RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[Korpse]

And the Rangers have historically been one of the worst teams at drafting in the 1st round. Should tell you something.

Was a fan of Boucher pre-draft but this was up there with the Chinakhov pick for me. One of the biggest reaches out of left field that I can remember. Either way, big balls on Dorion.

Perhaps, either way I'm willing to give the people in charge the benefit of the doubt. There's been a lot of skepticism around their picks in recent drafts but it all seems overblown as time passes. Looking forward to watching him at BU next season.

 

[William H Bonney]

I'll never understand why so many people just assume a GM can move down if they want to do so.

 

[bert]

And the Rangers have historically been one of the worst teams at drafting in the 1st round. Should tell you something.

Was a fan of Boucher pre-draft but this was up there with the Chinakhov pick for me. One of the biggest reaches out of left field that I can remember. Either way, big balls on Dorion.

Hilarious to use the Chinakhov pick....

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I'll never understand why so many people just assume a GM can move down if they want to do so.

Takes 2 to tango.

 

[newfy]

I'll never understand why so many people just assume a GM can move down if they want to do so.

Its one of the most hilarious and annoying things about draft talk in every sport. Everyone assumes anyone can trade down at any spot for some reason if a team drafts some 5 spots early in their mind

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

 

[majormajor]

I'll never understand why so many people just assume a GM can move down if they want to do so.

I think you can just not with any precision. You might get an offer to trade down one spot or an offer to trade down twelve. If Dorion was comfortable moving down four or five spots so he could still get his guy, there was no guarantee that there was a team willing to take the other side of that trade.

 

[bert]

I think you can just not with any precision. You might get an offer to trade down one spot or an offer to trade down twelve. If Dorion was comfortable moving down four or five spots so he could still get his guy, there was no guarantee that there was a team willing to take the other side of that trade.

Heard Columbus had Boucher high as well. Thats probably the main reason they didnt move down.

 

[majormajor]

Heard Columbus had Boucher high as well. Thats probably the main reason they didnt move down.

Do you know the source on that?

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I still remember people laughing at the selection of Blake Wheeler who was projected as a potential late 1st pick. Prospect projection does not mean shit, only the real draft mater.

Kudos for the Sens to stick to their gun and get their guy.

 

[Debrincat93]

I'll never understand why so many people just assume a GM can move down if they want to do so.

IIRC - everyone bashed the Seider pick, who was "looked at" to go in the teens or 20s. Yzerman picked him at 6 and got lit up. But, not verbatim but basically said stuff like "i couldnt find a mover and we didnt think he would be around" as other teams were rumored to want dmen, one being Edmonton and Kenny Holland.

All it takes is no one to give you the spot you want to move back to and rumors that Boucher would be picked in the teens or 20s for you to take him early.

who cares where they were drafted IMO. all anyone should care about is how he develops from here on out.

There will be kids in round 2 and later who end up amazing. Kids in the top 15 that will bust and play sub 15 games.

 

[Debrincat93]

I still remember people laughing at the selection of Blake Wheeler who was projected as a potential late 1st pick. Prospect projection does not mean shit, only the real draft mater.

Kudos for the Sens to stick to their gun and get their guy.

got to love the television Gms.. they all know more than people who spend 2000+ hours watching prospects and evaluating talent.

 

[OKR]

got to love the television Gms.. they all know more than people who spend 2000+ hours watching prospects and evaluating talent.

They’re people just like us, and it’s more than safe to say some fans have seen plenty more of certain players than any scouts have, so this argument is always hilarious to me.

Those same scouts you’re thinking are so superiour to ”television gm’s” had Boucher at #29 on mckenzies final rankings btw, so where do you think people got the idea that he was a reach at 10 from?

 

[Debrincat93]

They’re people just like us, and it’s more than safe to say some fans have seen plenty more of certain players than any scouts have, so this argument is always hilarious to me.

Those same scouts you’re thinking are so superiour to ”television gm’s” had Boucher at #29 on mckenzies final rankings btw, so where do you think people got the idea that he was a reach at 10 from?

he talks to 10 random scouts. that would barely equate to one NHL team's scouting department. i have absolutely no idea what you're getting at. He polls a handlful or two handful of scouts buddy. do you think the league only has 10 scouts in it?

 

[OKR]

he talks to 10 random scouts. that would barely equate to one NHL team's scouting department. i have absolutely no idea what you're getting at. He polls a handlful or two handful of scouts buddy. do you think the league only has 10 scouts in it?

Really? Absolutely no idea, huh?

Just because they’re scouts doesn’t mean they’re the absolute truth and always correct, nor that they always know better than ”television gms”, those 10 random scouts that didn’t have Boucher in top 20 are part of that group of ”television gms” then huh?

 

[bert]

Do you know the source on that?

I do I just cant share it.

Really? Absolutely no idea, huh?

Just because they’re scouts doesn’t mean they’re the absolute truth and always correct, nor that they always know better than ”television gms”, those 10 random scouts that didn’t have Boucher in top 20 are part of that group of ”television gms” then huh?

Are they better than the sens scouting department? Fact of the matter is Boucher hardly played last year, not a big sample size to base it on. Maybe if he did he was a top 10 pick. Its really hard to say, the sens liked him alot in the small sample size and were willing to take the risk. Again small sample size but he sure has looked like an impact player in the WJC showcase going on. You cant miss him out there.

 

[OKR]

Are they better than the sens scouting department? Fact of the matter is Boucher hardly played last year, not a big sample size to base it on. Maybe if he did he was a top 10 pick. Its really hard to say, the sens liked him alot in the small sample size and were willing to take the risk. Again small sample size but he sure has looked like an impact player in the WJC showcase going on. You cant miss him out there.

