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RW Vitaly Kravtsov - Traktor Chelyabinsk, KHL (2018, 9th, NYR)

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Caesar Rex said:
Looks like Dahlin lol
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The way both can quickly change direction with ease and accelerate is remarkable. Especially on that last defenseman he took on, watch his legs as he changes direction and gains momentum
 
Here's your laugh for the day:

Rangers are the rebuild no one is talking about

Vitali Kravstov hasn’t really impressed as a rookie in the KHL but he’s also barely 19. Lias Andersson, who knows, but the early NHL track record isn’t great. Maybe there’s room to get excited about Alex Georgiev, who’s been a little less than average this season, but how many games can we reasonably expect him to get in the next two or three years unless Henrik Lundqvist starts summering on Robidas Island?
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I mean.. I'll glance over the misspelling of his name, but saying he "hasn't really impressed" just screams "I only watch the stat line".... but EVEN if he ONLY watches the stat line.. how can you be NOT impressed by a 19 year old putting up these numbers in a pro league against men.

Does anyone know who this genius "Ryan Lambert" is? Is he known for pulling things out of his rear end?
 
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IamNotADancer said:
Here's your laugh for the day:

Rangers are the rebuild no one is talking about



I mean.. I'll glance over the misspelling of his name, but saying he "hasn't really impressed" just screams "I only watch the stat line".... but EVEN if he ONLY watches the stat line.. how can you be NOT impressed by a 19 year old putting up these numbers in a pro league against men.

Does anyone know who this genius "Ryan Lambert" is? Is he known for pulling things out of his rear end?
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He's probably comparing Kravstov's numbers to other prospects playing in Juniors.

This is why you dont go on Yahoo for hockey prospect news :laugh:
 
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The Crypto Guy said:
He's probably comparing Kravstov's numbers to other prospects playing in Juniors.

This is why you dont go on Yahoo for hockey prospect news :laugh:
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Omg why did i waste minutes of my life reading that crap of an article. Does he realize is playing in the second toughest league in the world at 18/19? lol. Does he follow any kind of NCAA hockey and watch that beast who is playing at Wisconsin?
 
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IamNotADancer said:
Here's your laugh for the day:

Rangers are the rebuild no one is talking about



I mean.. I'll glance over the misspelling of his name, but saying he "hasn't really impressed" just screams "I only watch the stat line".... but EVEN if he ONLY watches the stat line.. how can you be NOT impressed by a 19 year old putting up these numbers in a pro league against men.

Does anyone know who this genius "Ryan Lambert" is? Is he known for pulling things out of his rear end?
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Back when i used yahoo sports (~8 years ago!), lambert had a reputation as a hack in the comments section. Lets say i thought the comments about him were pretty justified.
 
I just got a great gift from the Traktor organization.

1. A game program of this year's game against Neftekhimik
2. A magazine with Vitali when he played for Belye Medvedi of the MHL

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No points in his first playoff game today. Traktor got shutout. I expect the series to be a quick one, followed by Kravtsov joining Hartford. Likely won’t play in the NHL this year
 
Lays said:
No points in his first playoff game today. Traktor got shutout. I expect the series to be a quick one, followed by Kravtsov joining Hartford. Likely won’t play in the NHL this year
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It would be bad management, if he did. He becomes expansion draft eligible, if he plays in the NHL.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
It would be bad management, if he did. He becomes expansion draft eligible, if he plays in the NHL.
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Yeah that’s why I added it wasn’t likely. He’s ready for the NHL but he’ll have to feast on lesser competition in the A
 
GAGLine said:
He becomes expansion draft eligible if he plays in the AHL on an NHL contract. If he comes to Hartford, it will be on a PTO, but I doubt we see him before development camp.
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Dont believe so.

ELC slides in the AHL if the player is under 20, which is what is considered towards a year of pro play for the expansion draft.
 
Peasy said:
Dont believe so.

ELC slides in the AHL if the player is under 20, which is what is considered towards a year of pro play for the expansion draft.
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Not if the player turns 20 in the same year he signs his first NHL contract. Kravtsov turns 20 in December.
 
GAGLine said:
Not if the player turns 20 in the same year he signs his first NHL contract. Kravtsov turns 20 in December.
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Yeah but this is the 2018-2019 season where he was only 19. Not sure how it works signing mid season but I assume it would follow the same rules if he was signed before the season started.

ELS (Entry Level Slide) – If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.
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My understanding is that the signing year would still be 2018-2019.

Is there anything that states otherwise?
 
