Ryan Johansen II (contract etc)

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What will we have to pay a young player who has multpile good seasons or at least one great one if we give Johansen $7 million for one good, not even great, season? You not only have to worry about the contracts you are giving out now, but how those contracts will impact future contracts.
 
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We still have 2 years of ELC for Jenner/Murray and 3+ years of ELC for Wennberg/Rychel/Dano, etc. I think some are worrying a little too much about their future contracts.

Not all of our prospects are going to be like Johansen and cost us 5m+ per year right off their ELCs.

But we also have to re-sign Bob, possibly Foligno and Artie,allow for the possibility of JJ and Wiz to be re-signed plus Cam and Calvert. Lots of guys who will eat up dollars or be gone.

I don't see potential cap issues for at least three years but it could happen if Jarmo caves on Joey. I don't think he will but even if he doesn't he has to be cognizant of the future. As stated above this deal will also set a precedent of sorts for all the other guys coming up.
 

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And the sun always rises in the East. You're offering a generalization and I'm talking about specific players here.
That's great, tell jarmo that he can pay Joey what ever he wants, because the Columbus Blue-Ryanjohansens need not worry about cap management . Pretty sure Pub is talking about why u can't hand out ludacris contracts , as it impacts what team you can field now, and in the future. It's very possible that wennberg makes the team out of camp, and Rychel could see significant time with the jackets as well. You'll have bobs new contract to deal with, Ryan Murray , he was the second pick, what if he has an outstanding year this year. Lots of variables, a good gm has to plan steps ahead .
 
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That's great, tell jarmo that he can pay Joey what ever he wants, because the Columbus Blue-Ryanjohansens need not worry about cap management . Pretty sure Pub is talking about why u can't hand out ludacris contracts , as it impacts what team you can field now, and in the future. It's very possible that wennberg makes the team out of camp, and Rychel could see significant time with the jackets as well. You'll have bobs new contract to deal with, Ryan Murray , he was the second pick, what if he has an outstanding year this year. Lots of variables, a good gm has to plan steps ahead .

Have you even looked at CapGeek? Wennberg, Rychel, and all our other "surefire can't miss superstar prospects" can be RFAs in 2017-18.

Currently, the Jackets only have 3 forward contracts committed into that year. Dubinsky, Hartnell, and Horton. And only 2 defense contracts, Tyutin and Jack. Obviously, Johansen, Bob, Boone and Murray will be re-signed but even taking that into consideration, cap space and flexibility in 2017-2018 doesn't project to being an issue.

If anything, your argument about wanting to save space for those guys just supports the argument for a long-term deal for Joey, rather than a bridge, which would mean he would be due for a big raise right before those RFAs come up.:teach2:

Also, your "Columbus Blue-Ryanjohansens" insinuates he is somehow all about himself and not the team, and there is no evidence of that whatsoever. He is a popular guy in the room and a good kid. So cool it with that unless you can link me to something factual indicating otherwise.
 
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That's great, tell jarmo that he can pay Joey what ever he wants, because the Columbus Blue-Ryanjohansens need not worry about cap management . Pretty sure Pub is talking about why u can't hand out ludacris contracts , as it impacts what team you can field now, and in the future. It's very possible that wennberg makes the team out of camp, and Rychel could see significant time with the jackets as well. You'll have bobs new contract to deal with, Ryan Murray , he was the second pick, what if he has an outstanding year this year. Lots of variables, a good gm has to plan steps ahead .

All of your rebuttles are good problems to have..
 

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While I want to see Joey signed yesterday, I think his agent is doing exactly what he is paid to do. This doesn't make either a bad guy, but frustrating until it gets done. Will be fun to see how Joey responds on the ice. Skating talks, ******** walks. :D
 

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Joeys contract will be the cornerstone contract for the young players coming off their ELCs, Jarmo has to make sure he handles this one right.
 

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Joeys contract will be the cornerstone contract for the young players coming off their ELCs, Jarmo has to make sure he handles this one right.

Every young player is not Ryan Johansen. Few of them are. So no. Kerby Rychel and Marko Dano's second contracts will probably not come close to Joeys.
 

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Every young player is not Ryan Johansen. Few of them are. So no. Kerby Rychel and Marko Dano's second contracts will probably not come close to Joeys.

Just because they're not close to his doesn't mean they won't use his contract as a base for their contracts to compare from.
 

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Every young player is not Ryan Johansen. Few of them are. So no. Kerby Rychel and Marko Dano's second contracts will probably not come close to Joeys.

Maybe, maybe not, who knows. Regardless Joey is no where near a 7 mill per season player. I'm glad we have Jarmo, and Jd running the show, they have shown to be quite good with their contracts they hand out. As for Joey if he sticks to his guns on this and misses camp, you will see people turn against him quick. I like the guy, but honestly, I have reservations if he has the skill and heart to do what he did last year on a consistent basis. And the whole 7 mill, screams primodanna to me.
 
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Maybe, maybe not, who knows. Regardless Joey is no where near a 7 mill per season player. I'm glad we have Jarmo, and Jd running the show, they have shown to be quite good with their contracts they hand out. As for Joey if he sticks to his guns on this and misses camp, you will people turn against him quick. I like the guy, but honestly, I have reservations if he has the skill and heart to do what he did last year on a consistent basis. And the whole 7 mill, screams primodanna to me.