I’m actually rooting for Boucher, he plays with a style that i love, i just find it laughable for someone to have that outlook that because some team picked a player in top 10 that was outside of top 20 in all the rankings, the player must automatically be worthy of that pick and ”tvgm’s” who disagree know nothing.

 

[Sting]

I’m actually rooting for Boucher, he plays with a style that i love, i just find it laughable for someone to have that outlook that because some team picked a player in top 10 that was outside of top 20 in all the rankings, the player must automatically be worthy of that pick and ”tvgm’s” who disagree know nothing.

The opposite is also true. Need I remind people that Seider was a huge reach according to consensus when the Wings took him at 6. In fact, Scott Wheeler of the Athletic who thinks he's a scouting guru didn't even have him in the top 30.

The only thing we can do is look at who its coming from and their track record. For what it's worth, the Senators are likely top 5 in the league regarding drafting.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I’m actually rooting for Boucher, he plays with a style that i love, i just find it laughable for someone to have that outlook that because some team picked a player in top 10 that was outside of top 20 in all the rankings, the player must automatically be worthy of that pick and ”tvgm’s” who disagree know nothing.

It's just as ridiculous to look at these rankings, and then conclude a player was "unworthy" of being a top 10 pick. As with any prospect, it's a "wait and see" scenario. Nobody will know if it was worth a top 10 pick until years from now. The reason you're seeing people treat this pick as a victory is because Ottawa's amateur scouting staff has earned a reputation of being among the better teams in the league, and having their gambles pay off. Essentially, they've earned their fanbase's trust.

 

[OKR]

It's just as ridiculous to look at these rankings, and then conclude a player was "unworthy" of being a top 10 pick. As with any prospect, it's a "wait and see" scenario. Nobody will know if it was worth a top 10 pick until years from now. The reason you're seeing people treat this pick as a victory is because Ottawa's amateur scouting staff has earned a reputation of being among the better teams in the league, and having their gambles pay off. Essentially, they've earned their fanbase's trust.

Don’t disagree at all, just find it stupid to call out ”tvgm’s” at this point when there obviosly proffesional scouts who weren’t as high on him either, and nobody knows how it will turn out.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

Don’t disagree at all, just find it stupid to call out ”tvgm’s” at this point when there obviosly proffesional scouts who weren’t as high on him either, and nobody knows how it will turn out.

I think it's fair to call out "television gms" when they just read online draft rankings, and then immediately call teams like Ottawa "losers" of the draft because they "reached" on their prospect. It's fair if they're not as high on Boucher as Ottawa was, but I highly doubt those professional scouts are laughing at Ottawa for their pick, or saying they "lost" the draft. I'm sure those professional scouts are aware of the qualities in Boucher that made Ottawa want him at #10. The "television gms" who are already declaring victors and losers of the draft a week after it took place, deserve to be called out.

 

[OKR]

I think it's fair to call out "television gms" when they just read online draft rankings, and then immediately call teams like Ottawa "losers" of the draft because they "reached" on their prospect. It's fair if they're not as high on Boucher as Ottawa was, but I highly doubt those professional scouts are laughing at Ottawa for their pick, or saying they "lost" the draft. I'm sure those professional scouts are aware of the qualities in Boucher that made Ottawa want him at #10. The "television gms" who are already declaring victors and losers of the draft a week after it took place, deserve to be called out.

I’d like to remind you that Boucher has yet to prove any of those doubters wrong tho, people screaming ”you tvgm’s think you know so much better, they’re scouts and you’re not, they know what they’re doing” are gonna look just as foolish if he never amounts to anything, they don’t have any more ground to stand on with that argument as of now, don’t see how they’re any different.

 

[umma gumma]

I’d like to remind you that Boucher has yet to prove any of those doubters wrong tho, people screaming ”you tvgm’s think you know so much better, they’re scouts and you’re not, they know what they’re doing” are gonna look just as foolish if he never amounts to anything, they don’t have any more ground to stand on with that argument as of now, don’t see how they’re any different.

Nothing has happened yet to suggest those tvGMs are right either.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Never considered Ottawa a team with brilliant recruiters.

Stutzle and Tkachuk being obvious very high choices, I ignore them.

Sanderson rather than Drysdale, Thomson rather than Heinola, Sogaard in 37 - the only good deal is Pinto in 32 and Chabot in 18 since 10 drafts.

Not at all convinced by the quality of the goalkeepers. The probability of Boucher being up to a 10th pick is indefinitely lower than the probability of missing out on a franchise goalie (Wallstedt, Cossa) or a quality cross (Sillinger).

This team has not been doing well for a long time. Bad recruiting team, failed exchanges, unable to recruit quality free agents despite the freedom of the salary cap

The 2021/22 season is going to be very complicated again.

I have grown used to finding decisions consistently wrong in recent years. It's horrible. Even when they get good players, the franchise is unable to keep them or make the investment profitable.
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[bert]

I’m actually rooting for Boucher, he plays with a style that i love, i just find it laughable for someone to have that outlook that because some team picked a player in top 10 that was outside of top 20 in all the rankings, the player must automatically be worthy of that pick and ”tvgm’s” who disagree know nothing.

He played under 20 games last year. What I find laughable is anyone that thinks this was a normal draft. The OHL didn't even play. Players were barely scouted. Who is anyone that posts on hf to say who was worthy of being picked where. Suggesting internet scouts like wheeler or pronman are some sort of authority over NHL teams is laughable. These guys have no idea how to build an NHL team.