Prospect Info: Ryan Johnson, D, 2019 #31 overall: Signed, Rochester (AHL), Recalled 12/5/24

[Reddawg]

I just wish someone would be honest in this situation.

Adams - The talks were really positive. So positive he doesn't sign?


He isn't playing tonight so the odds are he is walking.

There has to be some amount of active negotiation going on for the story to be presented this way by the team. RyJo obviously wants something that he's not getting, or at least hasn't gotten yet. The negotiation with Levi was comparatively very simple...back up the truck and give him everything he could possibly want, because we have to have him in our jersey. Max bonus, max salary, burn the first year right away, lets do this. RyJo isn't that level of player, but he and his agent have a degree of leverage that they're obviously trying to maximize. Whether they're successful or not will determine if he signs here, although we're the only team that can give him the big ticket item which is burning an ELC year right away.

I can't see any way he could step into a game tonight (8 hours from now) unless he's physically in Columbus already.

 

[ClassicBusiness]

Four years of exclusive player rights, same as for everyone else that the NHL has a transfer agreement. The only place it is 2 years is the CHL. Russia has no transfer agreement so there is no expiration of drafted player rights.

Rules was probably a bad word to use - I'll just say it's annoying drafting a player to not sign/play for your team.. Ace summed it up better above

 

[toddkaz]

Rules was probably a bad word to use - I'll just say it's annoying drafting a player to not sign/play for your team.. Ace summed it up better above

The NCAA is much more deeply flawed then just NHL team rights to players. The whole amateurs can't make money system needs an overhaul.

 

[old kummelweck]

I just wish someone would be honest in this situation.

Honest with who? The fans? That doesn't really factor in. From a timing perspective, nothing changes for the Sabres.

 

[Jim Bob]

The NCAA is much more deeply flawed then just NHL team rights to players. The whole amateurs can't make money system needs an overhaul.

Welcome to the NIL era.

You have college athletes making millions now.

But, I doubt you ever see the NCAA changing their stance on guys losing their college eligbility as soon as they sign a pro contract. That is a rule across all sports and does not just apply to hockey.

 

[Chainshot]

Rules was probably a bad word to use - I'll just say it's annoying drafting a player to not sign/play for your team.. Ace summed it up better above

Sadly, it's baked into the corrupt cash cow that is the NCAA.

 

[toddkaz]

Welcome to the NIL era.

You have college athletes making millions now.

But, I doubt you ever see the NCAA changing their stance on guys losing their college eligbility as soon as they sign a pro contract. That is a rule across all sports and does not just apply to hockey.

NIL just adding more corruption to the already corrupt system. As long as it doesn't take money from the NCAA its deemed acceptable but the lesser known athletes? Left out in the cold.

 

[Reddawg]

Welcome to the NIL era.

You have college athletes making millions now.

But, I doubt you ever see the NCAA changing their stance on guys losing their college eligbility as soon as they sign a pro contract. That is a rule across all sports and does not just apply to hockey.

I wonder if any college hockey players are actually making meaningful money on NIL rights. I would expect not, unless you're a god-tier superstar for a Boston or Minnesota team.

 

[Jim Bob]

I wonder if any college hockey players are actually making meaningful money on NIL rights. I would expect not, unless you're a god-tier superstar for a Boston or Minnesota team.

The NIL money in college hockey is more social media driven as opposed to talent driven like in high profile sports like football and basketball.

Top 10 NIL Earners Include Bryce Young, Olivia Dunne And Three High School Ballers Making Absurd Money

The NIL world is still brand new, but the top ten earners are making major bank and the list may surprise you

www.outkick.com

The value of a given athlete is constantly shifting based on various situations.

6. Olivia Dunne, LSU gymnastics: $2.7 million

OutKick fan favorite Olivia Dunne has taken a much different path to obtain NIL success. The LSU gymnast — who is the most followed college athlete on social media with a combined 9.3 million followers — has leveraged her brand to amass a fortune. Dunne’s most recent accomplishment just happened on Dec. 22, when she inked a historic partnership with Leaf Trading Cards in what the company says is the “first gymnastics NIL trading card the world has ever seen.” Dunne has played the game perfectly and it will be no shock to see her stock continue to rise.

NIL just adding more corruption to the already corrupt system. As long as it doesn't take money from the NCAA its deemed acceptable but the lesser known athletes? Left out in the cold.

NIL is working like the pros. Stars get paid and depth players get a lot less.

 

[debaser66]

please issue a trigger warning this is a safe space

 

[toddkaz]

The NIL money in college hockey is more social media driven as opposed to talent driven like in high profile sports like football and basketball.

Top 10 NIL Earners Include Bryce Young, Olivia Dunne And Three High School Ballers Making Absurd Money

The NIL world is still brand new, but the top ten earners are making major bank and the list may surprise you

www.outkick.com

NIL is working like the pros. Stars get paid and depth players get a lot less.

Not really because the depth players more than likely get ZERO. Which is nothing like the pros.

