RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[Erik Alfredsson]

I’d like to remind you that Boucher has yet to prove any of those doubters wrong tho, people screaming ”you tvgm’s think you know so much better, they’re scouts and you’re not, they know what they’re doing” are gonna look just as foolish if he never amounts to anything, they don’t have any more ground to stand on with that argument as of now, don’t see how they’re any different.

Who gives a shit about "looking foolish"? It's the Senators brand new prospect, and their fans are excited about it. The scouting staff has earned the trust of the fanbase, and they are (rightfully so) telling the people already calling this pick a "loss" to go stick it.

 

[Tkachuckycheese]

I'm surprised at guys who go to this site without accepting the concept.

If no one can give their opinion, there is a problem.

You sound like a guy that goes to Starbucks with your computer and just sits there reading stats sipping your Pumpkin Spiced Latte and mocking players. Only reading about the well known players without putting the time in researching players outside the first round projection. Everyone has that 3 year database

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Hockey is my passion and I have been closely following prospects for 3 years. I have kept a very elaborate database since 2019.

My assessment over the whole 3 years ranks Ottawa at the bottom position in the league.

With utmost respect, your opinion and assessment are horrendous. Logic like yours means Toronto should already have a cup, or three.

You mention Drysdale, when Sanderson himself was exceptional last year outplayed a 4 month younger defender who went 1st overall and Sanderson shutdown arguably the most high octane Canadian group ever. With your logic, Stutzle is hands down the best player for 2020 draft. Yet Ottawa won't get credit there, ofc.

Byram is result of trade and isn't worth mentioning in drafting and prospect. Which Soogard? The 7-0 to start his pro career 6'7 goalie Soogard? Lol.

And Kalieyv? You mean Pinto who we picked ahead who has 7 points in first 12 games?

If you have kept a very elaborate database, I am Steve Yzerman.

 

[supsens]

At draft +1 I still have Drysdale ahead of Sanderson. I will not wait 15 years to restart the debate. It will no longer be of interest.

Moreover, if it was necessary to wait until the end of the players' careers to assess the choices that would make no sense.

Who is interested in the decisions taken in 2004 ?

Lol so if you are proven wrong later it does not matter because you are right in imaginary land? How about you let them actually start a career first.
He is already good enough for the NHL but chose to go back to school(hopefully it isn’t to run off and never play in Ottawa)
I have seen nothing to suggest he did not deserve his draft spot

 

[Sting]

All I have to say is that I have 15 years of pro hockey in my CV, that I am invested and passionate and sincere in my words. I'm not a joke.

I don't think the Ottawa franchise is working well. I understand the bitterness of the supporters who do not like my words, but I mean them.

I will not come back to this topic in 10 years to measure how right I was. I sincerely hope for Ottawa that their choices are the right ones even if I am really very skeptical.

This is not just about the draft but the whole management of the franchise. I didn't want this thread to turn into an ego war and turn into an insult.

I gave my opinion. Sorry to have struck fragile sensibilities.

Sincerely good luck.

We sincerely all value your opinion. You definitely seem like you know what you're talking about. Yep.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

All I have to say is that I have 15 years of pro hockey in my CV, that I am invested and passionate and sincere in my words. I'm not a joke.

I don't think the Ottawa franchise is working well. I understand the bitterness of the supporters who do not like my words, but I mean them.

I will not come back to this topic in 10 years to measure how right I was. I sincerely hope for Ottawa that their choices are the right ones even if I am really very skeptical.

This is not just about the draft but the whole management of the franchise. I didn't want this thread to turn into an ego war and turn into an insult.

I gave my opinion. Sorry to have struck fragile sensibilities.

Sincerely good luck.

Nobody really cares about your 15 years of experience, your 3 year database, or your harsh words. You can rest easy knowing that we are all excited about Tyler Boucher, and the other Senators' prospects regardless of your analysis.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Nobody really cares about your 15 years of experience, your 3 year database, or your harsh words. You can rest easy knowing that we are all excited about Tyler Boucher, and the other Senators' prospects regardless of your analysis.

I understand. The playoffs are out of reach and the prospect of getting a player like Wright, Bedard or Michkov is extremely tempting.

 

[Tkachuckycheese]

All I have to say is that I have 15 years of pro hockey in my CV, that I am invested and passionate and sincere in my words. I'm not a joke.

I don't think the Ottawa franchise is working well. I understand the bitterness of the supporters who do not like my words, but I mean them.

I will not come back to this topic in 10 years to measure how right I was. I sincerely hope for Ottawa that their choices are the right ones even if I am really very skeptical.

This is not just about the draft but the whole management of the franchise. I didn't want this thread to turn into an ego war and turn into an insult.

I gave my opinion. Sorry to have struck fragile sensibilities.

Sincerely good luck.

zzzZZZzzz

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

zzzZZZzzz

This is another method. With supporters so undemanding Eugene Melnyk and his clique can hope for the stability of an official.

 

[Tkachuckycheese]

Anywayyyys. Tyler Boucher has been looking great in these games. Definitely excited to see how he progresses in Boston and if he gets on the Team USA roster.

 

[Emerica]

Lmaoo this guy really has ya’ll wrapped around his finger huh

 

[mratch19]

This forum is funny, haha. Not my pick at 10, but Dorion seems to have a plan, and sticks to his guns. Respect for the ballsy move.

 

[DJB]

Drysdale was a better choice. Other solutions seemed better to me in other positions. I had Sanderson in good esteem but not top 5.
So I never said it was bad but there were better possibilities in 5. More so for Boucher.

