RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[Morgs]

Have you checked your Leafs drafting record the last 10 years after the obvious ones ? Not so good.

Sure, Mark Hunter was a flop. Kinda reminds me of Ottawa's drafting recently actually. We were all so excited for a bunch of guys to flop. Just glad he didn't waste 1st rounders like Dorion.

Since Dubas took over in 2018 I'd like to see you find a pick that isn't trending well besides Bouthillier. Have fun!

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Boucher is going to make a lot of people wrong eventually.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SensCentral/status/1419412671116500995

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

 

[DueDiligence]

Tyler Boucher may truthfully be the worst top-10 pick in NHL history.

Thank you for confirming you know nothing about hockey.

 

[DueDiligence]

Sure, Mark Hunter was a flop. Kinda reminds me of Ottawa's drafting recently actually. We were all so excited for a bunch of guys to flop. Just glad he didn't waste 1st rounders like Dorion.

Since Dubas took over in 2018 I'd like to see you find a pick that isn't trending well besides Bouthillier. Have fun!

Let's wait and see how the Senators tough guy picks run wild over the Leafs smurfs in the next few years!

 

[Morgs]

Let's wait and see how the Senators tough guy picks run wild over the Leafs smurfs in the next few years!

At least you'll guys win in hits it's nice to take the little victories.

 

[bossram]

The funny thing is if Ottawa drafted Sillinger and Columbus took Boucher, they'd be saying Boucher was a bad pick too lmao.

Endowment bias.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

At least you'll guys win in hits it's nice to take the little victories.

Not all of us can have the big victories you've been blessed with

 

[Morgs]

Not all of us can have the big victories you've been blessed with

Got me.

 

[DueDiligence]

At least you'll guys win in hits it's nice to take the little victories.

Maybe with all that developing talent on the Leafs they can help those overpriced high draft picks and FAs and actually win a playoff round.

 

[SensontheRush]

Sure, Mark Hunter was a flop. Kinda reminds me of Ottawa's drafting recently actually. We were all so excited for a bunch of guys to flop. Just glad he didn't waste 1st rounders like Dorion.

Since Dubas took over in 2018 I'd like to see you find a pick that isn't trending well besides Bouthillier. Have fun!

The only career Nhlers you drafted in 2018 are Sandin and Durzi, and you traded Durzi away.

You can book me on this.

 

[Morgs]

The only career Nhlers you drafted in 2018 are Sandin and Durzi, and you traded Durzi away.

You can book me on this.

A) let's remember I was quoted twice about him being a reach, which by all accounts he was. It's not even to say I don't like him, I had him at 41, and I was telling the Leafs guys in the prospect thread to not expect him to be available at 56 because he's a guy teams reach on because he's the most Wilson prospect in this draft. I didn't start this.

B) kral is trending extremely well. His numbers were fantastic on a AWFUL team in the CZE. This same team had Zboril, and Kral was their #1. Hollowell is a guy a lot of people are high on, I don't fully see it, but still. SDA is going to make the NHL in some capacity. These are the type of guys i like my GM taking swings on as anything outside the 2nd round has virtually 0 chance of making it, and not fridges like Greenway or Middleton.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

At least you'll guys win in hits it's nice to take the little victories.

Lol, what are you doing here, bro. You guys, contenders for the cup, were 5-4 against a rookie riddled bottom 10 NHL team. And lost in playoffs in embarrassing fashion, because you have all the skill in the world and zero of everything else. Last person that should be criticizing a pick like this is Leaf fans.

 

[bert]

Sure, Mark Hunter was a flop. Kinda reminds me of Ottawa's drafting recently actually. We were all so excited for a bunch of guys to flop. Just glad he didn't waste 1st rounders like Dorion.

Since Dubas took over in 2018 I'd like to see you find a pick that isn't trending well besides Bouthillier. Have fun!

Pinto hit. Hunter didn't have any of those. You don't have a single example of a good pick by Dubas. Big flex.

2004 last playoff series win, keep going. You're doing awesome.

 

[boytoy314]

At least you'll guys win in hits it's nice to take the little victories.

Wait I don’t think you guys are in a position to be criticizing other teams with the leafs recent track record

 

[jcs0218]

Tyler Boucher may truthfully be the worst top-10 pick in NHL history. His upside is that of a 4th liner, pure 4th liner as he has no mentionable offensive skills and is practically exclusive at defensive coverage and man to man plays, I would be highly suspect of him as a draft pick

Even if this all proves to be correct, then that is still a better career than Nail Yakupov.

