RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[bert]

Never considered Ottawa a team with brilliant recruiters.

Stutzle and Tkachuk being obvious very high choices, I ignore them.

Sanderson rather than Drysdale, Thomson rather than Heinola, Sogaard in 37 - the only good deal is Pinto in 32 and Chabot in 18 since 10 drafts.

Not at all convinced by the quality of the goalkeepers. The likelihood of Boucher being up to a 10th pick is indefinitely lower than the likelihood of missing out on a franchise goalie (Wallstedt, Cossa) or a quality cross (Sillinger).

This team has not been doing well for a long time. Bad recruiting team, failed exchanges in great width, unable to recruit quality free agents despite the freedom of the payroll.

The 2021/22 season is going to be very complicated again.

I have grown used to finding decisions consistently wrong in recent years. It's horrible.

Batherson was a phenomenal pick, formenton was a great pick. Soogard looked like an absolute star last year. Weird one to use as an example. Yeah there has been some misses, but they've made up for it in other ways. If Pinto was picked in Thomsons place and Thomson in pintos would Thomson be considered a miss?...

No team is perfect, but the sens are embracing an identity. They want to be hard to play against and fast.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Batherson was a phenomenal pick, formenton was a great pick. Soogard looked like an absolute star last year. Weird one to use as an example. Yeah there has been some misses, but they've made up for it in other ways. If Pinto was picked in Thomsons place and Thomson in pintos would Thomson be considered a miss?...

No team is perfect, but the sens are embracing an identity. They want to be hard to play against and fast.

Ok for Batherson that I forgot. Not at all for Formenton and Sogaard.

The identity of the Senators for me is defeat and failure with a very small squad and the best players who don't want to stay.

Good luck for the years to come.

 

[BondraTime]

Ok for Batherson that I forgot. Not at all for Formenton and Sogaard.

The identity of the Senators for me is defeat and failure with a very small squad and the best players who don't want to stay.

Good luck for the years to come.

What an incredibly inaccurate take on the Sens and their drafting

Impressive really.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I love this pick for the Sens. To be able to have guys like he and Tkachuk that can flank the more finesse oriented forwards on the team and keep up is a master stroke.

 

[OKR]

Nothing has happened yet to suggest those tvGMs are right either.

Did you stop reading at that point or are you deliberately trying not to understan?

He played under 20 games last year. What I find laughable is anyone that thinks this was a normal draft. The OHL didn't even play. Players were barely scouted. Who is anyone that posts on hf to say who was worthy of being picked where. Suggesting internet scouts like wheeler or pronman are some sort of authority over NHL teams is laughable. These guys have no idea how to build an NHL team.

What i find laughable is that this post has absolutely nothing to do with what i was saying...

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Ok for Batherson that I forgot. Not at all for Formenton and Sogaard.

The identity of the Senators for me is defeat and failure with a very small squad and the best players who don't want to stay.

Good luck for the years to come.

What on earth do you mean by "very small squad"?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

What an incredibly inaccurate take on the Sens and their drafting

Impressive really.

By taking my board here are the players that Ottawa could have selected

Draft 2019
19 V.Heinola LD
32 A.Kaliyev LW
37 N.Hoglander LW
94 Y.Spiridonov RC
125 K.Loponen RD
187 J.Bergeron LD

Draft 2020
3 T.Stutzle LC
5 J.Drysdale RD
28 M.Bourque RC
33 H.Grans RD
44 D.Commesso GK
61 A.Cotton RD
71 J.Poirier LD
155 C.McClennon RW
158 B.Brochu GK
181 C.Jimenez LD

Draft 2021
10 C.Sillinger LC
39 A.Raty LC
49 S.Pastujov LW
74 K.Kirsanov LD
123 D.Duke LC
202 C.Rowe GK

My top three 2019 picks have played in NHL. Many were selected just after the choice of Ottawa when I am convinced that many players selected by Ottawa would have slipped very low or not drafted. Especially this year.

