RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[umma gumma]

Umm, what?
Them telling ”You tvgms can stick it, sens have drafted well before, this is a good pick” isn’t any different than saying ”the pick was a reach, he wasn’t top 20 in listings, what a waste” because he has not proved either opinion right, it’s literally exactly the same.

What I've been seeing is push back from posts saying the Sens screwed up, that they can't draft, and that Boucher was a reach at 10 in the most abnormal draft ever. It seems some are already convinced Boucher is a bust before playing a game simply because he didn't make their list. No one knows what Boucher will do, and it is way to early to say he is not worthy of a top 10 pick. Maybe one day that can be true, but it is most certainly an unknown today.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

I shouldn't look at stats but 1 pt in 6pts doesn't bode much confidence. What's going on?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

College hockey is an adjustment and he missed almost all of last season. He’s a player with a skillset that there isn’t much of in today’s game. Give him 2-3 years of college hockey and then he’ll be ready for the NHL. He’s not going to play in the NHL in April. He’s a power forward. They often take longer to develop. Chris Kreider was a top 20 pick and was nowhere near 1PPG until his third year of college hockey. You don’t want to rush Boucher to the NHL.

 

[ToasterStutzle]

Sure, Mark Hunter was a flop. Kinda reminds me of Ottawa's drafting recently actually. We were all so excited for a bunch of guys to flop. Just glad he didn't waste 1st rounders like Dorion.

Since Dubas took over in 2018 I'd like to see you find a pick that isn't trending well besides Bouthillier. Have fun!

In a bubble, if were going to say 2018 was the start of him getting the final pick he's only made 2 1st round picks. Rasmus Sandin, who looks like a top 4 dman and Rodin Amirov who really hasn't done much in the KHL to warrant him being a considered trending upwards, unless your talking to a Leafs fan.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but outside of Nick Robertson and Sandin (15GP total, Pinto has 16GP.), not a single prospect Dubas has drafted have played in the NHL. In comparison, Ottawa has had 4 players play in the show, 3 fulltime with at least 1 more joining them by seasons end.

Sometimes it's hard to take off the rose colored glasses, but Dubas has done nothing to prove he drafts well. Dorion has had a very successful history drafting in comparison. The irrational hate is irrational.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

The "played in the NHL " rationale when comparing the Leafs and Ottawa really doesn't apply.

There are no Marners or Mathews in the Senators lineup preventing prospects from getting top six slots.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

In a bubble, if were going to say 2018 was the start of him getting the final pick he's only made 2 1st round picks. Rasmus Sandin, who looks like a top 4 dman and Rodin Amirov who really hasn't done much in the KHL to warrant him being a considered trending upwards, unless your talking to a Leafs fan.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but outside of Nick Robertson and Sandin (15GP total, Pinto has 16GP.), not a single prospect Dubas has drafted have played in the NHL. In comparison, Ottawa has had 4 players play in the show, 3 fulltime with at least 1 more joining them by seasons end.

Sometimes it's hard to take off the rose colored glasses, but Dubas has done nothing to prove he drafts well. Dorion has had a very successful history drafting in comparison. The irrational hate is irrational.

Considering Ottawa has been rebuilding while Toronto has iced competitive teams, no doubt Ottawa will have played more prospects. They've also drafted higher so their picks are more likely to play sooner.

 

[Dominance]

Immediately obviously brutal pick continues to be brutal but cannot be criticized because NHL scouts have some magic insight into said pick’s projectability. I don’t know, man.

Seems a pretty clear case of the Sens outsmarting themselves. I’ll happily eat ample crow if I end up wrong on this, but it seems pretty clear cut.

 

[wetcoast]

Immediately obviously brutal pick continues to be brutal but cannot be criticized because NHL scouts have some magic insight into said pick’s project ability. I don’t know, man.

Seems a pretty clear case of the Sens outsmarting themselves. I’ll happily eat ample crow if I end up wrong on this, but it seems pretty clear cut.

