Ryan Johansen Saga III

[Socks]

You're right, Jarmo and JD played great that series. They're the difference between the series wins and losses.

They out those teams together. You can't call them out and then forget the facts when it's convenient for you. I know that's how you roll but we aren't going to let you get away with it.

 

[We Want Ten]

You're right, Jarmo and JD played great that series. They're the difference between the series wins and losses.

No wonder St. Louis has gotten better since JD and Jarmo got canned.

Lol Wut?

Slimer form Ghostbusters is less slippery than you.

 

[blahblah]

You're right, Jarmo and JD played great that series. They're the difference between the series wins and losses.

Do you even know what you are arguing anymore? Re-read your last two posts; you are all over the place.

Regardless, is there anything else that can be said about this situation? We know all the details. I tried to offer my thoughts. It doesn't sound like anything is going to happen soon. I doubt anything gets resolved in camp.

Time to get ready for the regular season with what looks like we be the third lowest cap hit in the league once you add in the roster spot that is free right now without Johansen signed. Looks like we'll start the season without our top two forwards.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

“I think the thing that’s probably best for the process is to keep that between Jaden’s representatives and myself from this point forward,†Armstrong said. “The next time I’ll talk publicly about Jaden is when we sign him.â€

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Lol Wut?

Slimer form Ghostbusters is less slippery than you.

I think the Blues roster is better now and the last couple years then it was while they were there. There certainly hasn't been a drop off in talent or games won since they left. The constant is Doug Armstrong, even if JD wants to take the credit when his main job was selling tickets.

and I hate the Blues, btw

 

[CBJWerenski8]

The Blues are still the Blues but the franchise hasn't missed a beat since losing the ego twins.

So we should pat them on their back for their yearly achievment of wrecking the regular season and getting blown out in round 1/2 of the playoffs, and making horrible trades/signings such as the ones for Ryan Miller and Ryan Reaves? Yeah, way to go St. Louis.

I'm usually on board with you with this Johansen stuff, and I agree that going public with all of this wasn't the right/classy move. But yeah, It seems like St.Louis hasn't done any better without the 'ego twins'.

 

[We Want Ten]

I think the Blues roster is better now and the last couple years then it was while they were there. There certainly hasn't been a drop off in talent or games won since they left. The constant is Doug Armstrong, even if JD wants to take the credit when his main job was selling tickets.

and I hate the Blues, btw

How was it when JD and Jarmo started compared to when they left?

 

[cslebn]

it's like going to an insurance company and saying that you should get the best rate because you only had one accident where you totaled your car, but that was over a year ago and it was only because you were drunk at the time.

I love this!

 

[pete goegan]

Davidson was named President of Hockey Operations for the Blues on June 30, 2006. He left the Blues after agreeing to a buyout of his contract on October 9, 2012. He was then named President of Hockey Operations for the Columbus Blue Jackets on October 24, 2012.

After being passed over for the Blues GM job (losing out to Doug Armstrong), Kekäläinen returned to the Finnish Elite League to take the GM job with Jokerit.

Canned? Actually, looks like Jarmo took an option available to Johansen: unhappy with his employment situation, here, he went overseas for a better opportunity. I suppose that JD was in contact with the CBJ prior to his buyout, otherwise his hire could not have followed so closely. In either case, it would appear that the initiative for leaving St.L. came from them, not the Blues.

 

[cslebn]

You're right, Jarmo and JD played great that series. They're the difference between the series wins and losses.

But but but you said:

No wonder St. Louis has gotten better since JD and Jarmo got canned.

I'm so confused.

 

[cslebn]

Davidson was named President of Hockey Operations for the Blues on June 30, 2006. He left the Blues after agreeing to a buyout of his contract on October 9, 2012. He was then named President of Hockey Operations for the Columbus Blue Jackets on October 24, 2012.

After being passed over for the Blues GM job (losing out to Doug Armstrong), Kekäläinen returned to the Finnish Elite League to take the GM job with Jokerit.

Canned? Actually, looks like Jarmo took an option available to Johansen: unhappy with his employment situation, here, he went overseas for a better opportunity. I suppose that JD was in contact with the CBJ prior to his buyout, otherwise his hire could not have followed so closely. In either case, it would appear that the initiative for leaving St.L. came from them, not the Blues.

As I recall, the JD buyout was more finance related as the ownership was in turmoil at the time.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...of-hockey-operations-contract-buyout/1616401/

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

I really don't care about the Blues. I hate them. Their GM knows the proper way to handle a dispute and the team has not missed a bit since JD/Jarmo left town. Yes, they are still playoff chokers. Wish you guys were so into details when coming up with your "Ryan Johansen is a spoiled diva" comments.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I love this. I ask for a factual event other than the springfield benching that shows ryan johansen is a bad character guy. And you literally respond with the springfield benching. get over it.

Whats more important/relevent...being scratched in the AHL playoffs two seasons ago, or being a beast throughout a full season of the NHL and playoffs last season?

Do you have trouble reading ? It says the Blue Jackets spent the first 2 years with a firm boot behind him insisting that he play with a drive and passion that didnt seem to come to him naturally nor consistently. It came to a HEAD last year, after being sent to the ahl, and benched due to his effort level. Is there a translation issue ?