 

[Korpse]

The funny thing is if Ottawa drafted Sillinger and Columbus took Boucher, they'd be saying Boucher was a bad pick too lmao.

Endowment bias.

Probably not. There are people that understand that just because they read a 250 word summary about a player, it doesn't mean they are in a position to evaluate a player. It's always the same folks, every year.

 

[Samsquanch]

The funny thing is if Ottawa drafted Sillinger and Columbus took Boucher, they'd be saying Boucher was a bad pick too lmao.

Endowment bias.

Would we really? Who in the f*** actually cares about what CBJ does in Ottawa? No dig at the jackets at all, just seems like a stupid stance to take in the most random NHL draft in history FFS...

Tim Stutzle was a mid-late first rounder last season before it started. Jack Quinn was ranked in the 2nd or 3rd... Stutzle ended up in a tier with two players that had been closely scouted for 4 years and went 3rd OV... Quinn went in the top 10.... Imagine the players that teams would be getting had they not played any kind of meaningful amount of games last season..

Anyone that is claiming with any authority what the 2021 draft order should have looked like. is simply a moron. How else can you put it? Honestly. Its the least scouted draft in NHL history.. A draft for 17/18yr old kids that has a well documented history of being wildly inaccurate (outside of the top few picks) in the best of years for scouts.

So anyone who is laughing at any team (even their own) needs to take a step back and think hard about how good the chances are that they embarrass themselves with a hot take this year - claiming ignorance later on doesnt work when we all know what the 2021 draft was going to end up being. Today we're discussing a kid that played like 10 games after enduring a pneumonia, an injury, and f***ing Covid to boot...

Just admit you know nothing and take a seat in the back, and shut-up until further notice - is what any logical 2021 draft observer should be doing at the moment..

 

[Bounces R Way]

Like the player, definitely a bit of a dubious pick at #10 though.

Fans like to think BPA is some bulletproof strategy. Just take the 'best' one duh. Great in theory, not how things work in practice. You can't build a team entirely of defensive centers, or top line wingers, or big shutdown defenseman. Teams like diversity in their prospect pools, players of the same age range that can play different roles. A good hockey team fits together like a puzzle, where each player can fill their ice time and do a specific job.

Boucher probably wasn't the BPA, frankly I'd be surprised if he was the even the 5th or 6th BPA, but sometimes having quality middle 6 guys is every bit as valuable as having a star. Hope he works out, like guys in the league that go out and try to make something happen every shift.

 

[bossram]

Probably not. There are people that understand that just because they read a 250 word summary about a player, it doesn't mean they are in a position to evaluate a player. It's always the same folks, every year.

Probably would. I didn't see fans of any team, Ottawa included, clamouring for Boucher in the top-10. Yet suddenly he's the real deal, according to Ottawa fans.
Interesting.

Would we really? Who in the f*** actually cares about what CBJ does in Ottawa? No dig at the jackets at all, just seems like a stupid stance to take in the most random NHL draft in history FFS...

Tim Stutzle was a mid-late first rounder last season before it started. Jack Quinn was ranked in the 2nd or 3rd... Stutzle ended up in a tier with two players that had been closely scouted for 4 years and went 3rd OV... Quinn went in the top 10.... Imagine the players that teams would be getting had they not played any kind of meaningful amount of games last season..

Anyone that is claiming with any authority what the 2021 draft order should have looked like. is simply a moron. How else can you put it? Honestly. Its the least scouted draft in NHL history.. A draft for 17/18yr old kids that has a well documented history of being wildly inaccurate (outside of the top few picks) in the best of years for scouts.

So anyone who is laughing at any team (even their own) needs to take a step back and think hard about how good the chances are that they embarrass themselves with a hot take this year - claiming ignorance later on doesnt work when we all know what the 2021 draft was going to end up being. Today we're discussing a kid that played like 10 games after enduring a pneumonia, an injury, and f***ing Covid to boot...

Just admit you know nothing and take a seat in the back, and shut-up until further notice - is what any logical 2021 draft observer should be doing at the moment..

Lmao you're probably the one that should shut up dude. Such an angry, long-winded rant over the softest needling imaginable. I didn't make any evaluation of Boucher, as you falsely claim. I never claimed anything. Are you admitting you know nothing? Why are you so vehemently defending the pick?