The team's results are extremely poor. The players selected by Ottawa do not have the sports credentials of the players I have listed. These are blind bets.

Either way, with such catastrophic results, you can't give the structure any credibility.

This franchise isn't going anywhere for years.

 

[umma gumma]

By taking my board here are the players that Ottawa could have selected

Draft 2019
19 V.Heinola LD
32 A.Kaliyev LW
37 N.Hoglander LW
94 Y.Spiridonov RC
125 K.Loponen RD
187 J.Bergeron LD

Draft 2020
3 T.Stutzle LC
5 J.Drysdale RD
28 M.Bourque RC
33 H.Grans RD
44 D.Commesso GK
61 A.Cotton RD
71 J.Poirier LD
155 C.McClennon RW
158 B.Brochu GK
181 C.Jimenez LD

Draft 2021
10 C.Sillinger LC
39 A.Raty LC
49 S.Pastujov LW
74 K.Kirsanov LD
123 D.Duke LC
202 C.Rowe GK

My top three 2019 picks have played in NHL. Many were selected just after the choice of Ottawa when I am convinced that many players selected by Ottawa would have slipped very low or not drafted. Especially this year.

The team's results are extremely poor. The players selected by Ottawa do not have the sports credentials of the players I have listed. These are blind bets.

Either way, with such catastrophic results, you can't give the structure any credibility.

This franchise isn't going anywhere for years.

You can play this game with just about every team in the league.

 

[BondraTime]

By taking my board here are the players that Ottawa could have selected

Draft 2019
19 V.Heinola LD
32 A.Kaliyev LW
37 N.Hoglander LW
94 Y.Spiridonov RC
125 K.Loponen RD
187 J.Bergeron LD

Draft 2020
3 T.Stutzle LC
5 J.Drysdale RD
28 M.Bourque RC
33 H.Grans RD
44 D.Commesso GK
61 A.Cotton RD
71 J.Poirier LD
155 C.McClennon RW
158 B.Brochu GK
181 C.Jimenez LD

Draft 2021
10 C.Sillinger LC
39 A.Raty LC
49 S.Pastujov LW
74 K.Kirsanov LD
123 D.Duke LC
202 C.Rowe GK

My top three 2019 picks have played in NHL. Many were selected just after the choice of Ottawa when I am convinced that many players selected by Ottawa would have slipped very low or not drafted. Especially this year.

The team's results are extremely poor. The players selected by Ottawa do not have the sports credentials of the players I have listed. These are blind bets.

Either way, with such catastrophic results, you can't give the structure any credibility.

This franchise isn't going anywhere for years.

This does nothing but reinforce the thought that you have zero clue what you're talking about

 

[swiftwin]

By taking my board here are the players that Ottawa could have selected

Draft 2019
19 V.Heinola LD
32 A.Kaliyev LW
37 N.Hoglander LW
94 Y.Spiridonov RC
125 K.Loponen RD
187 J.Bergeron LD

Draft 2020
3 T.Stutzle LC
5 J.Drysdale RD
28 M.Bourque RC
33 H.Grans RD
44 D.Commesso GK
61 A.Cotton RD
71 J.Poirier LD
155 C.McClennon RW
158 B.Brochu GK
181 C.Jimenez LD

Draft 2021
10 C.Sillinger LC
39 A.Raty LC
49 S.Pastujov LW
74 K.Kirsanov LD
123 D.Duke LC
202 C.Rowe GK

My top three 2019 picks have played in NHL. Many were selected just after the choice of Ottawa when I am convinced that many players selected by Ottawa would have slipped very low or not drafted. Especially this year.

The team's results are extremely poor. The players selected by Ottawa do not have the sports credentials of the players I have listed. These are blind bets.

Either way, with such catastrophic results, you can't give the structure any credibility.

This franchise isn't going anywhere for years.

Not sure how you can say they have poor results when only looking at the last 2.5 years of draft picks.