 

[Jim Bob]

Not really because the depth players more than likely get ZERO. Which is nothing like the pros.

The minimum salary for many D1 athletes is their athletic scholarship money.

You can get a full ride by being a back up long snapper at some schools.

That is not nothing.

 

[toddkaz]

Can someone explain how signing this year and playing a game would get Johnson to RFA quicker?

If he waits until summer he is 22 and only has to sign a 2 year ELC? Which would be the same as burning a year?

 

[Chainshot]

And while I want to push blame onto Brisson as his agent due to Portillo and Eichel, he also reps guys like Owen Power, Mattias Samuelsson and Kyle Okposo. He's not necessarily the issue as much as I would love for their to be an easy villain.

 

[brian_griffin]

Can someone explain how signing this year and playing a game would get Johnson to free agency quicker?

If he waits until summer he is 22 and only has to sign a 2 year ELC?

In the NHL, your age for CBA reasons is your age on Sept 15th of the year you sign the contract, regardless of your actual age when you sign the contract.

So if he signed "yesterday" and played "today", he is still a 22yo for purposes of contract even though he is 21yo, but by playing 1 game, (and because he is over the ages of 18 & 19 which require >10 games to count as a professional season), that 1 game would count as a professional season. That's the "burning a year" phrase that's used.

Summary:
If he signed already and played 1 game, ELC expires 2024 offseason.
Sign anytime between now and the end of 2023, ELC expires 2025 offseason.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Sadly, it's baked into the corrupt cash cow that is the NCAA.

More like college in general.

 

[Reddawg]

More like college in general.

So much truth. Harvard's endowment is something like $51B...if they were a country they'd be somewhere between Tunisia and Jordan (not Michael) in GDP per year.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

And while I want to push blame onto Brisson as his agent due to Portillo and Eichel, he also reps guys like Owen Power, Mattias Samuelsson and Kyle Okposo. He's not necessarily the issue as much as I would love for their to be an easy villain.

That's what's confused me about people wanting to point the finger at Brisson. He worked with the team to extend Samuelsson, and with the Power ELC without issue. I'd even say he helped in moving along the Eichel trade.

He's going to advise his clients based on what they want, not what he wants. I think if he was willingly screwing over certain teams even to the detriment of his clients, he wouldn't have the client list he has.

 

[OkimLom]

Does Brisson count?

To me, honestly, no. I know he's Johnson's agent, but I'm not accepting anybody's opinion, or status, until Johnson or the Sabres themselves confirm it, whether he signs or not. Even if Brisson, a man in the "sales" industry where his job is to pump up his client's value and can use the outlets as a too to do so, is right with his information, I'm still going to wait until we get the confirmation from either direct party. I don't care who gets it first, I care who gets it right.

 

[HaNotsri]

So we can trade him before the 15th of august and the receiver will get the compensation for him, right?

 

[brian_griffin]

For the pictorially interested

And while I want to push blame onto Brisson as his agent due to Portillo and Eichel, he also reps guys like Owen Power, Mattias Samuelsson and Kyle Okposo. He's not necessarily the issue as much as I would love for their to be an easy villain.

Villains: Snidely Whiplash, Boris Badenov, Natasha Fatale, Nicholas Lowry from Antique Roadshow who looks like Snidely Whiplash

More like college in general.

 

[dotcommunism]

Why it's the same for every draftee except Russians. No one is forced to sign with the team that drafts them, the NCAA is the only one that gives a compensatory pick for 1rd.

A team can get draft compensation for any unsigned first round pick. The only real exception is if the team lets the player's rights expire after one year by not tendering a bona fide offer, which is a rule that mostly only applies to players out of juniors.

I have to think if he's not signed today he goes UFA right? He'd have to sign this afternoon AND pass a physical to play in Columbus tonight right?

Even if the they opt the ATO route, he'd have to get to Rochester for the Cleveland games this weekend.

If he were to sign an ATO with Rochester, he could join them at any point really, even during the playoffs.

 

[RefsIdeas]

If you piece together everything that Dreger & Co have said, the situation reads something like this to me:

The Sabres would like Johnson, but aren't going to move worlds to get the signing done. They probably aren't going to offer him max ELC bonuses/dollars, and probably didn't want to burn that year early. They offered him an ATO in Rochester with average contract numbers because they don't really care either way. Either go into the best possible situation for the Sabres, or walk. He simply isn't good enough to dictate otherwise.

 

[Chainshot]

That's what's confused me about people wanting to point the finger at Brisson. He worked with the team to extend Samuelsson, and with the Power ELC without issue. I'd even say he helped in moving along the Eichel trade.

He's going to advise his clients based on what they want, not what he wants. I think if he was willingly screwing over certain teams even to the detriment of his clients, he wouldn't have the client list he has.

He also was Okposo's rep when he signed in Buffalo as a UFA. There is no clear path to him being the bad guy in this.

 

[Ehran]

Should we change this thread's title to: "2024 2nd Round Pick #65 Overall (formerly Ryan Johnson)" ?

Seems inevitable at this point.