Same thing with their seconder rounder Zack Ostapchuk as they reached for a big guy and not the BPA at least IMO.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Immediately obviously brutal pick continues to be brutal but cannot be criticized because NHL scouts have some magic insight into said pick’s project ability. I don’t know, man.

Seems a pretty clear case of the Sens outsmarting themselves. I’ll happily eat ample crow if I end up wrong on this, but it seems pretty clear cut.

Relax, it's way too early to say it was a bad pick.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Relax, it's way too early to say it was a bad pick.

If you're going to claim any pick was bad this is easily the one though. Read the first page of this thread, everyone had him as a second rounder. It's not like he's done much yet to warrant the 10th overall selection, especially with how a guy like Sillinger is doing who just got drafted right after him.

 

[Dominance]

Relax, it's way too early to say it was a bad pick.

I don’t think it was too early to say it was a bad pick as the second syllable of “Boucher” was being announced, to be honest.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

If you're going to claim any pick was bad this is easily the one though. Read the first page of this thread, everyone had him as a second rounder. It's not like he's done much yet to warrant the 10th overall selection, especially with how a guy like Sillinger is doing who just got drafted right after him.

Doesn't mean jack; they're in their D+1 year; you don't make definitive statements and sound reasonable without waiting at least 3 years.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You also can’t judge Boucher based only on points. It’d be like looking at Wilson’s totals and saying he’s an average second line forward.

 

[ToasterStutzle]

Considering Ottawa has been rebuilding while Toronto has iced competitive teams, no doubt Ottawa will have played more prospects. They've also drafted higher so their picks are more likely to play sooner.

That's why I posted Pinto's GP (2nd round pick who was also a "reach") rather than Tkachuk or Stutzle.

Toronto's depth is less than impressive, so I'm not exactly sure the mentality of all these upwards trending players not being able to break into the roster.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

That's why I posted Pinto's GP (2nd round pick who was also a "reach") rather than Tkachuk or Stutzle.

Toronto's depth is less than impressive, so I'm not exactly sure the mentality of all these upwards trending players not being able to break into the roster.

I'm not trying to defend Toronto's depth or anything. Pinto was the 1st pick of the second round though, so even if that was a "reach" and he should've went later in that round, 2nd round picks still get to the NHL relatively fast.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I'm not trying to defend Toronto's depth or anything. Pinto was the 1st pick of the second round though, so even if that was a "reach" and he should've went later in that round, 2nd round picks still get to the NHL relatively fast.

Pinto 'should've' gone 50th on the day of the draft, but 'would' top 15 in a re-draft. Seems like a common trend with Sens picks.

Same thing with their seconder rounder Zack Ostapchuk as they reached for a big guy and not the BPA at least IMO.

Ostapchuk was the player who most improved his stock at training camp. Coach loves him. I am sure they just disagree with you over who was BPA.

 

[Korpse]

I don’t think it was too early to say it was a bad pick as the second syllable of “Boucher” was being announced, to be honest.

Which is crazy because the draft is all about projection but people love to evaluate picks based on the player when that pick is made, so I'm not surprised.

 

[Masked]

Same thing with their seconder rounder Zack Ostapchuk as they reached for a big guy and not the BPA at least IMO.

Seems like a ridiculous statement to make for such an unusual draft year about a player who stood out in an NHL training camp and has only played 4 junior games since getting drafted.

Assen na yo!

 

[wetcoast]

Seems like a ridiculous statement to make for such an unusual draft year about a player who stood out in an NHL training camp and has only played 4 junior games since getting drafted.

Assen na yo!

I watch a ton of Giants games and Zack Ostapchuk was a reach IMO.

Also how is my statement ridiculous as I bet both players weren't rated nearly as high as they were drafted by any scouting service out there.

 

[ToasterStutzle]

The "played in the NHL " rationale when comparing the Leafs and Ottawa really doesn't apply.

There are no Marners or Mathews in the Senators lineup preventing prospects from getting top six slots.