GAGLine said:
Not if the player turns 20 in the same year he signs his first NHL contract. Kravtsov turns 20 in December.
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This is incorrect. Any reference to “Year” in the CBA refers to the league year. Any reference to a calendar year is labeled as “calendar year.” CBA nonsense to follow;
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9.1 (d) (i)
In the event that an 18 year old or 19 year old Player signs an SPC with a Club but does not play at least ten (10) NHL Games in the first season under that SPC, the term of his SPC and his number of years in the Entry Level System shall be extended for a period of one (1) year, except that this automatic extension will not apply to a Player who is 19 according to Section 9.2 by virtue of turning 20 between September 16 and December 31 in the year in which he first signs an SPC. Unless a Player and Club expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an additional year in accordance with this subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided, however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all circumstances.

9.2 Age of Players. As used in this Article, "age," including "First SPC Signing Age," means a Player's age on September 15 of the calendar year in which he signs an SPC, regardless of his actual age on the date he signs such SPC.
———————————————————Kravtsov is a December 99.

If he signed his SPC on September 15 2018, he would’ve been 18. If he signs between now and June 30 he is 19, per CBA 9.2.

If he signs his SPC on July 1(the new league year) he would be considered a 20 year old as per 9.1(d)(i).

If a January 1st, 2000 born player signed his SPC this league year on December 31st, he would be 18. January 2nd, he would be age 19.
If he were to sign July 1, he would be age 19.
If he were to sign January 2nd, 2020, he would be 20.
 
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Casey Mittelstadt played 6 games in the NHL last year. He signed in 2018 and turned 20 in November of 2018. That year didn't slide despite him not playing 10 or more NHL games.
 
GAGLine said:
Casey Mittelstadt played 6 games in the NHL last year. He signed in 2018 and turned 20 in November of 2018. That year didn't slide despite him not playing 10 or more NHL games.
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You’re confusing “year”(which is league year) and calendar year.
Buffalo was willing to burn a year of his contract. Nothing more, nothing less. Why do I write this?
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Unless a Player and Club expressly agree to the contrary, in the event a Player's SPC is extended an additional year in accordance with this subsection, all terms of the SPC, with the exception of Signing Bonuses, but including Paragraph 1 Salary, games played bonuses and Exhibit 5 bonuses, shall be extended; provided, however, that the Player's Paragraph 1 Salary shall be extended in all circumstances.
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Mittlestadt was age 19 during the league year when he signed. If he had signed July 1 2018, he would’ve been age 20. Had he signed December 31st, 2017, he would’ve been 18, even though he was 19 IRL.

The team felt it more important to get those games in. He didn’t burn a pro season for expansion purposes and he didn’t accrue a year towards UFA. He got a nice chunk of change to play a handful of games and the ability to be RFA after 2 pro seasons. He’ll be UFA at age 26 even though he’ll have gotten NHL salary for 8 seasons.
 
This situation has been discussed to death on the rangers boards and by beat writers, if Kravtsov signs ANYTHING but a PTO, his ELC does not slide.
 
I don't see any way the NHL would count this as a professional year for expansion draft purposes unless he hits 10 NHL games. The players who will be eligible for the expansion draft with a birthday between September 16 and December 31 despite playing this entire season in the AHL - e.g Cal Foote and Cale Fleury - are a year older than Kravtsov. If this doesn't count as a professional year, he will still be considered a second year professional in summer 2021.
 
Calad said:
This situation has been discussed to death on the rangers boards and by beat writers, if Kravtsov signs ANYTHING but a PTO, his ELC does not slide.
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And those beat writers would be wrong.

If Kravtsov signs his SPC on June 30, 2019, he would be 19 and the contract would slide unless both the Rangers and the player decided otherwise.

If he signs July 1, 2019 he would be 20.

The Rangers retain his rights in perpetuity as Russia isn’t a signatory to the transfer agreement, so it would work in the team’s favor to put off the start of accruing seasons until his age 21 season. So not only would he not be signing this season, the Rangers wouldn’t even sign him next season.

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Think of it this way: under the scenario that he signs his SPC this season that his contract wouldn’t slide, the signing windows would be as such:

EDIT: dates of windows added for clarification

His age 18 eligibility as a December birthday would be 6 months.(July 1-December 31 2018)
His age 19 would be zero months
His age 20 would be 24 months(January 1 2019-December 31, 2020)
His age 21 would be 1 year.(Jan 1-December 31 2021)

If under a fair(& the proper) interpretation, it would be as such:
Age 18, 6 months(July 1-December 31 2018)
Age 19, 6 months(January 1-June 30 2019)
Age 20, 6 months(July 1-December 31 2019)
Age 21, 1 year.(January 1-December 31 2020)

Added: Pre-camp comparison.
Pre September 15 2000 player:
Age 18: 6 months(July 1-December 31 2018)
Age 19: 1 year(January 1-December 31 2019)
Age 20: 1 year(January 1-December 31 2020)
 
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