You're also conveniently cutting off the 2017 and 2018 drafts (first drafts under the current management), which were very successful. Formenton (2nd round 2017), Batherson (4th round 2017), Tkachuk (1st round 2018), Bernard-Docker (1st round 2018).

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

This does nothing but reinforce the thought that you have zero clue what you're talking about

Yet I come to show you that a simple guy like me, for his first year of draft, would have found 3 NHL players for Ottawa while the entire staff of this team found only one. Thomson (already 21) is very far from NHL level and Sogaard has shown some very worrying things for me.

Drysdale already put a big sporting punch on Sanderson last year.

I gave Ottawa the worst mark this year.

I have fun playing this kind of game with the other teams. Usually I don't feel like I'm doing better. Some teams clearly give me the impression of doing better. But in building my list, I clearly felt like I was establishing better ones.

Commesso, Drysdale, Grans, Heinola, Kirsanov, Stutzle, Sillinger, Kaliyev, Hoglander... Damn.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Not sure how you can say they have poor results when only looking at the last 2.5 years of draft picks.

You're also conveniently cutting off the 2017 and 2018 drafts (first drafts under the current management), which were very successful. Formenton (2nd round 2017), Batherson (4th round 2017), Tkachuk (1st round 2018), Bernard-Docker (1st round 2018).

Tkachuk is a 4th choice. Easy.

Bernard-Docker is not crazy at all. I can't tell you who I should have taken instead because I wasn't knowledgeable for this draft.

Shane Bowers is a failure. Formenton, I won't go so far as to say it's good.

The squad is so small that it's very easy to get a place in the team.

You forget the crappy trade that gives Byram to Colorado.

 

[BoardsofCanada]

Tkachuk is a 4th choice. Easy.

Bernard-Docker is not crazy at all. I can't tell you who I should have taken instead because I wasn't knowledgeable for this draft.

Shane Bowers is a failure. Formenton, I won't go so far as to say it's good.

The squad is so small that it's very easy to get a place in the team.

You forget the crappy trade that gives Byram to Colorado.

I think most Sens fans agree that with hindsight, Lassi was a disappointing pick. Heinola or Tomasino would've been better. But at 32, Pinto is a two way beast and I take him over Kaliyev every day of the week. At 37, they obviously wanted a goalie and they got a giant in Sogaard who went 7-0 with a .917 save pct. in the AHL. And you're severely under rating Formenton. He will be, if he is not already, one of the fastest skaters in the NHL and he brings a nasty edge as a bonus. He might be my favorite prospect in the organization. I would say the future is very bright. They aren't a playoff team yet but they're getting close.

 

[BondraTime]

Yet I come to show you that a simple guy like me, for his first year of draft, would have found 3 NHL players for Ottawa while the entire staff of this team found only one. Thomson (already 21) is very far from NHL level and Sogaard has shown some very worrying things for me.

Drysdale already put a big sporting punch on Sanderson last year.

I gave Ottawa the worst mark this year.

I have fun playing this kind of game with the other teams. Usually I don't feel like I'm doing better. Some teams clearly give me the impression of doing better. But in building my list, I clearly felt like I was establishing better ones.

Commesso, Drysdale, Grans, Heinola, Kirsanov, Stutzle, Sillinger, Kaliyev, Hoglander... Damn.

I'm sure you did, your opinion literally has zero value though.

You are a walking example of Dunning Kruger

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

I'm sure you did, your opinion literally has zero value though.

You are a walking example of Dunning Kruger

I much prefer Heinola-Drysdale-Kaliyev-Hoglander-Sillinger to Pinto-Boucher-Sanderson.

I'm only going to criticize one of the worst teams in the league for missing out on better goalies, a Drysdale-Byram pair and a player like Sillinger.

My opinion may have no value in your eyes but Ottawa has one of the worst rosters in the league and already has no chance of making the playoffs this year. You can't erase the sad reality.

According to you I undervalue Ottawa. Except that the results are there : last or penultimate in the division for the past four years. Series in progress.

