Ryan Johansen Saga III

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CBJWerenski8

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Told Overhardt-Johansen camp has extended a new two-year proposal to #CBJ this afternoon.
 

KJ Dangler

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That seems to be wild speculation on your part and I don't see any evidence supporting that.

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Originally Posted by jacks johnson
Do you have trouble reading ? It says the Blue Jackets spent the first 2 years with a firm boot behind him insisting that he play with a drive and passion that didnt seem to come to him naturally nor consistently. It came to a HEAD last year, after being sent to the ahl, and benched due to his effort level. Is there a translation issue ?




Wild speculation , it's word for word from the dispatch :laugh:
 

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Aaron Portzline ‏@Aportzline 1m

Told Overhardt-Johansen camp has extended a new two-year proposal to #CBJ this afternoon.

I'm definitely getting cynical in my old age; my initial thought after reading this was that they upped their asking price.

I certainly hope that is not the case.
 

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My personal opinion is that the Johansen camp extended a hand and said "Fine, here, we're going to come down a little bit. 2 years 5.6 per." in hopes that the Jackets will extend theirs a little bit upwards.

But thats the optimistic me. Maybe Kurt made a 2 year 50 million offer just as an extra FU. Idk.
 

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Do you have trouble reading ? It says the Blue Jackets spent the first 2 years with a firm boot behind him insisting that he play with a drive and passion that didnt seem to come to him naturally nor consistently. It came to a HEAD last year, after being sent to the ahl, and benched due to his effort level. Is there a translation issue ?




Wild speculation , it's word for word from the dispatch :laugh:

Porty's opinion is not evidence and from my reading of him and listening to the poddy, you're taking it to another level and misrepresenting what he's saying.

If you or Fro or EDM, or other members of the groupthink on this board have a specific example of entitlement or attitude or work ethic issues, I'd love to hear it. The benching in Springfield is one. I heard that one a bunch of times, but nothing else, because there is nothing else.
 

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"Fine, 6m/2 yrs.. 1m salary year 1, 5m salary in year 2"

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I actually wouldn't even mind that

All that really matters is the AAV, so yea.

If the latest, lowest offer from RyJo's camp was $6 mil AAV, and CBJ was either $3/3.5 AAV (both 2 years), I'm thinking a 2 year, $5.25-5.5 mil AAV proposal, at best. I don't see this getting resolved until October.

At this point, the highest I could see CBJ going is $4 mil AAV. They have so many young players to sign in the near future that it is in their best long term interest to keep this as low as possible without completely blowing things up. Up until now its been mostly posturing, but if this drags into the season it could get ugly.
 

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If (more like when) they hammer this out and say it's a two year deal, and Joey puts up big numbers again this season, how fun will it be to go through this when it's "big money" time?
 

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If (more like when) they hammer this out and say it's a two year deal, and Joey puts up big numbers again this season, how fun will it be to go through this when it's "big money" time?

With a Stanley Cup in hand? A lot fun.
 

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If (more like when) they hammer this out and say it's a two year deal, and Joey puts up big numbers again this season, how fun will it be to go through this when it's "big money" time?

At that point, I'll be on Team Joey. The club has said make them pay and I hope he does. And if he puts up, the club should pay up.
 

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If (more like when) they hammer this out and say it's a two year deal, and Joey puts up big numbers again this season, how fun will it be to go through this when it's "big money" time?

something tells me if he repeats last seasons production the next two seasons, the FO will be more than willing to open the checkbook. That's assuming its a two year deal they hash out
 

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If (more like when) they hammer this out and say it's a two year deal, and Joey puts up big numbers again this season, how fun will it be to go through this when it's "big money" time?

"How much should we pay a proven franchise center to stay with the team for the next 8 years?" >>>>> "How much should we pay an unproven, 21 (now 22) year old RFA center who has one good season under his belt?"
 

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I agree with Cosby..

I am no longer optimistic.. but the fact that the other players don't seem worried offsets this some

Fire the frickin agent, guy is a *********
 
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A few stats for thought:

1) Johansen's 1.32 goals per 60 minutes of even strength play was tied for 5th among ALL NHL players last year. It was a rate more than 2.25 times that (0.59) of the laughable Stepan "comp"

2) Johansen was 11th in goal in the NHL last year

3) Johansen's 63 points were 24% more than the next leading Jacket had (Wiz-51)

4) His 63 points were 26% greater than the Jackets 2nd leader forward scorer (Dubi-50).

5) His 63 points were 58% more than the 3rd leading Jackets forward (Cam-40).

Digest these. He scored 58% more points than the 3rd leading forward and he didn't play with either #2 or #3. The kid is the best forward on this team by such a huge margin that it's not funny.

