Ryan Johansen Saga III

[IHeartZherdev*]

@Matt_NBC4 1m
JD: Offered 6-year, $32 million deal to Johansen. Offered 8-year, $46 million too. Nowhere near what they want. Enough is enough

Those deals are horrible, why would he accept them?

8 year, $46 million? Joey will be worth much more than that if he keeps up his production for another year or two. Why should he sign away his prime UFA years to accept a deal like that? the 6 year $32 million deal? A cap hit of what, $5.2? That's Brandon Dubinsky money, not top liner money. And the bridge deal the front office was offering pays him a yearly average of like $3 million, which is good third liner money.

They throw out big term with a number that sounds big, so all the fans of course think he's a greedy punk, but anyone who looks at these deals from a business perspective can see these deals are insulting and management trying to take advantage of the kid.

 

[Socks]

How is it petty? The numbers always become public after the fact anyway.

After the fact is a whole other barrel of monkeys than during.

 

[DJA]

After the fact is a whole other barrel of monkeys than during.

Yes, you keep saying that, but I'm not understanding why. All salaries in the NHL are public record.

 

[Fro]

Those deals are horrible, why would he accept them?

8 year, $46 million? Joey will be worth much more than that if he keeps up his production for another year or two. Why should he sign away his prime UFA years to accept a deal like that? the 6 year $32 million deal? A cap hit of what, $5.2? That's Brandon Dubinsky money, not top liner money. And the bridge deal the front office was offering pays him a yearly average of like $3 million, which is good third liner money.

They throw out big term with a number that sounds big, so all the fans of course think he's a greedy punk, but anyone who looks at these deals from a business perspective can see these deals are insulting and management trying to take advantage of the kid.

they're exactly what they're supposed to be... "Prove It" contracts...the narrative hasn't changed from the FO...

 

[Socks]

Yes, you keep saying that, but I'm not understanding why. All salries in the NHL are public record.

But this isn't his salary yet.

And I'm only barely on their side. I'm like on the outskirts of Switzerland here.

 

[DarkandStormy]

http://http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=461988




I guess I don't understand the 2 yr @ 3 per. I would think that 2 @ 4 would/should be acceptable to the Jackets. I'm guessing that Joey's side isn't coming off the apparent 6 (Jackets 3 plus the 3 apart) per for 2 years.

Assuming the stated offers are flexible if the other side moved towards them I'd guess we'd see a deal finalized in a few days.

If both sides are dug in hard then both are to blame.

I think the stated offers ARE the Blue Jackets flexibility. They originally held firm on a bridge. That's apparently not the case anymore. They were in the $3-$3.5 million/yr range on that bridge, but go up to $5.85 AAV on the 8-year deal.

I do agree - make that two year offer $8 million. The cap went up since Duchene's and Stepan's bridge deals.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Those deals are horrible, why would he accept them?

8 year, $46 million? Joey will be worth much more than that if he keeps up his production for another year or two. Why should he sign away his prime UFA years to accept a deal like that? the 6 year $32 million deal? A cap hit of what, $5.2? That's Brandon Dubinsky money, not top liner money. And the bridge deal the front office was offering pays him a yearly average of like $3 million, which is good third liner money.

They throw out big term with a number that sounds big, so all the fans of course think he's a greedy punk, but anyone who looks at these deals from a business perspective can see these deals are insulting and management trying to take advantage of the kid.

So who has commanded $6+ million/year off one good season of production? Just curious.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

So who has commanded $6+ million/year off one good season of production? Just curious.

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins? Jordan Eberle?

But the CBJ don't have to commit that, just offer a fair bridge deal. Joey and his agent would be crazy to accept a long-term deal that pays him less than $6 million per since he will be worth much more than that in a year or two.

They should offer a bridge deal, 2-years, that isn't a slap in the face. 2 years, $6 million....that leaves our leading scorer and number one center making less per year than Foligno, Anisimov, Horton, Dubinsky, Hartnell, Jack, Wiz, Tyutin, just about everyone. Come on.

 

[Kev22]

Those deals are horrible, why would he accept them?

8 year, $46 million? Joey will be worth much more than that if he keeps up his production for another year or two. Why should he sign away his prime UFA years to accept a deal like that? the 6 year $32 million deal? A cap hit of what, $5.2? That's Brandon Dubinsky money, not top liner money. And the bridge deal the front office was offering pays him a yearly average of like $3 million, which is good third liner money.

They throw out big term with a number that sounds big, so all the fans of course think he's a greedy punk, but anyone who looks at these deals from a business perspective can see these deals are insulting and management trying to take advantage of the kid.

I get your argument, but the only chink I see in your armor is the phrase I bolded above. It's where I understand where the FO is coming from. They see a player that shows all the signs of being a first line stud, but they see reason to continue to motivate him. Joey will not be able to live down the Springfield debacle from after the shortened season. It will be something that gets rehashed until this deal is done.

Porty tweeted earlier that Overhardt is reportedly in Columbus. I think on the bridge deal there's some wiggle room from both sides. Since the cap went up, would it be "record setting" if the FO goes to 4 to 4.25M per year on a bridge? I mentioned this earlier in this thread, it's time for both sides to poop or get off the pot. If the Jackets like Joey and Joey wants to be here, hopefully cooler heads will prevail and a deal will get done before physicals start tomorrow.

 

[carolinacanuck]

canucks fan coming in peace..

after reading the article on tsn, my first thought was...ouch, what a cold move by management...this isn't gonna sit well with the RJ team.

then i thought, nah..this is business, I'm sure the RJ team will understand.

then i thought...but why would management even take the chance that RJ will understand?

bad move. too risky.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Let's go to the Winchester, have a pint..

