joshjull
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Faber and Lacombe are both returning to Minny for next season.
Prospect Info: Ryan Johnson, D, 2019 #31 overall: Signed, Rochester (AHL), Recalled 12/5/24
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joshjull
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I’m surprised it took this long after Faber and Lacombe decided to go back on 4/11 and 4/16 respectively.
EDIT: Interesting that he‘s still just “leaning” that way. These are really tough decisions. Another year on one of the best college hockey teams shooting for a NCAA title -VS- getting your pro career started but grinding it out in the AHL.
I’d probably pick college hockey and the likely season Minny will have over starting the pro hockey grind.
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EichHart
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We should be drafting more CHL/International players until they fix the leave after 4 yrs loop hole.
joshjull
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There is no perfect solution. Junior players have to show they‘re worth a contract in 2years. Sometimes they’re not quite there and a team decides not to sign them. Which can lead to players slipping through the cracks like Hagel.
So in theory we should draft 100% russian since their rights are indefinite.
Ok ok. So CHL players are out. As players like Hagel slip though.
Hmmm. NCAA are out as they can eventually walk.
Russians may never come.
Well. We need to draft exclusively euro-league players then!!!
dotcommunism
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It's not a loophole. It's a conscious decision that's been made, and retained across multiple CBAs.
joshjull
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I've never done one of those vBet things on here but if someone wants to bet Johnson is leaving I'll take that action.
Adams beyond what is quoted in the tweets made it sound like they know and like the coaching staff in Minny and are good with him developing there, and if they didn't think it was a good place for him they'd probably push harder.
He can still go pro at the end of next college season and get paid and burn a year of his CBA. Can't do that if he waits for free agency.
Adams beyond what is quoted in the tweets made it sound like they know and like the coaching staff in Minny and are good with him developing there, and if they didn't think it was a good place for him they'd probably push harder.
He can still go pro at the end of next college season and get paid and burn a year of his CBA. Can't do that if he waits for free agency.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Like Owen Power and Mattias Samuelsson?
As I said a few weeks ago, I think the real question is: is he set on going back period, regardless of what team had or could trade for his rights? Or is he set on going back primarily because of the Sabres depth at LD?
I think, depending on who is his agent is and presuming that Adams has a good relationship with his agent/agency (there's always mutual benefit for agents to have good relationships with GMs from all teams), that hopefully Adams could get a truthful, candid answer to that question. Same way that Winnipeg got with Nathan Smith this year, and Minny got with Jack McBain, which allowed each of those teams to trade those prospects at the trade deadline.
If Adams can at least get indication that Johnson would be willing to sign now with one or more other teams, he could explore trading his rights at/before the draft. If we cannot get a straight answer on Johnson's intentions or interest in signing with the Sabres after this season, the Sabres should trade him at the draft.
Separately: I wonder from the player's perspective in the case of Johnson or guys in a similar position (like Lacombe and Faber) if part of the reason they want to go back to school is if they actually feel like spending another year in the NCAA may obviate the need for them to have AHL seasoning. It is a lot easier to make the jump directly from college to the NHL and bypass the AHL if you're another year older/more mature and have another year of high level college play under your belt. I don't think this will be the case with most players, but you can definitely see that the more talented/high end prospects may not need the kind of AHL seasoning if they play 3 or 4 years vs. if they played 1 or 2. So they get the benefit of extra development time while staying in school, and also retain that UFA option should they choose to pursue it. It's a smart strategy for the player, it just sucks for the team that drafted them if they don't end up signing.
I think, depending on who is his agent is and presuming that Adams has a good relationship with his agent/agency (there's always mutual benefit for agents to have good relationships with GMs from all teams), that hopefully Adams could get a truthful, candid answer to that question. Same way that Winnipeg got with Nathan Smith this year, and Minny got with Jack McBain, which allowed each of those teams to trade those prospects at the trade deadline.
If Adams can at least get indication that Johnson would be willing to sign now with one or more other teams, he could explore trading his rights at/before the draft. If we cannot get a straight answer on Johnson's intentions or interest in signing with the Sabres after this season, the Sabres should trade him at the draft.
