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Prospect Info: Ryan Johnson, D, 2019 #31 overall: Signed, Rochester (AHL), Recalled 12/5/24

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Gabrielor said:
I'd be willing to bet the hang up is ATO with Roch vs Buf right away.

They can't promise him games right now mid race like Levi.
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That's my expectation of this as well. Stylistically, there isn't an easy swap to be made since Stillman and Lyubushkin have pushed Bryson and Clague to the press box. Johnson isn't going to provide the bite they want from those guys. Similarly, Jokiharju is getting over 22 minutes a night in all but one game in the last 7 and seven of the last 9 - the staff isn't going to pull him out to put Johnson in.
 
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Chainshot said:
It's the same comment that was made last year though by such journalistic luminaries as PHam. It's not new nor do I give someone like him the least bit of credence to be in cahoots with the Sabres regarding something like this. He's flapping his lips because he doesn't have anything else to fill his segment.

Dreger, the Lorax of player agents, let it be known Johnson would sign, a signal from Johnson's reps of his intentions. What remains to be ironed out is if they are starting the deal this year in Buffalo or with an ATO to the Amerks and starting it in the following season.
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"Journalistic luminaires" :thumbu:
 
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Gabrielor said:
I'd be willing to bet the hang up is ATO with Roch vs Buf right away.

They can't promise him games right now mid race like Levi.
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And hopefully not getting that pro opportunity this year won't sour him on signing.

Does anybody know if an AHL ATO binds him to the Sabres and takes away his UFA option?
 
old kummelweck said:
Does anybody know if an AHL ATO binds him to the Sabres and takes away his UFA option?
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@dotcommunism Will know for sure, but I'm pretty sure the ATO would NOT bind him to Buffalo......but usually ATOs are signed at the same time as the ELC would be. In this case, RJ would sign an ELC that would start for the 23/24 season and concurrently sign an ATO for Rochester for the rest of the season.
 
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If the start in the NHL vs. AHL ATO is the hitch, linked likely to them being still alive as a playoff team... an "if we lose and don't make it, you get in and if we don't, the option is the AHL" offer from Buffalo could be part of the wait.
 
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old kummelweck said:
And hopefully not getting that pro opportunity this year won't sour him on signing.
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If being in a down-to-the-wire playoff race sours him on signing, he's not the kind of player we want and we're better off with the comp pick.

Chainshot said:
If the start in the NHL vs. AHL ATO is the hitch, linked likely to them being still alive as a playoff team... an "if we lose and don't make it, you get in and if we don't, the option is the AHL" offer from Buffalo could be part of the wait.
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This is the most logical interpretation, imo.
 
Chainshot said:
If the start in the NHL vs. AHL ATO is the hitch, linked likely to them being still alive as a playoff team... an "if we lose and don't make it, you get in and if we don't, the option is the AHL" offer from Buffalo could be part of the wait.
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After last off season it feels like the hesitation is from Johnson's side not the sabres unless they changed their stance.
 
This is a major hypothetical but if we somehow made the playoffs could we sign him and use him as needed in the playoffs without burning a year? Or would the year be burned if he played one playoff game.
 
toddkaz said:
The guys post is a bit of fear mongering. The ELC doesn't go day by day. Johnson just needs to get into one game. It would be nice for us fans to have a little more insight but it is what it is.
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That is not out of character for Jame. But, I do not believe you have been around long enough to remember when he was a frequent poster here.
 
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Jim Bob said:
That is not out of character for Jame. But, I do not believe you have been around long enough to remember when he was a frequent poster here.
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No I don't know him and I get his point especially if you look at Knies who signed I think the next day and each day that goes by it will seem less likely because thats how it usually plays out in these situations but Chad D isn't completely in the dark and has a point. I don't know if Chad D has connections but he is more in the know than most of us.
 
Jim Bob said:
That is not out of character for Jame. But, I do not believe you have been around long enough to remember when he was a frequent poster here.
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LoL he hasn't changed one bit



Also, demonstratively untrue re:cost.

EDIT: oh, he may mean salary. yeah that's true, from his first sentence I thought he was referring to acquisition costs.
 
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toddkaz said:
The guys post is a bit of fear mongering. The ELC doesn't go day by day. Johnson just needs to get into one game. It would be nice for us fans to have a little more insight but it is what it is.
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I think he has a different meaning behind it. If you assume they would not simply throw him into a game without the benefit of at least a team skate then each day does make it much less likely to burn a year of the ELC.

I don't know what the Sabres non-game schedule is like the rest of this week. With back to back games there may not even be a game day skate. And it's highly likely that Weds is a day off for the players.

But if his assumption is that they wouldn't be able to play him without at least one day on the ice with coaching of some sort, his point makes sense and isn't necessarily fear mongering. Not sure I agree with him, though.

We'll see.
 
allsilverdreams said:
Sign him dress 7 D problem solved.
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I actually thought about that...
debaser66 said:
it still puts a strain on the team; they need every body to be as rested as possible with 4 in 5.
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I'm thinking BUF is strongly pushing the sign and take ROC ATO for playoffs route. Nothing really prevents BUF from signing him and playing him vs. Columbus whether or not the Sabres are eliminated. If BUF - after all they've done the past couple weeks with their proverbial playoff lives on the line still can't beat CBJ playing Johnson ~6 minutes then I'm not sure they'd deserve it.
 
Zman5778 said:
@dotcommunism Will know for sure, but I'm pretty sure the ATO would NOT bind him to Buffalo......but usually ATOs are signed at the same time as the ELC would be. In this case, RJ would sign an ELC that would start for the 23/24 season and concurrently sign an ATO for Rochester for the rest of the season.
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I don't think I've ever seen a player (whose NHL rights are held by a team) who's planning to go the free agent route sign an ATO. It wouldn't make sense to do so, since if you want to become a free agent you don't want to risk injury playing in games without making sure you've got your ELC.

It is not unprecedented, though, for a player who's clearly going to get an ELC signing an ATO without signing his ELC at the same time. When McAvoy signed with Boston, prior to signing his ELC, he signed an ATO and played a few games in Providence, then signed his ELC and joined Boston for the playoffs. Along the same lines, Erik Portillo just signed an ATO with the Kings' AHL affiliate, but has yet to sign an ELC, which makes me wonder if the Kings want him to get into a few AHL games down the stretch before signing him to an ELC so he can be a depth option during the playoffs.

Anyway, I don't really see any reason that Johnson would be an edge case like that. If he signs an ATO with Rochester, it'll be alongside his ELC that starts next season.
 
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