 

[BondraTime]

I much prefer Heinola-Drysdale-Kaliyev-Hoglander-Sillinger to Pinto-Boucher-Sanderson.

I'm only going to criticize one of the worst teams in the league for missing out on better goalies, a Drysdale-Byram pair and a player like Sillinger.

My opinion may have no value in your eyes but Ottawa has one of the worst rosters in the league and already has no chance of making the playoffs this year. You can't erase the sad reality.

According to you I undervalue Ottawa. Except that the results are there : last or penultimate in the division for the past four years. Series in progress.

Again, picture perfect example of Dunning Kruger

And what does them finishing last have to do with their drafting? You realize they’ve traded away everyone and rebuilt, intentionally finishing poorly the past 4 years correct?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Again, picture perfect example of Dunning Kruger

And what does them finishing last have to do with their drafting? You realize they’ve traded away everyone and rebuilt, intentionally finishing poorly the past 4 years correct?

I give my opinion. If you think giving your opinion is like you have Dunning-Kruger syndrome, everyone who gives their opinion is affected. So everyone. Stupid reasoning.

I think Ottawa has missed out on many good picks in the last few years in the draft.

Give the choice R1 2019 for Duchene. A disaster luckily mitigated by the lottery pick.

Before the Covid, Ottawa had the worst attendance in the NHL because of a poorly located rink, the best players did not want to resign.

If you think Ottawa is going to raise with the players they drafted, you have another syndrome: blindness.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I much prefer Heinola-Drysdale-Kaliyev-Hoglander-Sillinger to Pinto-Boucher-Sanderson.

I'm only going to criticize one of the worst teams in the league for missing out on better goalies, a Drysdale-Byram pair and a player like Sillinger.

My opinion may have no value in your eyes but Ottawa has one of the worst rosters in the league and already has no chance of making the playoffs this year. You can't erase the sad reality.

According to you I undervalue Ottawa. Except that the results are there : last or penultimate in the division for the past four years. Series in progress.

This is an example of someone who goes to hockeydb and scrolls down the players and says - not a good roster! Don't worry about us, we've got young talent in spades and have one of the top amateur scouting divisions in the world. Yes, it sucks that we had to burn it to the ground and rebuild and it sucks we have a crappy owner, but if you look at our roster and prospects and see one of the worst in the league, that's on you for speaking of things you know nothing about.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

This is an example of someone who goes to hockeydb and scrolls down the players and says - not a good roster! Don't worry about us, we've got young talent in spades and have one of the top amateur scouting divisions in the world. Yes, it sucks that we had to burn it to the ground and rebuild and it sucks we have a crappy owner, but if you look at our roster and prospects and see one of the worst in the league, that's on you for speaking of things you know nothing about.

Hockey is my passion and I have been closely following prospects for 3 years. I have kept a very elaborate database since 2019.

My assessment over the whole 3 years ranks Ottawa at the bottom position in the league.

My point of view may not appeal to you as a supporter, but it exist because I am.

You might be optimistic about Tyler Boucher, Zack Ostapchuk and Ben Roger, I'm not.

I think there was better to do and the franchise missed out on a better goalie, a Drysdale-Byram pair and Sillinger instead of Sogaard, Sanderson and Boucher. Without forgetting all the other possibilities that I have listed.

Building a good team takes a lot of time and I think Ottawa wasted time by missing some players.

I am amazed at your optimism. When I'm a fan of a team (I won't say which one), I'm rather pessimistic.

As a neutral supporter of Ottawa, I am very, very pessimistic.

I do not understand the decisions taken. They don't make any sense to me. I feel like this franchise is going nowhere. Except for the draft, the trades are missed and no good free agent wants to sign.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Hockey is my passion and I have been closely following prospects for 3 years. I have kept a very elaborate database since 2019.

My assessment over the whole 3 years ranks Ottawa at the bottom position in the league.

My point of view may not appeal to you as a supporter, but it is because I am.

You might be optimistic about Tyler Boucher, Zack Ostapchuk and Ben Roger, I'm not.