Separately: I wonder from the player's perspective in the case of Johnson or guys in a similar position (like Lacombe and Faber) if part of the reason they want to go back to school is if they actually feel like spending another year in the NCAA may obviate the need for them to have AHL seasoning. It is a lot easier to make the jump directly from college to the NHL and bypass the AHL if you're another year older/more mature and have another year of high level college play under your belt. I don't think this will be the case with most players, but you can definitely see that the more talented/high end prospects may not need the kind of AHL seasoning if they play 3 or 4 years vs. if they played 1 or 2. So they get the benefit of extra development time while staying in school, and also retain that UFA option should they choose to pursue it. It's a smart strategy for the player, it just sucks for the team that drafted them if they don't end up signing.
Paxon
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Why? We will get a 2nd automatically if he signs elsewhere. Granted, a very low 2nd, but the difference is hardly worth just dumping him out of fear.
Djp
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there is no loophole
for Europe it’s rights for 4 yrs till 1 June draft yr+4
for CHL it’s 2 yrs,re-enter draft, then 2 more years to 1 June draft year+4
with college players…most start freshman year after the draft. College is 4 yrs, rights date is in august because of variability of college calendars and graduation dates
UnleashRasmus
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If a kid loves college hockey; then let him play. Is it concerning, sure. Does it mean he could walk into UFA a year from now in August. Sure. However, having an open line of communication, and letting him focus on school isn't a bad thing. He could easily sign the day his school is eliminated.
Djp
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Could they modify draft rules…sure.
players who sign college intent letters can’t get drafted till they are 20/ finish 2nd yr eligibility year pre draft
you coukd modify contract signing rules where 1st round picks have $1M max. 2nd round $900K max, 3rd and lower $800K max. UDFAs and expiring rights UFAs have an $800K max ELC.
players who sign college intent letters can’t get drafted till they are 20/ finish 2nd yr eligibility year pre draft
you coukd modify contract signing rules where 1st round picks have $1M max. 2nd round $900K max, 3rd and lower $800K max. UDFAs and expiring rights UFAs have an $800K max ELC.
Yeah.....that's never going to happen.
The players would never agree to it, and the colleges would hate it, and we know how powerful both of those groups are collectively.
There's been lobbying for YEARS to increase the draft age to 19 and the NHL won't do it, and if they were ever going to agree to a change, it would apply to all players equally -- they're not going to penalize college guys.
The better option is for the NCAA to let them sign their ELC while still in college.
Bingo. Just like the CHL or any of the European leagues.
The only roadblock I see is how then would you calculate the "slide" of the contracts and therefore the legnth of the ELC. It's not difficult, but all parties would have to agree to it.
So if a player signs and leaves after 1 or 2 years, it remains as a 3 year ELC; if they leave after 3 or 4 years then it's a 2 year ELC.
Also, I wonder how you deal with drafted vs. undrafted guys. Maybe you need to treat them differently, because some of the undrafted guys who sign ELCs may be 22-24 years old, so they couldn't have 3 year ELCs or even 2 if they're on the older end of that spectrum, otherwise it would conflict with existing CBA rights.
Paxon
202? Stanley Cup Champions
Agreed. Unfortunately the NCAA is not going to simply "let" that happen. They'd have to be forced to allow it, through organized player demands or legal wrangling.
100000%
Again, I think Adams *should* be able to obtain intel from his agent as to whether he's likely to sign here or not. If he truly wants to go to a team where he has less competition for a top 4 spot, then the player & his agent should be upfront about it and then Adams can trade him.
If he truly wants to sign with the Sabres and doesn't mind being a 3rd pair guy behind Power and Dahlin/Samuelsson, then it's worth holding on to him.
If the player/agent are not willing to share any intel and intentions, that says enough and I would try to trade him.
So he shouldn't be traded out of fear as Paxon says, but he should be traded/not traded based on intel we can gather about wanting to be here.
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