Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)

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RT @RyanWalker78: @Aportzline @LucasDeBella1 Hazard a guess - will Johansen be under contract by then or not? / Start of camp? Don't see it.
 

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If Johanson is asking for more than 7 a year then I get it..but if he's askin for anything less then the Jackets management would he absolute morons for not signing him.
Sorry to put it so bluntly..but thats the truth..good luck finding another 22 year old 220 pound center proven to be capable of putting up over 60 pts in a season.
 

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If Johanson is asking for more than 7 a year then I get it..but if he's askin for anything less then the Jackets management would he absolute morons for not signing him.
Sorry to put it so bluntly..but thats the truth..good luck finding another 22 year old 220 pound center proven to be capable of putting up over 60 pts in a season.

The point is he's not proven. He did it once, after two forgettable seasons and maturity problems.
 

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If Johanson is asking for more than 7 a year then I get it..but if he's askin for anything less then the Jackets management would he absolute morons for not signing him.
Sorry to put it so bluntly..but thats the truth..good luck finding another 22 year old 220 pound center proven to be capable of putting up over 60 pts in a season.

It's thought processes like this that have destroyed the Edmonton Oilers.

How much did they sign Dustin Penner to again?
 

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Penner had 2, 20+ goal season and one over 30 goal season with the Oilers gettin paid 4.5 million per.
Not a great deal but certainly didnt put the Oilers in cap trouble.
Eberle, Hall and RNH would all be asking for 6 million + contracts if they were to re-up today..overpaid? Sure every hockey player is overpaid..but compared to the market..valuable.

Johanson is proven because he has scored 60 plus pts in a season..can he keep doing it? I dunno..u guys watched more Blue Jackets games than I did..did he show game in and game out that he's that guy? Does he have a good attitude? I'm leaning on him bein more than capable..high draft pedigree..young center..needed to fill out..but I aint tne expert..u guys watched him
 

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It's more than whether he has just earned it or not.

They WANT him to be extremely motivated during the next 2 seasons to keep improving. They feel that giving him a large contract now will result in Johansen not working as hard as he should.

They also realize that this sets a major precedent both in terms of Johansen's future worth as well as the worth of other young players the team has such as Jenner, Murray, potentially Wennberg and some others.
 

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Penner had 2, 20+ goal season and one over 30 goal season with the Oilers gettin paid 4.5 million per.
Not a great deal but certainly didnt put the Oilers in cap trouble.
Eberle, Hall and RNH would all be asking for 6 million + contracts if they were to re-up today..overpaid? Sure every hockey player is overpaid..but compared to the market..valuable.

Johanson is proven because he has scored 60 plus pts in a season..can he keep doing it? I dunno..u guys watched more Blue Jackets games than I did..did he show game in and game out that he's that guy? Does he have a good attitude? I'm leaning on him bein more than capable..high draft pedigree..young center..needed to fill out..but I aint tne expert..u guys watched him

You're describing my point exactly. Eberle, Hall, and Nugent-Hopkins have all been given $6m/year contracts for the foreseeable future ... but what have they proven? Sure, they are all capable enough offensive players, but all were thrust into roles they aren't ready for, and hence the Oilers struggling with three guys who are making too much money to do too much on the ice. Yes, they can all produce offensively, but none of them are ready for top-line matchups. That's why the Oilers keep drafting in the top-5.

We went through the same thing with Derick Brassard. He was given too much money and thrust into a premier role before his time. He struggled mightily and floundered before being dealt to New York where, guess what? He's making too much money and playing out of his element.

You aren't talking to people who don't know what they're talking about here. This discussion has been beaten from every angle, and 95% of the posters here are fine with the Jackets not paying him the $7m/year he's asking for. You are in the 5%.

Ryan Johansen only just started to show he's ready for top line matchups on a nightly basis, and even in our playoff run they tried not to match him up against Crosby or Malkin. Until he's ready to do that shift by shift and still produce, why should he be making Crosby or Malkin money?
 

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You're describing my point exactly. Eberle, Hall, and Nugent-Hopkins have all been given $6m/year contracts for the foreseeable future ... but what have they proven? Sure, they are all capable enough offensive players, but all were thrust into roles they aren't ready for, and hence the Oilers struggling with three guys who are making too much money to do too much on the ice. Yes, they can all produce offensively, but none of them are ready for top-line matchups. That's why the Oilers keep drafting in the top-5.

We went through the same thing with Derick Brassard. He was given too much money and thrust into a premier role before his time. He struggled mightily and floundered before being dealt to New York where, guess what? He's making too much money and playing out of his element.

