Ryan Johansen

[Aspie with attitude]

Is this supposed to be funny?

Matt
‏@zekebud

you guys
what if
johansen is allergic to saad
what. if.
#cbj

I'm not laughing. The guy that made that tweet probably shouldn't quit his day job to be a comedian.

 

[Forepar]

Another serious question.

Do you think "the club" or his agent actually asked Jojo if this is related to Torts in any way? If so, how does it make you feel that they WOULD have to ask him that? And if not, HOW would they know that it DOESN'T have anything to do with the new coach.

The "I don't have any energy" or "I don't feel well" are about the same as the "I have a stomach ache" I used to use when I didn't wanna go to school....

I am not sure why I am responding to this garbage, but just STOP with the vitriolic accusations that have no basis.

Certain medical tests will not not reveal the exact cause of fatigue for several weeks. For instance, if Joey has mono, then the primary test for mono (monospot) could show false negative for weeks after actual infection. If the docs suspect a false negative, then they run an EBV antibody test (EBV is Epstein Barre Virus). However,

Having an EBV antibody test within the first few weeks of becoming infected with EBV...may lead to a false-negative result. If the first test does not indicate mono but you still have symptoms, the test may be repeated.

(WebMD, for lack of a better quick source).

He may just have the flu and needs a few days to recover and re-hydrate.

It could be a lot of things. But until they know, your inane poison attacks on Joey, management, the world are beyond an embarrassment. He is a Blue Jacket, remember?

Joey admitted that did not play his best early, without any poster or Joey or agent or management suggesting that the early games were affected by any accelerating illness. Only in game 6 or 7 did Joey and/or his agent suggest symptoms may have started....if it's the flu or a cold or a sinus infection, you fight thru those. Bus, you would run him out of town if Joey tried to take a seat before thinking his ailment might be more than the flu.

His performance sucked with the rest of the boys; no excuses were made. He's now getting tested for an illness - let's hope he gets well quickly.

You write as if you have the right to know every detail. They don't know all the details; even if they did, you don't have that right.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Johansen has played all 82 games the past two seasons, and I don't think that he's ever missed a game with injury or sickness since he turned pro 5 years ago.

To those suggesting that he's all of a sudden decided to fake an illness because he got benched for 5 minutes, I really don't know what to say.

People in all walks of life don't feel up to par at times. The human body doesn't operate at 100% efficiency much of the time. Proper diagnosis of an ailment can be difficult and take time. If he's out more than a week or so without further info, then I'd be inclined to be a bit concerned.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

14. All it took was one game and the John Tortorella/Ryan Johansen watch has begun. My theory is this: the Blue Jackets have until the end of next season to decide what they have in Johansen. A new contract will be needed, with unrestricted free agency a year away. They are going to use that time and they want Tortorella to push him like he pushed Vincent Lecavalier.

Whatever Columbus eventually decides to do — sign him or trade him — it will not be a rash decision. One rumour I could not confirm: the organization met with Johansen and agent Kurt Overhardt to soothe the hard feelings of a year ago, so everyone could look forward, not behind. That was before Todd Richards’ firing, although I don’t think everything unravelled immediately.

15. If there’s one man who knows what’s coming here, it is Jay Feaster, Tampa Bay’s executive director of community hockey development. “I would tell Ryan Johansen to understand none of it is personal. It’s not that (Tortorella) doesn’t like you, it’s that he has no politically correct bone in his body. No regulator, no unvarnished feeling. I would love it when a player would come into my office and say, ‘He hates me.’ I would always hold up my hand, stop them and say, ‘He hates all of us the same way. You are not special.’”

In John Feinstein’s outstanding book on basketball coach Bob Knight, A Season on the Brink, there’s a point where he’s told (I’m paraphrasing), “When he calls you a (bleep), don’t listen. When he tells you why you’re a (bleep), that’s when you listen.” Feaster laughed at that, saying it’s a good parallel.

“For all the bluster…he would not invest the time and trouble if he didn’t believe in you and didn’t care.”