It's not a maybe. Brayden Schenn didn't demand or expect Claude Grioux's contract, Tyler Johnson won't demand the same contract as Steven Stamkos. It's not my opinion; that's how the business works. Show me a team where all the position players demanded and received equal contracts.

I and the rest of "my people" are not going to turn against the team's best offensive player just because his agent is taking his time in working out a new contract for his client.

Did Dallas fans turn on Jamie Benn? Did Montreal fans turn on PK Subban? Did Rangers fans turn on Derek Stepan and Brandon Dubinsky? Sure they maybe got antsy and wanted the contract done, but come on. I bet those fans are happy those players didn't get their "azzez" shipped out of town for being "primadonnas" just because their contracts took some time.

Tyson Barrie, Eric Gelinas, and other RFAs still remain unsigned, it's pretty common that some RFAs deals to take the whole summer and maybe some of camp. Your overdramatic, sensationalized rantings do nothing but expose your lack of hockey knowledge and your baseless attacks on Ryan Johansen just expose your lack of class. Maybe as a frontrunning Buckeyes fans you expect players to put in all on the line for nothing but the enjoyment of fans, but this is pro sports and teams and the league make millions and the players deserve their share. I'm not sure if you have a job, but I'm guessing if you did you would prefer to be paid what you're worth and not just take the first lowball salary offer you receive.

:bb:
 

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Put me down as one of those who "turns against" Joey once the hold out from training starts (if it does). If he is still holding for $7 million and missing training camp, at that point Joey attains "punk" status in my book.
 

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Put me down as one of those who "turns against" Joey once the hold out from training starts (if it does). If he is still holding for $7 million and missing training camp, at that point Joey attains "punk" status in my book.

Agreed.

My allegiance as a fan is to the team. I don't support players who detract from the team or make it worse.
 

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Without knowing specific details, how on earth can you automatically, arbitrarily blame a guy once the impasse reaches training camp?

If this gets really ugly and costs this team the player then Jarmo will have really **** the bed with Ryan Johansen.
 

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Without knowing specific details, how on earth can you automatically, arbitrarily blame a guy once the impasse reaches training camp?

If this gets really ugly and costs this team the player then Jarmo will have really **** the bed with Ryan Johansen.

When I read your first sentence I couldn't tell if the guy you were referring to was Jarmo or Joey. Then I read your second sentence! Self awareness problem? :laugh::laugh:
 

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Without knowing specific details, how on earth can you automatically, arbitrarily blame a guy once the impasse reaches training camp?

If this gets really ugly and costs this team the player then Jarmo will have really **** the bed with Ryan Johansen.

You make assumptions he will duplicate or better his past performance. No guarantees with that. Hence the negotiating gap. Johansen could be the next Zherdev if we look back on this in 5 years. He was a 60 point player too.

If thats the case, then Jarmo looks like a genius. You can't assume one way or the other unless you are Biff Tannen with a sports almanac from the future.
 

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For the life of me, I can't figure out how Jarmo is the bad guy in all of this. The risk is all his (and the franchise's). It's easy to say "throw $7 million at him!" when your job isn't on the line.

Ryan comes out of this at the very least quadrupling his salary, even if we are on the low end of the negotiating scale. He's going to get paid regardless. He has nothing to lose whatsoever. Why are we quibbling about whether he'll be able to buy 2 Ferraris instead of 4??
 

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For the life of me, I can't figure out how Jarmo is the bad guy in all of this. The risk is all his (and the franchise's). It's easy to say "throw $7 million at him!" when your job isn't on the line.

Ryan comes out of this at the very least quadrupling his salary, even if we are on the low end of the negotiating scale. He's going to get paid regardless. He has nothing to lose whatsoever. Why are we quibbling about whether he'll be able to buy 2 Ferraris instead of 4??

People are just impatient. I don't know why people around here hate on Jarmo, I think he's done a good job, especially with contracts. IF/when we sign Johansen, then it will likely be a good deal for us. If we have to trade him, bet we get a great return and continue this team mentality. Obviously choice A is the most likely and the best scenario, but it's a win-win for us.
 

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And the sun always rises in the East. You're offering a generalization and I'm talking about specific players here.

People are just impatient. I don't know why people around here hate on Jarmo, I think he's done a good job, especially with contracts. IF/when we sign Johansen, then it will likely be a good deal for us. If we have to trade him, bet we get a great return and continue this team mentality. Obviously choice A is the most likely and the best scenario, but it's a win-win for us.

Spot on . Agree 100%
 

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Tweets from Porty:

https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/505692874789621760
#CBJ would have liked Ryan Johansen to remain in Columbus this summer, workout with group in town. But reports from pick-up practices ...

https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/505693023435759616
... in IceHaus suggest Johansen is in very good shape, noticeably thicker and stronger in upper body.

https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/505693367838441472
Johansen will likely top out -- soon -- at 6-4, 225 ... which is just about prototype size for a No. 1 center.
 
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