Nah, he won't get nearly that much. He'll need to take that "joke" 5mil/year contract if he wants to play NHL hockey this season.
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Nah, he won't get nearly that much. He'll need to take that "joke" 5mil/year contract if he wants to play NHL hockey this season.
I donno how 2 million is a lot, Clarkson got 5million for 10 goals.
Johansen is worth 7 people.
oh come on, that's probably the only comparable negotiation in this team's history, so if you're going to hold onto it like it's a cautionary tale, you're content to keep this team a small potatoes franchise.
Jackets need to pony up
Clarkson was a UFA and the Leafs are idiots. Completely different situations.
Is your opinion here based on Joey's (agent's) 6 mill. + number?
This is what bothers me, that the contract negotiations chill is falling on Joey's shoulders. We don't know much about Jarmo, but we may safely be able to say that
1. He's evidently comfortable ripping off RFA's, or at least squeezing them into contracts a bit too small
2. He's evidently of the opinion that bridge deals are SOP regardless of any other factors
If I were a young RFA who led my team in goals last year and was 11th overall in goal scoring in the NHL, those two tendencies of my GM would certainly frustrate me.
As it is, I'm just a fan of my team and I'm probably getting disenchanted with JK at the same rate you're getting disenchanted with Joey. And this isn't directly at you in particular; I sometimes get the sense that the player is taking the blame in general.
That 10 goal year was clearly and off year and probably a huge reason that he is even on our team at the moment. People trying to hate on Dubinsky always bring up the 2 goals in the lockout year. You did mention that it was a short season, but you don't bring up that he was hurt and actually missed close to 20 games also. Or that he had 18 assists and 20 points in 29 games while our superstar had 5(FIVE) goals and 7 assists in 40 games. Again, that's 12 points in 40 games. Dubinsky had 18 assists in 29 games. I'd also like to add that besides Dubinsky's short time in the ECHL during the lockout he's had more assists than goals in every junior or pro season in his career.
So actually yes, your numbers do lie.
At this point, I accept that both Jarmo and the agent are just doing their jobs. Should Johansen miss the start of camp, I, for one, will place more blame on him, because I find the team's bargaining position more valid. You, obviously, feel otherwise.
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Stay the course and hold steady, Jarmo. My thoughts on this really haven't changed much since the first reports in early July that the two sides weren't close. I figured then that nothing would happen until training camp got at least really close. 4 million seems like a reasonable starting point for negotiation on the CBJ side, with something around 5 being their target. I originally thought in July that Joey would get a 'Bob' contract, but I think I'd take the under right now.
Part of the fallout from the lockout was that the owners really gained firm control of both the entry and second (bridge) contracts. While I hated the lockout, this was the one consequence that I thought was good. I hated when teams give out longterm big-money contracts mainly on potential when there is a pretty sparse track record and I still do (I'm looking at you, Edmonton).
If Joey misses any camp, it is an awful risk he's taking. Unless they can convince a team to serve up a nice offer sheet, he really has no leverage in this matter. He's only going to hurt himself by missing time. He gets off to a slow start, it could affect the bottom line for his third contract. He's going to have more money than Scrooge McDuck in two years if he stays the course - I'm not sure why he's decided it's so important to get his big payday now.
Part of the fallout from the lockout was that the owners really gained firm control of both the entry and second (bridge) contracts. While I hated the lockout, this was the one consequence that I thought was good. I hated when teams give out longterm big-money contracts mainly on potential when there is a pretty sparse track record and I still do (I'm looking at you, Edmonton).
If Joey misses any camp, it is an awful risk he's taking. Unless they can convince a team to serve up a nice offer sheet, he really has no leverage in this matter. He's only going to hurt himself by missing time. He gets off to a slow start, it could affect the bottom line for his third contract. He's going to have more money than Scrooge McDuck in two years if he stays the course - I'm not sure why he's decided it's so important to get his big payday now.
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Sergei Bobrovsky won the Vezina in 2012-2013 season, after which he took a deal that will pay him 5.6 million this year. He won the Vezina, for the BEST goalie in the entire league.
Was RJ the best center in the league last year/ not even close we all know.
If RJ thinks he deserves anything more than a bridge deal for anything more than 4.7-5.2/year for the next 2 years he is irrational, he hasn't come close to proving he deserves the money or years he is asking for. He had ONE good year, ONE
Hope I am wrong, but I can totally see him turning into a complete cancer for the organization, especially if he has the desire to play for another team when he becomes a UFA.
Was RJ the best center in the league last year/ not even close we all know.
If RJ thinks he deserves anything more than a bridge deal for anything more than 4.7-5.2/year for the next 2 years he is irrational, he hasn't come close to proving he deserves the money or years he is asking for. He had ONE good year, ONE
Hope I am wrong, but I can totally see him turning into a complete cancer for the organization, especially if he has the desire to play for another team when he becomes a UFA.
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And John Tavares is making $5.5 million/year for the next four years. Since we're making comparisons.
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If Johansen ends up being 1/2 the player Tavares is, I'd be happy.
Additionally, Steven Stamkos is making 7.5 average on his deal until 2016 and he has 3 40+ goal seasons under his belt and would have easily destroyed the 40 goal mark if he hadn't been injured last season and missed 40+ games.
Johansen being worth 7 is laughable at this point in comparison to those 2 players.
