Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)

[Arch City Zach]

Why do so few people bring up the fact that Joey and his agent have apparently not asked for a long term deal? Everyone's like "sign him to a long term deal, keep him for 7-8 years!". Yet, the only deals we've heard about from their camp is a 2 year and a 4 year. Why don't they have a 8 year cap friendly deal? He says he wants to be here.

 

[EspenK]

Why do so few people bring up the fact that Joey and his agent have apparently not asked for a long term deal? Everyone's like "sign him to a long term deal, keep him for 7-8 years!". Yet, the only deals we've heard about from their camp is a 2 year and a 4 year. Why don't they have a 8 year cap friendly deal? He says he wants to be here.

My guess is that his agent knows that he will be leaving money on the table if he offers to sign for 8 years. The 4 year gives Joey all the leverage in the next deal so that is why that one is there and why it isn't going to happen.To me knowing that the Jackets are set on 2 (or possibly 3 years) I'd be trying to get the most $ possible now and go for the big dollars (not that 3.5-4 is chump change) in 2 years.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Why do so few people bring up the fact that Joey and his agent have apparently not asked for a long term deal? Everyone's like "sign him to a long term deal, keep him for 7-8 years!". Yet, the only deals we've heard about from their camp is a 2 year and a 4 year. Why don't they have a 8 year cap friendly deal? He says he wants to be here.

Front office is only willing to do a bridge deal.

 

[fox2usp]

Please provide multiple examples of these "maturity problems" you speak of...you act like this is a fact yet there is no evidence of this whatsoever.

And don't use the fact that he got scratched from an AHL playoff game 2 years ago. Completely irrelevant at this point. But since there are problem(s) plural I'm sure you have a whole list of other examples of his immature behavior, right?

I not sure why I'm bothering to reply, but the fact that he was scratched in the AHL playoffs is completely relevant, as well as running his mouth to Porty. Both are signs of immaturity. That he is willingly going along with outrageous contract demands is also immature. You seem to believe that only this past season is relevant and his value should be based on that. Sorry, that way of thinking left with Howson.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

I not sure why I'm bothering to reply, but the fact that he was scratched in the AHL playoffs is completely relevant, as well as running his mouth to Porty. Both are signs of immaturity. That he is willingly going along with outrageous contract demands is also immature. You seem to believe that only this past season is relevant and his value should be based on that. Sorry, that way of thinking left with Howson.

Seriously, those are the examples you are giving?

The NHL is a business and Johanssen's agent has every right to seek the best possible deal for his client. For you to think that the NHL isn't a business is the only thing immature.

As far as his interview to Porty, I guess you can say he was immature to actually speak his mind and be honest instead of giving the same old cliched answeres all athletes give, which I'm sure he'll do from now on. But I honestly can't believe his answer to a reporter and his agent negotiated are things you are using as a knock the kid's character after all the heart he showed last season. Shameful.

Immaturity is Jake Voracek speeding and crashing his Lambo. Immaturity is Claude Giroux getting arrested for drunkenly butt-patting a cop.

 

[skimp]

Seriously, those are the examples you are giving?

The NHL is a business and Johanssen's agent has every right to seek the best possible deal for his client. For you to think that the NHL isn't a business is the only thing immature.

As far as his interview to Porty, I guess you can say he was immature to actually speak his mind and be honest instead of giving the same old cliched answeres all athletes give, which I'm sure he'll do from now on. But I honestly can't believe his answer to a reporter and his agent negotiated are things you are using as a knock the kid's character after all the heart he showed last season. Shameful.

Immaturity is Jake Voracek speeding and crashing his Lambo. Immaturity is Claude Giroux getting arrested for drunkenly butt-patting a cop.

It was a Ferrari.

 

[EDM]

Immaturity is letting your agent talk you into missing part of your next training camp after you finally had a good year. Let's see if that happens.

 

[cslebn]

Immaturity is Jake Voracek speeding and crashing his Lambo. Immaturity is Claude Giroux getting arrested for drunkenly butt-patting a cop.

You forgot a drunk underage Patty Kane punching a cabby

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Immaturity is letting your agent talk you into missing part of your next training camp after you finally had a good year. Let's see if that happens.

So Dubinsky, PK Subban, Jamie Benn, Derek Stepan, Jaden Schwartz...all immature, right? Long list of players who have had RFA deals drag on. It doesn't mean they are low character or immature people. A lot of character bashing going on in this thread without a shred of evidence.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

You forgot a drunk underage Patty Kane punching a cabby

ah, that too. And Tyler Seguin's many antics of course.

 

[Nanabijou]

Offer sheets are drama for fans and people like Porty because they make for interesting what-if scenario's but they almost never happen and the fact that one isn't happening to Joey doesn't reflect poorly on him personally or professionally.

I agree with you that offer sheets are rare and the lack of one doesn't mean much. I'm curious to what you are thinking Joeys end game is here. Do you believe the cbj are going to change their mind and open their wallets when training camp opens? With no arbitration and no likely offer sheet, what is Joey planning to gain here.?He needs to know when to pick his battles, and his leverage is better on the next contract.

 

[major major]

So Elliotte Friedman has "information" (not from either camp, he says?) that Jarmo's offer is close to 4 and that Joey's camp has come down to 6. That's reassuring, because we can live with any of those numbers. Is Friedman right here?

http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worthreading/2014/9/8/friedman-blue-jackets-should-tread-carefully-with-johansen

 

[Samkow]

Friedman's one of my favs. He knows what he's talking about.