You aren't talking to people who don't know what they're talking about here. This discussion has been beaten from every angle, and 95% of the posters here are fine with the Jackets not paying him the $7m/year he's asking for. You are in the 5%.

Ryan Johansen only just started to show he's ready for top line matchups on a nightly basis, and even in our playoff run they tried not to match him up against Crosby or Malkin. Until he's ready to do that shift by shift and still produce, why should he be making Crosby or Malkin money?

Brassard isnt close to the talent level that Hall, Hopkins and Eberle are, not now not in their rookie yrs..

A comparable for Brassard might be Sam Gagner..but he put up an insane amount of pts in junior..scored 49 pts as a rookie..not really thrown to the wolves..just never really improved after.

Hall, Hopkins, and Eberle all had great rookie seasons and have only improved since..theyre not the reason for the Oilers struggles..oiler struggles have more to do with bad goaltending and lack of depth.

Johanson looked like a bust until now..he finally came around after adding a ton of muscle to his frame 1.5 yrs ago..blue jackets should just sign him already. 7 yrs..6.5 per. Any other team would jump at that.
 

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Any other team with good management would try to sign a bridge deal because that is the logical thing to do.
 

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Give him a two year 3.5 per season bridge deal..then he'll ask for 8 million per season on a long term after...why not just sign him longterm now? If he plays over 70 games next season I would bet 100 bucks with anybody here that he gets over 60 pts.
 

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The point is he's not proven. He did it once, after two forgettable seasons and maturity problems.

Just chiming in to say WE HAVE GOT TO STOP with this "2 forgettable seasons" hogwash. If you think Joey had 2 forgettable seasons, one of which was his ROOKIE season, such that last season is equivalent to a normal NHL season (for ANY player, never mind a 20 year old sophomore with no training camp to speak of and a new head coach) then you are just simply distorting reality. The problem with that isn't that you're being too much of a hard ass for your own good, it's that you will get bit in the ass when the market determines the value of Joey, to your detriment, and it's a lot higher than you think it ought to be.

It's more than whether he has just earned it or not.

They WANT him to be extremely motivated during the next 2 seasons to keep improving. They feel that giving him a large contract now will result in Johansen not working as hard as he should.

They also realize that this sets a major precedent both in terms of Johansen's future worth as well as the worth of other young players the team has such as Jenner, Murray, potentially Wennberg and some others.

This is all pie in the sky abstraction. Those might be the reasons management is holding so firmly to what they're holding to, and they might not. For my part, if that's how they're approaching it, they're being ridiculous. They have a locker room, they have developed a culture (right?), so they have to trust in the work they've done to compel Joey to play hard regardless of his paycheck. That's not to say they shouldn't be careful in their negotiations, but if they are withholding salary because they think it will corrupt him, then they have no faith in the culture they're representing.

As far as setting precedents, obviously it would be good to set a precedent to elite-level players that Columbus is a team that will reward high-level play with appropriate compensation. You guys want to lowball Murray when he shows he's a franchise D-man, so another team can come in a woo him with an offer sheet?

This is almost all about Columbus approaching this like small market amateurs. Pay. The. Man.
 

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Give him a two year 3.5 per season bridge deal..then he'll ask for 8 million per season on a long term after...why not just sign him longterm now? If he plays over 70 games next season I would bet 100 bucks with anybody here that he gets over 60 pts.

Because we're not making the same mistake we made with Derick BRassard when he got his big money a year when he showed promise. For Johansen, When the Vezina trophy winning goalie got a bridge deal just a year before Johansen did, you have no reason to believe he won't either.

His side caved on the years, now the Jackets need to give a little on the money. He gets signed before the season starts.
 

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Just chiming in to say WE HAVE GOT TO STOP with this "2 forgettable seasons" hogwash.

It keeps being said because it's very relevant. He was on the verge of being called a bust before this season. The NHL history is full of players that had one good year. Brassard and Mason were both paid on expectation and never earned their contract after. Why do we want to risk getting burned again, plus set an example for the future youngsters? Would it be a good thing for the prospects to see a guy have one good year, pout, mouth off to the press, play immature hold out games only to get his way and get big $$$? I think that would be a very dangerous precedent to set. I think the longer Johansen holds out, the more he hurts his value when this is finally settled. Joey is getting extremely bad advice from an agent who is known for this dumb tactic. It hurts his client and the team he plays for. With the absence of an offer sheet, Joey will come to the table and negotiate in a reasonable fashion, or he won't play in the NHL. I don't see teams standing in line to offer sheet him, so it's reasonable to assume that other teams have the same reservations as the CBJ management.
 