If anyone thinks that Joey has zero leverage because of the CBA, they are really fooling themselves.

The Jackets are most likely not a playoff team without Johansen.

Since you found it important to post the same thing on two boards, I thought it makes good sense to use the same post to show how flawed this post is.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=89741075&postcount=622

Listing off stats is fine, but in the end you have to compare them to something. Let me do that for you.

Originally Posted by Cyclones Rock View Post
Ryan Johansen was tied for 5th in the NHL in goals scored per 60 minutes at even strength (1.32). Stepan, who is bandied about as a comparable player was at .59 goals per 60 min. ES.

Almost true. He was tied for 7th in goals scored per 60 minutes at even strength. Gustav Nyquist ($0.950 million) was first in that category. Two other players on RFA contracts finished above Johansen in this category: (1) Max Pac ($4.5 million AAV for 6 years); and (2) Jamie Benn ($5.25 million AAV for 5 years).

Ryan Johansen was tied for 11th in the NHL in goals scored with 33.
Four players on RFA contracts tied or outscored Johansen: (1) Max Pac ($4.5 million AAV for 6 years); (2) Jamie Benn ($5.25 million AAV for 5 years); (3) Tyler Seguin ($5.75 million AAV for 6 years); and (4) Jeff Skinner ($5.73 million AAV for 6 years).

On his own team, Johansen's 63 points were 24% higher than the next leading Jacket point getter (Wizniewski-51 points).

Among Jackets forwards, Johansen's 63 points were 26% higher than the next leading scoring forward (Dubinski-50 points) and a whopping 58% more than the Jackets 3rd leading scorer (Cam Atkinson-40).

He did outperform other Jackets players. No doubt about that. But here are at least eight players on RFA contracts who outperformed Johansen's points:

1. Tyler Seguin by 33% in 2 less games. ($5.75M / 6)
2. Taylor Hall by 27% in 7 less games. ($6M / 7)
3. Jamie Benn [Captain] by 25% in 1 less game. ($5.25M / 5)
4. Matt Duchene by 11% in 11 less games. ($6M / 5 after a $3.5M / 2 bridge)
5. John Tavares [Captain] by 5% in 23 less games. ($5.5M / 6)
6. Jordan Eberle by 3% in 2 less games. ($6M / 6)
7. Gabriel Landeskog [Captain] by 3% in 1 less game. ($5.57 / 7)
8. Ryan O'Reilly by 2% in 2 less games. ($6M / 2 after a $5M / 2 offer sheet forced a $6.5M QO)

The Jackets management could have sewn this up early by just offering the same bridge deal that they gave Sergei Bobrovski (roughly $11 million over 2 years) after he won the Vezina in the lockout season.

The Vezina trophy is awarded to the goaltender "adjudged to be the best at his position." Johansen had one good year after being benched in the AHL, but he came nowhere close to being the best center in the NHL. For crying out loud, there were two forwards from his own draft class that were better. The top point getter outscored Johansen by 65% and the top goal scorer outscored him by 55%. You're response to this will, I'm sure, be that goaltenders are compensated differently. I agree so stick to his actual comparable players.

Johansen finally broke out last year. Those insistent on the "only one good season" point of view, are as silly as someone who would judge a college quarterback on a poor freshman season instead of his standout junior year. Players take time to develop physically and to the pace of play in the NHL. It took Johansen two very painful years to get there, but he's fully acclimated. Last season is the only relevant season to use for projecting future performance.

I think this is ********. Until you see consistent performance across years, you cannot be sure he will maintain his level of play or take the next step. This leads to a considerable amount of risk that you must account for when offering longterm deals. But even assuming his one year is equivalent to showing three solid years out of junior, he has no basis to call an offer comparable to John Tavares' or Jamie Benn's deals an insult or unreasonable. John Tavares' third year (after actually being able to show continuous progress at the NHL level) whooped Johansen's third, and only productive, year. Moreover, he has nowhere near the pedigree of a guy like Tavares.

I think this is going to end in a divorce (trade). Hate to say it but it looks like the most likely resolution. The team isn't going to budge.

I tend to agree with you. I don't know whether there is a "bad guy" in this but in the end, I think there is a good chance Johansen ends up on another team by the trade deadline.
 
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Johansen/Overhardt said he wants to stay in Columbus, CBJ FO said they aren't even entertaining the thought of trading him. What has led you to believe otherwise?

Does he really? Arace believes Overhardt's proposals to the Jackets are:

2 years @ 6.5 million (13 million)

6 years @ 7 million each (42 million)

8 years @ 8.5 million each (70 million)

Does that sound like he wants to be in Columbus?
 
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