2 Years, 5 Million per. Do it.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

So Elliotte Friedman has "information" (not from either camp, he says?) that Jarmo's offer is close to 4 and that Joey's camp has come down to 6. That's reassuring, because we can live with any of those numbers. Is Friedman right here?

http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worthreading/2014/9/8/friedman-blue-jackets-should-tread-carefully-with-johansen

He might be, but seeing as it's a pretty safe concept, I'm calling he doesn't know ****.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

I agree with you that offer sheets are rare and the lack of one doesn't mean much. I'm curious to what you are thinking Joeys end game is here. Do you believe the cbj are going to change their mind and open their wallets when training camp opens? With no arbitration and no likely offer sheet, what is Joey planning to gain here.?He needs to know when to pick his battles, and his leverage is better on the next contract.

I think you and the other posters just need to quit being overdramatic and using such over the top language. His "endgame" is simply getting a contract that pays him fair market value, same as any other player.

What was Jamie Benn's endgame? What was PK Subban's endgame? What was Pietrangelo's endgame? They both held out and missed time into training camp, and even into the season: both are signed long-term and are franchise players and I don't believe their fanbases are filled with animosity towards them. None of them were considered "divas" or "immature." It's just business.

The negotiation is being handled by his agent. Joey is a 22 year old kid who has never been to college. It's in the hands of his agency who are just doing their job, trying to get him the best deal possible. His agent is known for taking his time and using holdouts as negotiation leverage, that's just his style of doing business. It has nothing to do with Joey the player or the person. There is no "battle" and it's wrong for fans to start taking a routine business negotiation between team and agent as personal slight from Joey to the team/fans/city. Just chillax and eventually he'll sign and be great again this year as our #1 center. And when that happens all the "trade joey" "ship his azz outta town" "he's a diva" people will feel as dumb as the people who were upset we traded Dorse.

 

[EspenK]

So Elliotte Friedman has "information" (not from either camp, he says?) that Jarmo's offer is close to 4 and that Joey's camp has come down to 6. That's reassuring, because we can live with any of those numbers. Is Friedman right here?

http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worthreading/2014/9/8/friedman-blue-jackets-should-tread-carefully-with-johansen

I'm going to wait for IHZ to let us know. Then the debate will be over.

The guy acknowledges that no one is talking and then basically covers all the bases that have been touched here more times than Barry Bonds touched on his way to 73 roid homers. Nothing new here.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

2 years 5.2 or 5.3 million. Get it done

 

[EDM]

Thinking you are worth $7 million per year after one good but not great season is another good example of immaturity.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Thinking you are worth $7 million per year after one good but not great season is another good example of immaturity.

You know HE himself isn't putting his own price tag right? That would be all his agents doing. Please...

 

[Nanabijou]

I think you and the other posters just need to quit being overdramatic and using such over the top language. His "endgame" is simply getting a contract that pays him fair market value, same as any other player.

What was Jamie Benn's endgame? What was PK Subban's endgame? What was Pietrangelo's endgame? They both held out and missed time into training camp, and even into the season: both are signed long-term and are franchise players and I don't believe their fanbases are filled with animosity towards them. None of them were considered "divas" or "immature." It's just business.

The negotiation is being handled by his agent. Joey is a 22 year old kid who has never been to college. It's in the hands of his agency who are just doing their job, trying to get him the best deal possible. His agent is known for taking his time and using holdouts as negotiation leverage, that's just his style of doing business. It has nothing to do with Joey the player or the person. There is no "battle" and it's wrong for fans to start taking a routine business negotiation between team and agent as personal slight from Joey to the team/fans/city. Just chillax and eventually he'll sign and be great again this year as our #1 center. And when that happens all the "trade joey" "ship his azz outta town" "he's a diva" people will feel as dumb as the people who were upset we traded Dorse.

Not sure what part of my post can be considered over-dramatic and 'over the top'. The word 'endgame' is over-dramatic to you? Ok...

Subban held out and got 2 years at less than 3 M AAV. What he got the next contract is irrelevant to what happened during the other negotiation. You mention that missing camp can be used as negotiation leverage and so I was curious what leverage you actually thought that was going to provide. Based on your answer, it looks like the same leverage it provided Subban, which is what I was thinking too.

 

[EDM]

Unthinkingly following your agent's stupid posturing is another sign of immaturity.

It is Joey's career. It is his teammates who could be hurt if he starts slowly after a hold out. He picked his agent. He is responsible for what his agent does.

 

[EDM]

I am sure the Jackets are delighted that a 22 year old who finally for one season began to fulfill his potential would see his absence from camp as a way to leverage a ridiculous contract.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Unthinkingly following your agent's stupid posturing is another sign of immaturity.

It is Joey's career. It is his teammates who could be hurt if he starts slowly after a hold out. He picked his agent. He is responsible for what his agent does.

I am sure the Jackets are delighted that a 22 year old who finally for one season began to fulfill his potential would see his absence from camp as a way to leverage a ridiculous contract.

What a joke. He's entitled to try to get what he deserves. He had a great year, and is seen as a high rising player in the NHL, he should be compensated as such. You can't fault someone for trying to get paid, he's not immature, it's just business. You're taking this way too far for no reason.

 

[Crede777]

He is entitled but what is the point? Hope for an offer sheet?

Although I think Johansen is listening to himself and Overhardt is acting in accordance with Joey's wishes.

 

[major major]

I'm going to wait for IHZ to let us know. Then the debate will be over.

The guy acknowledges that no one is talking and then basically covers all the bases that have been touched here more times than Barry Bonds touched on his way to 73 roid homers. Nothing new here.

It's news to me if Joey's camp has come down from 7 to 6.