CBJWerenski8
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Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)
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CBJWerenski8
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This, although the way he carries out his arguments I don't agree with sometimes, he knows what he's talking about with this.
As I understand the word "clutch" I would think of someone who would come up with a big play(s) when we needed it. I think Calvert was clutch in that series. As was Dubie. Arguably even RJ or Foligno. I saw nothing by Joey that fit within the definition of "clutch" that I set forth above. Joey did his job, although it was primarily Dubie who shut down Sid.
WannabeFinn
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Jenner should be included in that list. 3 goals and 5 points from a rookie is pretty damn good.
CBJWerenski8
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I explained what I meant. But frankly, he had only 2 goals and was -2. To me, that is was pretty average for a $ 7 million dollar man.
He was our leading goal scorer last year. Considering we squeaked in to the playoffs, it is safe to say we do not make the playoffs without his performance.
5 of those goals were game winners, tied for the team lead. What is more clutch than a game winning goal? He was second on the team in powerplay points, which are critical and often the momentum shifts in a game. Also clutch.
He also tied for the team lead in games played. One of only three guys to play all 82 games. Speaks to his conditioning level and the fact that the team could rely on him night in and night out last year.
You said his "clutch" play included the playoffs. And quite simply, it did not.
If you had referred to him being "clutch" during the regular season, I would have agreed. He had several "clutch" goals during the regular season. No question about that.
If you had referred to him being "clutch" during the regular season, I would have agreed. He had several "clutch" goals during the regular season. No question about that.
http://www.capgeek.com/player/1873
He was not a $7 million man last year, although a lot of the money he did earn was tied into performance bonuses he achieved.
You know earned $6 million last year? James Wisneiwski. He arguably had the worst performance of any defenseman in the entire NHL during the playoffs. Horton made $5 million, and didn't play a single second playoff run...yet its paying Johansen you are concerned about? Over a 2 year term?
The -2 isn't a bad stat at all, I'd argue it's a positive one considering the amount of ice time he was getting and the fact that he was playing against the top players in the world. We'd all feel a lot better if Joey was signed right now but I am at a total loss as to why you seem to be so anti-Joey as both a person and a player, after what he did for the team last year and what he means to the franchise going forward.
It is my recollection that Dubie and Anisimov played most of the time against the Pen's star centers. Not Joey.
CBJWerenski8
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Are you trying to divert the conversation to Wisneiwski because the noose you put around your own neck is getting a little tight? Wiz has his own thread.
He was absolutely "clutch" during the playoffs. He had a goal and assist in both of the playoff games we won. Also assisted on the lone CBJ goal in game 6. His post-season stats look great compared to the rest of the team and they also look good when you factor in the game situations.
http://bluejackets.nhl.com/club/stats.htm?gameType=3&season=20132014&srt=p
http://espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=400552533
Take a look at the box score .... Joey looks pretty instrumental in coming back from that 3 goal deficit.
Take a look at the box score .... Joey looks pretty instrumental in coming back from that 3 goal deficit.
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May 20-21/2013: 'The way center Ryan Johansen finished the season in Columbus — strong defensively and effective between wingers R.J. Umberger and Nick Foligno — gave the Blue Jackets hope that he had moved beyond needing constant prodding to stay motivated'...'Not quite yet, apparently'.
Brad Larsen: “It’s not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do,â€...“But, to be honest with you, it wasn’t all that hard of a decision...“We talked after Game 2, and I tried to ramp him up. In Game 3, we just felt like he wasn’t all there, like he wasn’t invested 100 percent.â€..."but our whole team — our whole season — has been based on accountability. I didn’t want to change that philosophy at this point.â€..."(Ryan) was trying, as best as Ryan knows how. He needed to elevate his game on a compete level, and it wasn’t there. You have to up the ante to be a difference-maker at this level and in the playoffs. I didn’t feel like he was there. I didn’t feel like he was all in."
Kekalainen was asked if Johansen's need for a frequent prodding raises a red flag about his career trajectory. His response, essentially, was "we'll see."
Kek: “As with any young player, there’s a learning curve, It’s all about learning, learning to be a pro. The one thing I think is important with our organization is that everybody has to earn their ice time, earn their role.(MONEY!?!) If you don’t earn it, you’re going to sit."...“The reason we sent him to the minors was that it would be a great experience for him. The AHL playoffs have been a great learning experience for some of the best players in the NHL today.â€
You seem to think "bench gate" happened like 2 years ago. It was just last summer that it happened and all of this was said. And while he definitely had flashes of "dominant play" last year it wasn't as consistent or even as "dominant" as you and others are trying to portray. And nobody is questioning his motivation last year. The thing people have questions or "concerns" about is why did it take him up till this year(a contract year) to seem fully committed to pretty much everything? And now his contract demands seem to be only taking this past year into account.
JKinCLE
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Do we make it without Bobrovsky? How about Dubinsky? Johnson? And even though you admit he was the worst defenseman in the NHL playoffs last year, what about the "dominant" season our boy James Wisniewski had on the point on the PP? And what about the lockout year? We missed by 1 point. In the Western Conference. What was our superstar doin that year? I know you think he was "shuttin' down" Joe Thornton all year but he wasn't.
Clutch? Critical? Pretty sure you're in the group that says all goals are "equal" right?? There's momentum shifts during PP goals, you don't say. Don't make me bust out my 'momentum shifts /60 min non-shorthanded situations' chart.....
KJ Dangler
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Joey was good last year, but i have serious doubts he can replicate last years season to be honest. I have to agree , he was average in the playoffs, Dubinsky, and Jenner come to mind as guys that carried us in our playoffs. I swear Zherdev, has to be Johansens agent. We posted his comparisons to Stephan, he argues it shouldnt apply because although Stephan was much more productive, and has much better stats, the 3.5 mill he was paid is chump change because joey has potential
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