 

[EDM]

Zherdve, you don't know a gosh darn thing about Joey. Have you ever met him? JD and JK have. They have worked with him. And they see a prima donna. It is that simple. They see a kid who they do not believe is committed to doing the hard work necessary to grow as a standout player in this league. It should be clear by now, JD and JK are clear about how they view him. So please, SHUT UP unless you actually have something to contribute to the debate. They do not trust his one good year which occurred during his contract year. That is it, pure and simple. For the love of all of our sanity, you would try , at least try, to make a comment that is relevant to the debate rather than your off the wall comments defending a kid you know absolutely nothing about from a character standpoint.

And before you say it, it is true, I don't know Joey either. But JD and JK do and they are respected professionals and I trust their judgment when it comes to measuring what is in a player's gut.

Over and out.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins? Jordan Eberle?

Well as long as we're using Edmonton as the standard....good grief.

 

[blahblah]

Those deals are horrible, why would he accept them?

8 year, $46 million? Joey will be worth much more than that if he keeps up his production for another year or two. Why should he sign away his prime UFA years to accept a deal like that? the 6 year $32 million deal? A cap hit of what, $5.2?

Just two years ago Taveres signed a 6 year 33 million dollar deal. Seguin signed a 6 year 34.5 million deal to start last season. Last season was the first year of a 6 year 36 million deal for Eberle. Skinner 6 years at 34.35 million. All these were players coming off of their ELC.

I don't know, I would hardly call the offer(s) made horrible. I certainly can't say that Johansen is better than Taveres or Seguin. Even if you want to make the argument that he is, it's not a significant enough gap to justify calling the offers "horrible".

Is your dislike for the front office clouding your judgement?

 

[Spartin03]

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins? Jordan Eberle?

But the CBJ don't have to commit that, just offer a fair bridge deal. Joey and his agent would be crazy to accept a long-term deal that pays him less than $6 million per since he will be worth much more than that in a year or two.

They should offer a bridge deal, 2-years, that isn't a slap in the face. 2 years, $6 million....that leaves our leading scorer and number one center making less per year than Foligno, Anisimov, Horton, Dubinsky, Hartnell, Jack, Wiz, Tyutin, just about everyone. Come on.

Didn't you tell me yesterday you would be comfortable with something similar to the Seguin deal? The CBJ offer is right in that ballpark that we discussed yesterday is it not?

 

[blahblah]

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins? Jordan Eberle?

Hopkins deal was baffling, but it's an anomaly and the Oilers. Eberle had more than one good year. His lockout season was very productive. Heck the offer isn't that far removed from Hall and he was coming off of two 20 or less PROD years. To be fair they are wings (Eberle and Hall); which is why I bought up Seguin and Taveres. Those are better comparisons and both had better overall starts to their careers.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Zherdve, you don't know a gosh darn thing about Joey. Have you ever met him? JD and JK have. They have worked with him. And they see a prima donna. It is that simple. They see a kid who they do not believe is committed to doing the hard work necessary to grow as a standout player in this league. It should be clear by now, JD and JK are clear about how they view him. So please, SHUT UP unless you actually have something to contribute to the debate. They do not trust his one good year which occurred during his contract year. That is it, pure and simple. For the love of all of our sanity, you would try , at least try, to make a comment that is relevant to the debate rather than your off the wall comments defending a kid you know absolutely nothing about from a character standpoint.

And before you say it, it is true, I don't know Joey either. But JD and JK do and they are respected professionals and I trust their judgment when it comes to measuring what is in a player's gut.

Over and out.

I get it, they don't trust his one good year. So offer him a 2 year bridge deal. If he fails then it's not a long-term commitment. But don't offer a bridge that pays him like a 3rd line ham and egg grindhouse, pay one that's fair for his production.

 

[Socks]

I get it, they don't trust his one good year. So offer him a 2 year bridge deal. If he fails then it's not a long-term commitment. But don't offer a bridge that pays him like a 3rd line ham and egg grindhouse, pay one that's fair for his production.

How is 8 years 6m 3rd line money?

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Didn't you tell me yesterday you would be comfortable with something similar to the Seguin deal? The CBJ offer is right in that ballpark that we discussed yesterday is it not?

Of course I would be, I want him here long term.

But the Seguin deal is an example of why it's a bad deal for the player - they sign a long term contract to stay with the team and take the discount, then they get traded, outperform their contract, but are stuck being underpaid for years.

 

[WannabeFinn]

How is 8 years 6m 3rd line money?

He was referring to the 2 yr, 3m AAV as being 3rd line money

 

[blahblah]

I get it, they don't trust his one good year. So offer him a 2 year bridge deal. If he fails then it's not a long-term commitment. But don't offer a bridge that pays him like a 3rd line ham and egg grindhouse, pay one that's fair for his production.

Have you been paying attention? These deals are in the ballpark of what was given to Stepan and Duchene. That's been what has been coming from the Jackets front office the last couple of days. If you want the bigger deal, sign a lower bridge. If you want a deal similar to other long term extensions we're going to pay you closer to Seguin.

 

[pete goegan]

I don't care how much he gets paid or how long he signs for. After all this crap, no matter what the terms, he'd better be the best player on the ice in Union Blue every single night.

 

[Socks]

He was referring to the 2 yr, 3m AAV as being 3rd line money

Gotcha.

 

[blahblah]

I don't care how much he gets paid or how long he signs for. After all this crap, no matter what the terms, he'd better be the best player on the ice in Union Blue every single night.

lol, nice stance.

 

[Forepar]

I don't care how much he gets paid or how long he signs for. After all this crap, no matter what the terms, he'd better be the best player on the ice in Union Blue every single night.

What about the few weekend day games?

Sorry my friend, I was looking for humor, because I've lost mine amidst this.