalWars said:
Save you the drama? You're proposing taking the "C" away from the best defenseman on a team that's 14-3 and second in the NHL right now because they lost their first game in ten games last night. That's basically the definition of drama. Not only that, but your solution to the god-awful disaster of a captain that we have in Ryan McDonagh is to give the "C" to... wait for it... Rick Nash. Come on man.
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There's no way the coach and team can possibily have better insight into who is a good leader than random posters on hf and bloggers. I mean, come on, you can't just make a blog out of nowhere.
 
StaalWars said:
Save you the drama? You're proposing taking the "C" away from the best defenseman on a team that's 14-3 and second in the NHL right now because they lost their first game in ten games last night. That's basically the definition of drama. Not only that, but your solution to the god-awful disaster of a captain that we have in Ryan McDonagh is to give the "C" to... wait for it... Rick Nash. Come on man.
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Those articles are very old.

McDonagh has not been as good since getting the C though. Coincidence or not.
 
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