I think there was better to do and the franchise missed out on a better goalie, a Drysdale-Byram pair and Sillinger instead of Sogaard, Sanderson and Boucher. Without forgetting all the other possibilities that I have listed.

Building a good team takes a lot of time and I think Ottawa wasted time by missing some players.

I am amazed at your optimism. When I'm a fan of a team (I won't say which one), I'm rather pessimistic.

As a neutral supporter of Ottawa, I am very, very pessimistic.

I do not understand the decisions taken. They don't make any sense to me. I feel like this franchise is going nowhere. Except for the draft, the trades are missed and no good free agent wants to sign.

Every team misses players, it's really more miss than hit, but if you look at Ottawa's under 25s, I don't see how you don't like what you see. But that said, you'd really like on the Ottawa board, lots of pessimism over there.

 

[benjiv1]

Yet I come to show you that a simple guy like me, for his first year of draft, would have found 3 NHL players for Ottawa while the entire staff of this team found only one. Thomson (already 21) is very far from NHL level and Sogaard has shown some very worrying things for me.

Drysdale already put a big sporting punch on Sanderson last year.

I gave Ottawa the worst mark this year.

I have fun playing this kind of game with the other teams. Usually I don't feel like I'm doing better. Some teams clearly give me the impression of doing better. But in building my list, I clearly felt like I was establishing better ones.

Commesso, Drysdale, Grans, Heinola, Kirsanov, Stutzle, Sillinger, Kaliyev, Hoglander... Damn.

How did Sanderson manage against Drysdale in the WJC?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Every team misses players, it's really more miss than hit, but if you look at Ottawa's under 25s, I don't see how you don't like what you see. But that said, you'd really like on the Ottawa board, lots of pessimism over there.

Stutzle, Chabot, Tkachuk I love it. Some good other players around. But there is no such thing as a good keeper. Defense is weak. The attack is too tender and lacks depth. I'm waiting to make my prediction for the coming season but I'm more optimistic for Detroit and Buffalo.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Stutzle, Chabot, Tkachuk I love it. Some good other players around. But there is no such thing as a good keeper. Defense is weak. The attack is too tender and lacks depth. I'm waiting to make my prediction for the coming season but I'm more optimistic for Detroit and Buffalo.

Defence this year is weak, but Sanderson is coming and that's a huge piece. And Zub is amazing.

Gustavsson is looking good, Mads Søgaard looks good. Goaltending is a strong spot actually.

I'm not sure Ottawa will make the playoffs, but I think we'll be hard to play against and adding a guy like Boucher will make us really hard to play against in a couple of years.

 

[Masked]

Hockey is my passion and I have been closely following prospects for 3 years. I have kept a very elaborate database since 2019.

Seriously? This might be the funniest unintentional comedy in the history of this site.

Three years and you think you know more than people who have been hockey professionals for decades? Even though you've given bad take after bad take in this thread.

I'd love to see this "elaborate" database.

 

[SNES]

Hockey is my passion and I have been closely following prospects for 3 years. I have kept a very elaborate database since 2019.

My assessment over the whole 3 years ranks Ottawa at the bottom position in the league.

My point of view may not appeal to you as a supporter, but it exist because I am.

You might be optimistic about Tyler Boucher, Zack Ostapchuk and Ben Roger, I'm not.

I think there was better to do and the franchise missed out on a better goalie, a Drysdale-Byram pair and Sillinger instead of Sogaard, Sanderson and Boucher. Without forgetting all the other possibilities that I have listed.

Building a good team takes a lot of time and I think Ottawa wasted time by missing some players.

I am amazed at your optimism. When I'm a fan of a team (I won't say which one), I'm rather pessimistic.

As a neutral supporter of Ottawa, I am very, very pessimistic.

I do not understand the decisions taken. They don't make any sense to me. I feel like this franchise is going nowhere. Except for the draft, the trades are missed and no good free agent wants to sign.

3 whole years? Impressive. Sens should hire you obviously