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-flames-willing-to-deal-but-is-anyone-else/

Some incorrect things (such as Joey being a UFA at the end of next year), but interesting

 

[JacketsFanWest]

Johansen was hospitalized in Vancouver at least once over the summer after suffering an accelerated heart rate. But tests by cardiologists in Vancouver and Columbus found no issues with his heart, Overhardt said, and it did not disrupt his offseason workouts.

I have tachycardia (accelerated heart rate) and some people can have it for absolutely no medical reason. Their heart rate is just always high. With athletes, it's less noticeable because their heart rate is lower from being well-conditioned but it's still beating more times per minute than it should and leaves them more tired than a comparable athlete. Fatigue is a symptom of tachycardia and it also can be a side-effect of beta blockers given to treat it.

I used to have a ridiculously crazy schedule when I was both teaching martial arts classes and competing. Getting up at 4:30 to workout, 8 hours of a day job then 4-5 hours teaching kids and my our practice. There's no way I can do that now and I suspect it's the medication more than anything.

If you have that mentally that you want to train harder than everyone else and work your a** off, and you then physically can't, it sucks. I feel bad for Joey.

 

[We Want Ten]

Johansen has played all 82 games the past two seasons, and I don't think that he's ever missed a game with injury or sickness since he turned pro 5 years ago.

To those suggesting that he's all of a sudden decided to fake an illness because he got benched for 5 minutes, I really don't know what to say.

People in all walks of life don't feel up to par at times. The human body doesn't operate at 100% efficiency much of the time. Proper diagnosis of an ailment can be difficult and take time. If he's out more than a week or so without further info, then I'd be inclined to be a bit concerned.

There have been times in the past where he was noticeably coasting (AHL, last year, and now this year) the problem is its hard to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has a history. Now I haven't quite made the leap to he is faking it, but so far it's pretty peculiar with the timing and all. People defending him and wanting to criticize posters for being conspiracy theorists is fine, but what happens if a week goes by and they say he's all ok with no explanation?

Whatever is up I hope joey deals with it and gets better. This team is much better with him and the board is better when we are fighting about what's worse, our D or goaltending.

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

From all of the evidence I have seen it is clear that he is a cannibal and has contracted Kuru. It drives me crazy the way everyone is covering up for him. Everyone knows he's a cannibal and it has finally caught up with him. He ate something like 150lbs off of Hitch and THEY said it was Hitch leading a better lifestyle. An obvious lie!

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

From all of the evidence I have seen it is clear that he is a cannibal and has contracted Kuru. It drives me crazy the way everyone is covering up for him. Everyone knows he's a cannibal and it has finally caught up with him. He ate something like 150lbs off of Hitch and THEY said it was Hitch leading a better lifestyle. An obvious lie!

You're thinking of Rick Nash. And he just thought Hitch was a giant Twinkie.

 

[EspenK]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-flames-willing-to-deal-but-is-anyone-else/

Some incorrect things (such as Joey being a UFA at the end of next year), but interesting

This is what Freidman wrote:

My theory is this: the Blue Jackets have until the end of next season to decide what they have in Johansen. A new contract will be needed, with unrestricted free agency a year away.

He meant that UFA is one year away at the end of next season. Which is correct. He could have been a bit clearer but that is what he meant.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

This is what Freidman wrote:



He meant that UFA is one year away at the end of next season. Which is correct. He could have been a bit clearer but that is what he meant.

Apologies.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I wasn't going to add more speculations until more information came out, but at this point I have guesses as to what's going on with Joey that aren't particularly offensive to anyone so I'll go ahead and share them.

Joey has had several stretches over the years where he is noticeably slower. Not "Jumbo Joe" controlling the game slow, but playing like he's not in shape at all. He had one stretch, I believe last December, where he was moving at something approximating half speed. His motor has cyclical drop-offs. That could be psychological, physical, who knows. He has a lackadaisical mindset, and that could be driving things, but I also suspect he wants to win and play hard just as much as anyone but he's not getting the physical results he wants and he's mentally accommodating to that with an accepting mindset. If you've ever tried your hardest at something and failed you might know what I mean.