Remember to add ~10% for every year ago the contract was signed. $5.5m for Tavares would be closer $7m now. Also remember that the entire league agrees that Tavares is underpaid. "What is this a Tavares contract?!!" is what agents say when teams lowball them.
But Tavares, after a ~67 pt campaign, had a point per game season before he signed his deal. So it would be an easy comparison only if Joey goes point-per-game next year.
But Tavares, after a ~67 pt campaign, had a point per game season before he signed his deal. So it would be an easy comparison only if Joey goes point-per-game next year.
Sore Loser
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So you prefer the Clarkson comparison then? That's why I threw the comparison in there, because comparisons like that are ridiculous and never fair.
He's a good player. Had one really good year. Pay him based on that ($5-6M) fairly short term and see what we have. If he stays at his current level then deal with him again in 2 years (but keep him hungry for next contract), if he becomes and elite player then it's a great problem on how to pay him for next contract.
Too many times this team gets excited over a good year and locks someone up for way too long (the dollars are often reasonable in LT deal) but with young players I'd go short term and keep them hungry.
Both sides are doing the right thing. They'll figure something out.
Too many times this team gets excited over a good year and locks someone up for way too long (the dollars are often reasonable in LT deal) but with young players I'd go short term and keep them hungry.
Both sides are doing the right thing. They'll figure something out.
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I got nothing else on this topic except to echo these. I will confess to being more bored than frustrated that it hasn't been settled, if only because it seems relatively obvious and simple. But what are you gonna do?
My disenchantment with Joey is that I don't understand why he has chosen this very early point in this career to create a fight. If this is how he wants to act now, there is little chance to keep him once he is a UFA. He will be gone to one of the teams with the big check books. So I am beginning to think the Great Divorce is, ultimately, almost inevitable.
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I don't really have a disenchantment with the kid. He is obligated to try to get as much as he can. The team is obligated to get him for as little as they can.
I suppose my stance is, if someone were to be blamed, it would be whichever side refuses to enter the $5-6 million AAV range.
If management takes the stance of $4.00 million per year and not a penny more, then I think it is fair to say they are wrong and acting stupidly.
Likewise, if Johansen is saying $7.00 million and not a dollar less, then he is wrong and acting stupidly.
When it comes down to it, I suppose I support the team over the player. I don't have Ryan Johansen season tickets, I have CBJ season tickets. The important thing to me is that the team is good. That means knowing how to manage good players. I know I disagree with some of Jarmo's moves, but in the end he and Davidson know better than anybody else.
I suppose my stance is, if someone were to be blamed, it would be whichever side refuses to enter the $5-6 million AAV range.
If management takes the stance of $4.00 million per year and not a penny more, then I think it is fair to say they are wrong and acting stupidly.
Likewise, if Johansen is saying $7.00 million and not a dollar less, then he is wrong and acting stupidly.
When it comes down to it, I suppose I support the team over the player. I don't have Ryan Johansen season tickets, I have CBJ season tickets. The important thing to me is that the team is good. That means knowing how to manage good players. I know I disagree with some of Jarmo's moves, but in the end he and Davidson know better than anybody else.
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WannabeFinn
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It's quite amazing to see how long we can bicker about a situation which has essentially been nothing more than rehashed to us for many weeks now.
The agent may use tactics that annoy fans, but he's just doing his job. If all the agent did was accept the initial offer from the FO then what the f$%^ is the player paying the agent for?
Joey hired the guy to increase his stacks o' cash. Jarmo and JD have seen this situation many times before and know how it's going to end. If the agent caved on the deal before his client was in real danger of losing something of value (training camp time, preseason ice time, etc.) then he'd most likely be viewed as having not put forth enough effort into his task at hand.
All of this animosity between Joey and the CBJ that has been conjured up is amusing.
The agent may use tactics that annoy fans, but he's just doing his job. If all the agent did was accept the initial offer from the FO then what the f$%^ is the player paying the agent for?
Joey hired the guy to increase his stacks o' cash. Jarmo and JD have seen this situation many times before and know how it's going to end. If the agent caved on the deal before his client was in real danger of losing something of value (training camp time, preseason ice time, etc.) then he'd most likely be viewed as having not put forth enough effort into his task at hand.
All of this animosity between Joey and the CBJ that has been conjured up is amusing.
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ROR is only signed for 2 years and all bets are he is gone via UFA next time around unless the Avs break the bank for him
And I tend to agree with EDM if the fight is about a reluctance to come off 7 mill; if it is because the Jackets refuse to come off 4 then not so much.
The good news is that after a 2 year deal he is still an RFA so again its advantage Jackets. If that one goes the way of ROR for another 2 then I think its adios Joey after that. Good news is that 2 years aren't going to have no movement/trade clauses so if things are tense he can easily be traded.
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Thank you for your voice of reason . Joey has had one good season , that's it . No way u pay him like an elite player . Porty just tweeted the gap is huge , and he could see Joey not there at beginning if camp . If that's the case , I hope jarmo starts looking at trade options . The team turned the corner these past 2 years cause they played like a blue collar team . We here talk from the jackets that there needs to be a contract that Joey strives to get better , that sounds to me that they question his work ethic , especially in lieu of the season before last . If he truly thinks he deserves this type of money after 1 good season , I start to question joey
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Until Portzy actually says something new, his twitter is inconsequential. Getting real sick of his rehashed crap.
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