That's your opinion that Drysdale was the better choice. I disagree and this comes from someone who had Drysdale ranked ahead of Sanderson for half the year until in my mind Sanderson passed him months before the draft.

Doesn't make my opinion correct either however but obviously the Sens scouts agreed.

 

[OKR]

Who gives a shit about "looking foolish"? It's the Senators brand new prospect, and their fans are excited about it. The scouting staff has earned the trust of the fanbase, and they are (rightfully so) telling the people already calling this pick a "loss" to go stick it.

Just as rightfully as people who disagree with the pick can call it a lost lol

 

[Benttheknee]

I've been thinking about this past draft from a strategic perspective. A lot of players played very little so it is likely that of any year, last year was the one where very little information sharing happened. Lets say you had an eye on a player that didn't play much and you scouted him. A rival team asks for input, do you share? Likely not. Why share on a guy you think you can get later in the draft?

So outside of the top players who did play and got exposure, the guys that didn't play were crap shoots. If you used THN Draft preview, you would notice that first round players included 5 players in the +30 range, including Boucher.

I suspect this applies more to the players in the later rounds and I think next a lot of 19 year olds will get selected.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Ah yes, the mighty LA Kings, who have won a single playoff game in 7 seasons. Much better spot than Ottawa.

Not sure if they are in a better spot but this is just a terrible take, please note as Ottawa fan.

 

[umma gumma]

Just as rightfully as people who disagree with the pick can call it a lost lol

Not really. One side is taking a wait and see approach, while the other has already concluded the pick is a waste. Not the same at all.

 

[OKR]

Not really. One side is taking a wait and see approach, while the other has already concluded the pick is a waste. Not the same at all.

Umm, what?
Them telling ”You tvgms can stick it, sens have drafted well before, this is a good pick” isn’t any different than saying ”the pick was a reach, he wasn’t top 20 in listings, what a waste” because he has not proved either opinion right, it’s literally exactly the same.

 

[Debrincat93]

Really? Absolutely no idea, huh?

Just because they’re scouts doesn’t mean they’re the absolute truth and always correct, nor that they always know better than ”television gms”, those 10 random scouts that didn’t have Boucher in top 20 are part of that group of ”television gms” then huh?

holy shit, you're completely lost buddy.

take care of yourself. you truly dont know what's going on in this conversation.

ok let me break this down for you.
ihave put zero time into what each NHL has, ill just be a shmuck and say each team has 15 scouts.
15*32 = 480 scouts.
10 of those 480 scouts didnt have him in the top ___ whatever it is. IDGAF enough to look at what Bob's rankings were right now.
doing the math for you, thats 2% of the scouts that thought he wasnt in the top 20, as you're mentioning.
Now, how many of those scouts saw Boucher over 2 times? probably none, just like majority of the players on the list.

have a good day.

 

[Sting]

holy shit, you're completely lost buddy.

take care of yourself. you truly dont know what's going on in this conversation.

ok let me break this down for you.
ihave put zero time into what each NHL has, ill just be a shmuck and say each team has 15 scouts.
15*32 = 480 scouts.
10 of those 480 scouts didnt have him in the top ___ whatever it is. IDGAF enough to look at what Bob's rankings were right now.
doing the math for you, thats 2% of the scouts that thought he wasnt in the top 20, as you're mentioning.
Now, how many of those scouts saw Boucher over 2 times? probably none, just like majority of the players on the list.

have a good day.

This sums it up pretty well. Side note - the backlash against the Raptors for taking the 5th ranked player over the 4th ranked player is hilarious.

In that case, many people are pointing to the fact that the Raptors have a track record of success when it comes to drafting - and rankings are more or less meaningless to the actual clubs since they all have their own.

Public rankings are for fan entertainment. I don't think they are a good representation of the quality of the players.

 

[OKR]

holy shit, you're completely lost buddy.

take care of yourself. you truly dont know what's going on in this conversation.

ok let me break this down for you.
ihave put zero time into what each NHL has, ill just be a shmuck and say each team has 15 scouts.
15*32 = 480 scouts.
10 of those 480 scouts didnt have him in the top ___ whatever it is. IDGAF enough to look at what Bob's rankings were right now.
doing the math for you, thats 2% of the scouts that thought he wasnt in the top 20, as you're mentioning.
Now, how many of those scouts saw Boucher over 2 times? probably none, just like majority of the players on the list.

have a good day.

You have clearly put zero time in learning to comprehend what you’re reading either, so it’s safe to say we’re done here, buddy

 

[AmericanDream]

Boucher has been very highly rated for years. He got hurt and people forgot about him some.

Sens got their guy...they took zero chances and got him where they had to.

Nobody knows how he will turn out, but bloodlines, prior history suggest he will be a good one. The kid already has pro size right now.

He will be a fixture on Team USA for the WJC so he will get plenty of attention there.

Wish him and the Sens well. Like a lot of kids yall have over there, lots of young talent coming. Don't let mindless idiots wreck this pick...

 

[bleedblue94]

Heard Columbus had Boucher high as well. Thats probably the main reason they didnt move down.

I believe nyr did as well based on comments from some vetted people

 

[Gstank]

I believe nyr did as well based on comments from some vetted people

with the Rangers obvious target of physical players this off season (acquiring Blais and Reeves while drafting Othermann) I would think they were going to take Boucher at 14 if he was available

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Seems like there is a ton of intrigue with him amongst hockey fans