But with Tortorella here Joey is in tough. He doesn't want to go back out there and face coach Tortorella without either having his best energy, or having some kind of diagnosis to explain why he doesn't have his best energy. He knows he's just going to end up stapled to the bench looking like a bum. So he's taking this time to figure out what's going on.

(That or I could be completely wrong and this is just a temporary illness and not a cyclical thing.)

Personally, I think your on to something. We will probably never know. For all we know he could have been sent back to columbus to get in shape, and this is a cover. You think the team would admit it, if it was a conditioning issue ? Especially with the start we had, and the front office was probably 2 games 2 slow in firing Richards. The better question, assuming he's ill, and this is why he was skating at half speed since the season began. Why did Todd Richards not notice this ? We could all see him looking disinterested, thats why we all joked that he would be Torts first victim.

 

[major major]

Personally, I think your on to something. We will probably never know. For all we know he could have been sent back to columbus to get in shape, and this is a cover. You think the team would admit it, if it was a conditioning issue ? Especially with the start we had, and the front office was probably 2 games 2 slow in firing Richards. The better question, assuming he's ill, and this is why he was skating at half speed since the season began. Why did Todd Richards not notice this ? We could all see him looking disinterested, thats why we all joked that he would be Torts first victim.

I don't think Joey looked any worse this past week than he did last December, and Richards played him through that and all his other poor stretches.

My whole point was that this "fatigue" is nothing new for Joey (seems cyclical to me) and it's only coming to a head now because Torts is here, and Joey doesn't want to play for Torts until he can get his energy fixed. (total speculation)

 

[thebus2288*]

While no, I don't need or even want to know exactly what's wrong with him, it would be nice to have the slightest clue. I mean this is a major professional sports franchise, they have connections with some of the "best" doctors in all different aspects of healthcare. The "he's tired, has been for a while" and "he fell ill" are not suitable answers to me at this point. I don't and haven't spent thousands or even hundreds of dollars on this team, but I find it interesting that MOST people on here are giving Jojo AND the "franchise" what seems like a pass on this. And yet 'free food' night is prolly brought up few times in STH Q-and-A night down there.

Why did it take an in-game coaching decision by Torts for "all of this" to now come out?

What changed from before the game to the start of the 3rd when he was THEN considered not "well enough" to help the team?

What happened with his "health" that night after the game or the next morning that made them make the decision for him to leave the team?

I mean did he begin to be "feeling or falling ill" before, during or after the game? Or WAS it the following morning? And what are the simple symptoms? Is it cold like issues or stomach flu? Why wouldn't they tell us that? There's plenty more "vague" answers/info they could have given us at this point without giving us his SSN.

-There are quotes from all 3 of the amigos about Johansen's lack of "energy". His agent even admits its been "for a while"....

“It’s nothing with his heart,†said Kurt Overhardt, Johansen’s agent. “He’s just not feeling well, and we’re trying to figure out why. His energy level has been down for a while. There’s no alarm here, but we want to get to the root of it. We want to do the right thing and make sure he’s 100 percent when he’s on the ice.â€

"No alarm here". He's not dying, everybody relax. They all seem pretty confident that it IS NOT something serious. And without going on a "conspiracy theory" rant, I'll just say there are millions of people all over the world who have REAL, SERIOUS, DIAGNOSED medical issues while also having millions of dollars less than Jojo. So forgive me if I haven't gotten to the store to buy him that $6 'Get Well Soon' card.

General manager Jarmo Kekalainen declined to comment Monday.

“(Johansen) doesn’t feel well. He lacks energy, so we’ll list him as day-to-day,†Tortorella said. “He’s getting some medical tests done. We’re going to leave him alone and see if we can get that straightened out. We don’t think it’s long-term. He just doesn’t feel well.â€

“Joey and I are pretty close, so obviously we talk,†right wing Cam Atkinson said. “But I don’t know what’s going on with him. All I can do is be there for him, but I don’t really know what’s going on.â€

Again, these comments(and lack of 1) do not instill much confidence in me that this is something that WE, as fans of the CBJ, should not be worried about. Other than "we want him to be 100% on the ice", nobody has really come out to say something along the lines of "we hope he's ok, his health is more important". You would THINK that people who actually know him and have personal relationships with him would say those types of things, not random dudes on a message board.