Interesting that 4 guys (I included Nylander and Tavares) can keep these high end prospects out of the lineup on a 21 man roster. Weirdly enough, the Leafs continue to sign UFAs to fill these peasant spots while Matthews and Marner are blocking all these ELC contracts from helping their cap situation.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Immediately obviously brutal pick continues to be brutal but cannot be criticized because NHL scouts have some magic insight into said pick’s projectability. I don’t know, man.

Seems a pretty clear case of the Sens outsmarting themselves. I’ll happily eat ample crow if I end up wrong on this, but it seems pretty clear cut.

Look at Tom Wilson’s numbers in juniors - wasn’t even close to a PPG in his draft year, then put up mediocre numbers in his D+1 year.
Boucher’s impact isnt always felt on the scoresheet. He’ll get there.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Debut that doesn't seem like a big deal while Sillinger is credible in NHL.

99% of the hockey world saw Sillinger better than Boucher.

The first post-drafts trends confirm.

Zack Ostapchuk and Ben Roger don't seem to be up to par either.

The selections of Johansson and Latimer were more logical but they are not favorite players to break into NHL.

The strategy of selecting players who have played very little does not pay off. Fortunately.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Debut that doesn't seem like a big deal while Sillinger is credible in NHL.

99% of the hockey world saw Sillinger better than Boucher.

The first post-drafts trends confirm.

Zack Ostapchuk and Ben Roger don't seem to be up to par either.

The selections of Johansson and Latimer were more logical but they are not favorite players to break into NHL.

The strategy of selecting players who have played very little does not pay off. Fortunately.

In regards to the bolded: Its been literally 3 months since the draft…. any third to fifth round pick aren't favourites to make the NHL…

Ostapchuk was one of Ottawa’s best players in their training camp, im sure Ottawa is very happy with his selection.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

In regards to the bolded: Its been literally 3 months since the draft…. any third to fifth round pick aren't favourites to make the NHL…

Ostapchuk was one of Ottawa’s best players in their training camp, im sure Ottawa is very happy with his selection.

As mentioned, the most questionable choices are the first three. Johansson and Latimer were acceptable selections from my point of view but that probably won't be enough to make up for the previous picks. In my favorite team, I hear a lot of enthusiasm for players who will never play NHL. At best Zack Ostapchuk can become a 4th row winger. There were better choices in my opinion. Not really the player profile that I will select with the 38th pick.

If I compare Boucher / Ostapchuk / Roger with the three following players (Sillinger / Morrow / Chibrikov) Ottawa looks bad.

It's unfortunate to miss out on good players, especially with a 10th pick. I hope that for 2022 Ottawa will not select someone other than Wright, Savoie, Nelson, top 1-2 USDP's player, Jiricek, Nemec, Iurov, Miroshnichenko, Kemell, Lambert as top 10 pick.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

As mentioned, the most questionable choices are the first three. Johansson and Latimer were acceptable selections from my point of view but that probably won't be enough to make up for the previous picks. In my favorite team, I hear a lot of enthusiasm for players who will never play NHL. At best Zack Ostapchuk can become a 4th row winger. There were better choices in my opinion. Not really the player profile that I will select with the 38th pick.

If I compare Boucher / Ostapchuk / Roger with the three following players (Sillinger / Morrow / Chibrikov) Ottawa looks bad.

It's unfortunate to miss out on good players, especially with a 10th pick. I hope that for 2022 Ottawa will not select someone other than Wright, Savoie, Nelson, top 1-2 USDP's player, Jiricek, Nemec, Iurov, Miroshnichenko, Kemell, Lambert as top 10 pick.

Ostapchuk likely becomes a third line power forward for Ottawa in the mold of Josh Anderson. His speed with his frame and hands all scream NHLer. The only real question is his hockey sense which is up in the air right now.

Doubt Ottawa selects top-10 in this years draft unless injurys continue to ravage their team.

Ottawa has a good history of Drafting - People said the exact same things when Ottawa selected Tkachuk, and Pinto, and Sokolov, and Greig etc…
Until they prove otherwise (which you cant’t until around 5-6 years after a draft anyway) they deserve the benefit of the doubt.