I simply made a very interesting observation. Boucher was a guy no team's fans wanted in the top-10. Or even top-20, really. Yet suddenly, one fanbase will go to Earth's ends to defend this prospect that wasn't on their radar. Now why is that? Did they suddenly feel differently about Boucher? Or is it just because he's now Ottawa properly.

Very interesting.

 

[Akrapovince]

Probably would. I didn't see fans of any team, Ottawa included, clamouring for Boucher in the top-10. Yet suddenly he's the real, according to Ottawa fans.
Interesting.



Lmao you're probably the one that should shut up dude. Such an angry, long-winded rant over the softest needling imaginable. I didn't make any evaluation of Boucher, as you falsely claim. I never claimed anything. Are you admitting you know nothing? Why are you so vehemently defending the pick.

I simply made a very interesting observation. Boucher was a guy no team's fans wanted in the top-10. Or even top-20, really. Yet suddenly, one fanbase will go to Earth's ends to defend this prospect that wasn't on their radar. Now why is that? Did they suddenly feel differently about Boucher? Or is it just because he's now Ottawa properly.

Very interesting.

I’m not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to prospects, but I at the very least try to familiarize myself with the consensus first round selections… Boucher didn’t really come up.

From my viewings I’m still not sure if I would have personally taken him in the top ten, but the fact that Mann said he didn’t think Boucher would be available if they traded down makes me think it wasn’t that much of a reach to some.

And after that clear top nine I’m sure there were a lot of players bunched up in the same tier, so if they scouting screw thinks he was the best of that well I’ll gladly want to be proven wrong by them.

My perception of a prospect most definitely is swayed by whether my team takes them or not. Whether right or wrong, I can atleast admit to myself there’s some sort of bias there lol.

 

[bossram]

I’m not the most knowledgeable person when it comes to prospects, but I at the very least try to familiarize myself with the consensus first round selections… Boucher didn’t really come up.

From my viewings I’m still not sure if I would have personally taken him in the top ten, but the fact that Mann said he didn’t think Boucher would be available if they traded down makes me think it wasn’t that much of a reach to some.

And after that clear top nine I’m sure there were a lot of players bunched up in the same tier, so if they scouting screw thinks he was the best of that well I’ll gladly want to be proven wrong by them.

My perception of a prospect most definitely is swayed by whether my team takes them or not. Whether right or wrong, I can atleast admit to myself there’s some sort of bias there lol.

I appreciate the honest assessment. It would be nice if fans could actually acknowledge that they are biased. Everyone is in some way. The denial is the bizarre thing to me.

It's perfectly reasonable to want to give the kid a chance because the scouts believe in him. It's another thing for some people to suddenly claim that he was always a worthwhile pick at that position when they did not think that beforehand.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Back in 2011, teams in the league had their eyes on 2 players. These players were projected to go in the 3rd and 6th rounds. Most teams around the league knew who these players were and wanted to draft them.
So when Tampa Bay took Nikita Kucherov in the second round, there was noticeable disappointment with other teams around the league because they wanted to take him but not spend a second round pick on him.
Then the fourth round came along and a player by the name of Johnny Gaudreau was taken, and again a sense of disappointment filled the draft floor because scouts thought this small forward would fall further.

Moral of the story, if you really like a player, don’t wait to draft him and miss out on him because you don’t want to draft him too early. Get your guy.

 

[TkachukMyAho]

The only career Nhlers you drafted in 2018 are Sandin and Durzi, and you traded Durzi away.

You can book me on this.

Well, he didn't draft anybody to be fair. I'm also fairly certain the poster didn't have any input into the Durzi trade, but I could be wrong here.

 

[Sting]

Sure, Mark Hunter was a flop. Kinda reminds me of Ottawa's drafting recently actually. We were all so excited for a bunch of guys to flop. Just glad he didn't waste 1st rounders like Dorion.

Since Dubas took over in 2018 I'd like to see you find a pick that isn't trending well besides Bouthillier. Have fun!

Sorry but in the last 5 years, Ottawa's drafting has been significantly better than Toronto. You can argue Ottawa obviously had the better draft positions...but even if you look into later rounds, the Sens have done quite well.

The prospect pool of the Sens remains top 5 in the league. Toronto is still clinging on to Matthews/Marner as their only legitimate selections...decisions that were essentially made for them.

Anyway, this thread should be about Boucher. It's going to be fun seeing the next couple of years progress as the narrative being floated around right now will dissipate pretty quickly.