I mean COME ON....."We’re going to leave him alone and see if we can get that straightened out. We don’t think it’s long-term. He just doesn’t feel well.â€

It's also the same complaints my grandfather used to have for a while. Turns out he had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

Your putting whatever is sidelining a premier pro athlete on the same level as your childhood malingering is disgusting, by the way.

I'm sorry about that. While my grandpa didn't complain much, so did he. I lived with him and was ("luckily") there when his femur broke just by simply walking on it. You putting "whatever" is sidelining a pro athlete on the same level as your (any my) passed away grandfathers is what's disgusting, by the way. Not to mention in the past I've heard (and still hear) jokes and wisecracks about MANY injury prone players, that have been diagnosed with ACTUAL and "serious" medical issues like concussions and damaged knees. Boll(teams better anyway), Anisimov(dude gotta learn to pick his head up ), "Can we call Klesla and Murray chinamen? Cuz they're made of glass, HARHARHAR", ALL come to mind. But that's all A-ok right?

In terms of raw data, nothing that I'm aware of has been excluded. Misinterpretation, tho... hoo boy.

The conclusions you jump to and your repeated implications that It's All Connected. The bias is in presuming that Something Is Fundamentally Wrong With Johansen, and therefore all data that has come out about him is being used to attempt to support that theory.

Nobody here can because of a lack of data. We have circumstantial information but no hard evidence.

I think conclusions are premature as we lack sufficient data. Speculation on theories is one thing, but that's not what's taking place.

So I'm misinterpreting things but you're not? Ok. What are you trying to get at with the 'anti-conspiracy theory', "Its All Connected" comment. I mean Ryan Johansen, his health(mental or physical), his agent, Davidson, Kekkalainen, Tortorella, and the Columbus Blue Jackets ARE connected, no? That's all were talking about. Your bias is presuming that NOTHING is fundamentally wrong with Jojo, even though multiple issues have come up in his young career that seem to directly counter that. "Joey was trying as much as Joey knows how", was a direct quote from a guy that MANY(including myself) either wanted or were absolutely ok with being our new coach. So, YOU can come to YOUR conclusion that he has mono or the flu and go on your way and complain about Boll and Prout like most everybody else, I'll continue speculating until I get SOME sort of answer I'm satisfied with.

It's not like this team JUST played a game a couple years ago in which a player went into cardiac arrest (Peverley). And now has a player possibly with a heart issue.

Oh wait.

Stay classy.

You send him that "Get Well Soon" card yet? No? Stay classy.

The team, his agent, and coach in my opinion, have practically SAID, "He's fine, he just doesn't feel good".

I wasn't going to add more speculations until more information came out, but at this point I have guesses as to what's going on with Joey that aren't particularly offensive to anyone so I'll go ahead and share them..

What you said it just about what I'm trying to get at. Obviously worded much clearer, better, and most "importantly", nicer. But, if your theory is "correct" what do you think the right next step is with Jojo?

I am not sure why I am responding to this garbage, but just STOP with the vitriolic accusations that have no basis.

Certain medical tests will not not reveal the exact cause of fatigue for several weeks.
He may just have the flu and needs a few days to recover and re-hydrate.

It could be a lot of things. But until they know, your inane poison attacks on Joey, management, the world are beyond an embarrassment. He is a Blue Jacket, remember?

-My Accusations are based not only his gameplay or my opinion on his effort level(for SOME time) but, on quotes from multiple coaches, front office guys, his own agent, teammates, and "stories" that have been told or hinted at in the media. Was this "mystery illness" the reason he "ignored" Richards when telling him to get off the ice quicker?