 

[Xoggz22]

What do those players have to do with Johansen? Yes, at one point, THEY WERE. They have grown up and matured. Also, none of them actually still play for the team they had problems with. You see the pattern?

For the record, JMFJ wanted to continue to play at Michigan not that he didn't want to play in Carolina. I can't see IHZ quotes any more so I thought I would put that out there

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Do you have trouble reading ? It says the Blue Jackets spent the first 2 years with a firm boot behind him insisting that he play with a drive and passion that didnt seem to come to him naturally nor consistently. It came to a HEAD last year, after being sent to the ahl, and benched due to his effort level. Is there a translation issue ?

That seems to be wild speculation on your part and I don't see any evidence supporting that.

 

[Jackets16]

The Blues are still the Blues but the franchise hasn't missed a beat since losing the ego twins.

So, are the Blues still the Blues or are they "No wonder St. Louis has gotten better since JD and Jarmo got canned."?

 

[Jackets16]

You're right, Jarmo and JD played great that series. They're the difference between the series wins and losses.

You need .

 

[Jackets16]

You're right, Jarmo and JD played great that series. They're the difference between the series wins and losses.

If they weren't the difference, then how did the Blues get better without them. If they didn't play, and thus have no bearing on the outcome, how did St. Louis get better without them?

 

[WannabeFinn]

I really don't care about the Blues. I hate them. Their GM knows the proper way to handle a dispute and the team has not missed a bit since JD/Jarmo left town. Yes, they are still playoff chokers. Wish you guys were so into details when coming up with your "Ryan Johansen is a spoiled diva" comments.

as proven by Sobotka going to the KHL

let's not forget the other fantastic moves made by Armstrong like the Miller and Perron trades

 

[Xoggz22]

A few stats for thought:

1) Johansen's 1.32 goals per 60 minutes of even strength play was tied for 5th among ALL NHL players last year. It was a rate more than 2.25 times that (0.59) of the laughable Stepan "comp"

2) Johansen was 11th in goal in the NHL last year

3) Johansen's 63 points were 24% more than the next leading Jacket had (Wiz-51)

4) His 63 points were 26% greater than the Jackets 2nd leader forward scorer (Dubi-50).

5) His 63 points were 58% more than the 3rd leading Jackets forward (Cam-40).

Digest these. He scored 58% more points than the 3rd leading forward and he didn't play with either #2 or #3. The kid is the best forward on this team by such a huge margin that it's not funny.

If anyone thinks that Joey has zero leverage because of the CBA, they are really fooling themselves.

The Jackets are most likely not a playoff team without Johansen.

Johansen was no doubt important to the CBJ last year and is a big piece moving forward but there are stats that also suggest his goal scoring isn't sustainable and compared to, say, Duchesne his stats and ELC ending suggest $3.5-4.0M is a reasonable offer. He may he the most skilled player on the team but he hasn't proven anything beyond last year could be an anomaly. I hope not but he doesn't deserve $6M on a bridge deal

 

[Jackets16]

For the record, JMFJ wanted to continue to play at Michigan not that he didn't want to play in Carolina. I can't see IHZ quotes any more so I thought I would put that out there

Yes. I was making a broad statement. More or less just trying to say those things happened with teams they are no longer on. Sometimes, some players need to move on to another team to "grow up".

 

[Jackets16]

Johansen was no doubt important to the CBJ last year and is a big piece moving forward but there are stats that also suggest his goal scoring isn't sustainable and compared to, say, Duchesne his stats and ELC ending suggest $3.5-4.0M is a reasonable offer. He may he the most skilled player on the team but he hasn't proven anything beyond last year could be an anomaly. I hope not but he doesn't deserve $6M on a bridge deal

Maybe we should pay him 58% more ($1.817 million) than Atkinson.

 

[Nanabijou]

Burnside and Strang weigh in:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/32571/johansen-negotiations-could-stall-jackets

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

as proven by Sobotka going to the KHL

let's not forget the other fantastic moves made by Armstrong like the Miller and Perron trades

Better than Gaborik for a Frattin and signing Horton, etc.

Look, I didn't say the Blues were the greatest team ever or Armstrong was a flawless GM. I showed how he was handling the Jaden Schwartz issue, with some class publicly and keeping everything else behind the scenes. I also took a little shot at Jarmo and JD who seem to put publicity for themselves above the best interest of the team. Not looking for a St. Louis Blues debate and my apologies if that post sidetracked the thread

 

[Xoggz22]

Offersheets don't exist?

Sure they exist but in this case the odds of one happening are so small it is of little worry. There are two teams that either have the pressing need (Nashville) or the picks and cap space(Anaheim). Yes there or others but I don't know any team outside of Anaheim that might seriously consider giving up 4 firsts. That's what it would take. If CBJ offered 8/$46M that lets teams know where they need to be at a minimum. Take the offer sheet rules and compensation and should Johansen sign for less than the CBJ offered... A) easy match and B) NHL may stick their nose in to see why.

An offer sheet is so unlikely and with the money out there it becomes even less likely. CBJ is going to use all the leverage they possibly can. It is how the CBA is designed. RFA's have nothing after ELC.