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Brassard isnt close to the talent level that Hall, Hopkins and Eberle are, not now not in their rookie yrs..

A comparable for Brassard might be Sam Gagner..but he put up an insane amount of pts in junior..scored 49 pts as a rookie..not really thrown to the wolves..just never really improved after.

Hall, Hopkins, and Eberle all had great rookie seasons and have only improved since..theyre not the reason for the Oilers struggles..oiler struggles have more to do with bad goaltending and lack of depth.

Johanson looked like a bust until now..he finally came around after adding a ton of muscle to his frame 1.5 yrs ago..blue jackets should just sign him already. 7 yrs..6.5 per. Any other team would jump at that.

If any team would jump at that then why hasn't anyone? "Any team" can send over that offer sheet right now. I still don't understand why other teams fans can't grasp the concept that while you MAY (depends on consistent production) pay more in the long term, a bridge also allows the team to gain an additional couple years before the player reaches UFA status. That is a benefit that is dismissed far too often in these discussions. In the post above you said for two years he's looked like a bust, and in the same breathe suggest a long term deal after a single productive year. If you're suggesting another team should follow the Oiler's lead in running a franchise, you better be referencing the 80's, otherwise... :shakehead
 

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Give him a two year 3.5 per season bridge deal..then he'll ask for 8 million per season on a long term after...why not just sign him longterm now? If he plays over 70 games next season I would bet 100 bucks with anybody here that he gets over 60 pts.

because that's terrible asset management...sign him to a bridge, he works his ass off and earns 8m then GREAT...i'm all for paying it...until he EARNS 8m though...you don't pay it...
 

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If any team would jump at that then why hasn't anyone? "Any team" can send over that offer sheet right now. I still don't understand why other teams fans can't grasp the concept that while you MAY (depends on consistent production) pay more in the long term, a bridge also allows the team to gain an additional couple years before the player reaches UFA status. That is a benefit that is dismissed far too often in these discussions. In the post above you said for two years he's looked like a bust, and in the same breathe suggest a long term deal after a single productive year.

Leaving out your last point but you're correct in that people seem to be assuming that the notion a bridge-to-long-term scenario will cost the team more is somehow lost on the team - like we're the only ones who know this. Of course the team knows this, and it appears to be a risk it is will to take.
 

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I don't see teams standing in line to offer sheet him, so it's reasonable to assume that other teams have the same reservations as the CBJ management.

No, it's a completely non-reasonable assumption to anyone who follows hockey.

If you think it is reasonable, then answer me this question: When was the last time a team offer sheeted young RFA coming off his entry level deal? You and the others on this board making that inane argument act as if every talented RFA who doesn't signed before July gets offer sheeted if other teams think they're good players.

If PK Subban and Jamie Benn and Steven Stamkos and Derik Stepan and Alex Peitrangero etc didn't get offer sheets, or current guys like Jaden Schwartz aren't getting offer sheets, I don't understand how you can seriously attempt to make the "league has reservations about him since no one is offer sheeting him."

Offer sheets are drama for fans and people like Porty because they make for interesting what-if scenario's but they almost never happen and the fact that one isn't happening to Joey doesn't reflect poorly on him personally or professionally.
 
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The point is he's not proven. He did it once, after two forgettable seasons and maturity problems.

Please provide multiple examples of these "maturity problems" you speak of...you act like this is a fact yet there is no evidence of this whatsoever.

And don't use the fact that he got scratched from an AHL playoff game 2 years ago. Completely irrelevant at this point. But since there are problem(s) plural I'm sure you have a whole list of other examples of his immature behavior, right?
 

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Please provide multiple examples of these "maturity problems" you speak of...you act like this is a fact yet there is no evidence of this whatsoever.

And don't use the fact that he got scratched from an AHL playoff game 2 years ago. Completely irrelevant at this point. But since there are problem(s) plural I'm sure you have a whole list of other examples of his immature behavior, right?

I don't get the "immature" comments either. His agent is just doing his job. Period...end of story.
 

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because that's terrible asset management...sign him to a bridge, he works his ass off and earns 8m then GREAT...i'm all for paying it...until he EARNS 8m though...you don't pay it...

I really hope we have a stud center that EARNS a huge contract during his bridge. I think JD/JK are being very smart and shrewd with asset management.
 
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