-He does not have the flu. They'd have NO reason to not tell us that was the case even if it was just an option, IMO. The only thing we've been told about a timeline is that 10 days ago he started "feeling not well", without giving ANY sort of idea of where, what or why he wasn't feeling well. We didn't hear anything about anything until about 3 days ago. MAYBE they really don't know whats wrong with him but I think a lot of you are really downplaying the medical resources a pro sports franchise HAS. And again, multiple quotes have been published that IMO seems to hint that he is actually "fine".

-My only "poison" attacks have been against Jojo, and the governments of the USA, Israel and Saudi Arabia. Ironically, my "attacks" on 3 of the 4 are based a lot ON literal "poison attacks". Some people attempted to turn this into a "conspiracy theory/joke" thread or dismiss people who think Joey might actually be more "at fault" than he is "sick". I just thought I'd throw some related stuff in there.

Here's to 2 in a row!!

 

[thebus2288*]

Awwwwww snap...3 in a row....

momentum?

 

[Viqsi]

So I'm misinterpreting things but you're not? Ok. What are you trying to get at with the 'anti-conspiracy theory', "Its All Connected" comment. I mean Ryan Johansen, his health(mental or physical), his agent, Davidson, Kekkalainen, Tortorella, and the Columbus Blue Jackets ARE connected, no? That's all were talking about.

...

They're "connected" the same way, say, you and I would be. Presuming some sort of deeper correlation is not just asinine, it's so fundamentally disconnected from rationality that frankly I'm beginning to question how you manage to function in day to day life.

Do you similarly assume that, say, Mayor Bee and major major and I (and, heck, some of the others here too) are all colluding against you and your Vision Of The Truth or something? Because if so, I might as well PM them and try to start coordinating, as nobody's given me any Conspiracy Updates.

Your bias is presuming that NOTHING is fundamentally wrong with Jojo

STOP. Stop right there. That is a false dichotomy. I am saying that there is not enough data for ANY conclusion to be reached. Stop trying to assign a conclusion to me. I am not your strawman.

 

[Damien]

Depression.

 

[Dednimnepo]

there is not enough data for ANY conclusion to be reached

This! So much this. We don't know. My guess is the medical professionals do not know. Which means it could be something minor or inconsequential in the long run or it could be something serious.

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

Awwwwww snap...3 in a row....

momentum?

Did you just quote and respond to yourself 3 times in post 113? This thread is AWESOME!!!

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

Depression.

Flu, Cancer, Mono, Sleep Apnea, Hypothyroidism, Heart Issue, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Anemia, Dehydration, Type 1 Diabetes, Insomnia, AIDS, Anxiety, Fibromyalgia, Low Sodium, Low Potassium, Low Iron, Muscular Dystrophy, ALS, Interactive Pituitary, etc.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Flu, Cancer, Mono, Sleep Apnea, Hypothyroidism, Heart Issue, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Anemia, Dehydration, Type 1 Diabetes, Insomnia, AIDS, Anxiety, Fibromyalgia, Low Sodium, Low Potassium, Low Iron, Muscular Dystrophy, ALS, Interactive Pituitary, etc.

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

With all the entertaining posts that this has provided I hate to say this but if things stay quiet for much longer I am going to start thinking that something serious is wrong with the guy. When things are too quiet I get nervous that everyone is being quiet out of respect due to the seriousness of the situation.
Then again Torts has said that he doesn't discuss injuries because they are nobody's business including the fans.

 

[cbjfaninmo]

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis?

Tortorellaitis?

 

[Waivers]

Best of luck RyJo.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Then again Torts has said that he doesn't discuss injuries because they are nobody's business including the fans.

Does that mean that we won't even get the perfunctory "upper body" or "lower body" and all scratches will reported as just scratches (neither healthy nor injured)?

I'm assuming IR assignments will be announced, unless Tortorella is willing to go as far as the 23-man roster being none of the fans' business.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Also, I guess the Ice Haus won't be seeing much use by the Jackets (unless he can get the exterior windows frosted or tinted).