RW Tyler Boucher - Belleville Senators, AHL (2021, 10th, OTT)

[bert]

The previous suspension in the OHL was a slewfoot which is an automatic suspension, which you would know if you follow the league. If they are a hater maybe realize you're also a homer in this case.

I don't get the Wilson comparisons that much; Boucher is physical and has good size, but Wilson was even stronger with great size and better production. Boucher is in his 4th year of OHL eligibility putting up a PPG in the OHL, whereas Wilson was playing his first season in the NHL at the same age/stage of development.

Wasn't a slew foot. Clear as day he was just stronger and it was an unfortunate fall. Was it a real slew foot he would have got way more games. Same hit happens every game.

 

[bert]

Anytime you say any single bad thing about Ottawa players/posters you automatically just get called a hater by that poster. I usually just ignore that part from him, you always know it’s coming

You do it in every thread doesn't matter the player. That is the definition of being a hater.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You do it in every thread doesn't matter the player. That is the definition of being a hater.

Example A

 

[nbwingsfan]

And he didn't become a decent NHLer until his 5th full season in the NHL.
Who cares if he played in the NHL when he was 19; he wasn't the player he is now...
Boucher could also put up a measly 10 points playing with NHLers...

He can’t even put up PPG currently playing on a stacked team as a 19yo against players much smaller than him. He absolutely should be dominating at that age and size if he had any semblance of offensive potential

Wilson put up 58 in 48 at 18 years old. Boucher wasn’t even remotely close to that at 18.

Wilson showed much more offensive potential.

 

[Korpse]

He can’t even put up PPG currently playing on a stacked team as a 19yo against players much smaller than him. He absolutely should be dominating at that age and size if he had any semblance of offensive potential

What about Boucher's play makes you believe there isn't any semblance of offensive potential?

He's never going to be a play driver, that's not his game and he doesn't try to play that type of game. I see plenty of tools that translate well to higher levels beyond his size. As a complimentary player I think he has the skill to play with skilled players. I think his offensive potential is going to depend on the situation he finds himself in.

 

[bert]

Example A

Must be a joke. Every single sens related thread and you're in there... It's sad and strange the team is terrible.

 

[nbwingsfan]

What about Boucher's play makes you believe there isn't any semblance of offensive potential?

He's never going to be a play driver, that's not his game and he doesn't try to play that type of game. I see plenty of tools that translate well to higher levels beyond his size. As a complimentary player I think he has the skill to play with skilled players. I think his offensive potential is going to depend on the situation he finds himself in.

Players who put up these kind of numbers at 19 just don’t turn into good NHL players. Especially ones at his size who should be absolutely handling players in the OHL.

He’s playing with very skilled players on one of the top teams in the CHL right now and is still putting up very pedestrian numbers for someone who’s supposed to be anything more than a 4th line guy in the NHL

 

[Korpse]

Players who put up these kind of numbers at 19 just don’t turn into good NHL players. Especially ones at his size who should be absolutely handling players in the OHL

So what is it about his play on the ice concerns you?

 

[rt]

Suspended again

That Boudreau kid is extremely fortunate that first haymaker from Boucher didn’t connect. He’d have sent his jaw into orbit.

 

[nbwingsfan]

So what is it about his play on the ice concerns you?

Zero hockey IQ, which is incredibly important to actually being successful outside of a grinder in the NHL

 

[bert]

Zero hockey IQ, which is incredibly important to actually being successful outside of a grinder in the NHL

Hmm strange way to describe the player. He has shown that he knows what his job is and its quite obvious his game is suited for pro. He showed it in the exhibition games he played this year.

Hockey IQ is a really easy way out when you dont watch the player. His lack of continuity has been an issue for consistency. He wont be getting suspended for these types of plays in pro for the most part so he will get more consistent reps.

Yet again everyone agrees it was a massive reach no one thinks that he should have been picked where he was. But if you cant identify what type of player he has the potential to become at the next level which is likely a bottom 6 energy player. Well thats on you.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Hmm strange way to describe the player. He has shown that he knows what his job is and its quite obvious his game is suited for pro. He showed it in the exhibition games he played this year.

Hockey IQ is a really easy way out when you dont watch the player.

Yes, he’s very good at being a grinder. A quality 4th liner like a Kolsesar. That’s about it.

Can you point to me any top 6 players like some posters here still think he can be who have performed like him in junior?

 

[bert]

Yes, he’s very good at being a grinder. A quality 4th liner like a Kolsesar. That’s about it.

Can you point to me any top 6 players like some posters here still think he can be who have performed like him in junior?

Not a single person has suggested that. Do you even read the thread?

This guy seems like an absolute moron with very little emotional restraint.

Those players rarely last long in the NHL

You literally just posted this. Or did you forget, seems like you are contradicting yourself.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Not a single person has suggested that. Do you even read the thread?



You literally just posted this. Or did you forget, seems like you are contradicting yourself.

Going back just 4 pages finds 5 different posters predicting hi NHL totals as anywhere from 40-60pts lol. He will be lucky to reach that in junior at this rate

 

[bert]

Going back just 4 pages finds 5 different posters predicting hi NHL totals as anywhere from 40-60pts lol. He will be lucky to reach that in junior at this rate

Why dont you quote them then?.... He is scoring at just under a ppg pace right now. Another loser comment. Whats with the obsession anyway?

 

[Korpse]

Zero hockey IQ, which is incredibly important to actually being successful outside of a grinder in the NHL

Zero hockey IQ? Is that a reference to his overly aggressive physical play? He's definitely put himself in some tough situations and missed games as a result. I do believe that's something he can overcome, especially as he moves up levels.

In terms of his offensive hockey IQ, he isn't the type of player who is a step ahead of his opponents but I think it's a little harsh to say he has zero hockey IQ or even that it's an issue. At the OHL level he can be fairly cerebral, displays good timing and understands patterns in game flow. Given how some describe him as a player I think they would be surprised with his ability to slow the game down and the poise he has on the puck. If there's anything that's going to limit his offensive potential it's his lack of deception and at times a heavy touch on the puck. With experience I think he can learn to use his physical attributes to create space rather than relying on deception. I think the criticism of hockey IQ is a little bizarre if you are referencing his offensive potential.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Why dont you quote them then?.... He is scoring at just under a ppg pace right now. Another loser comment. Whats with the obsession anyway?

The bolded is not the compliment you think it is for a 19yo top 10 pick playing on a stacked team

 

[bert]

The bolded is not the compliment you think it is for a 19yo top 10 pick playing on a stacked team

You said he wouldnt do it... Literally in your last post. Unbelievable stuff.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Zero hockey IQ? Is that a reference to his overly aggressive physical play? He's definitely put himself in some tough situations and missed games as a result. I do believe that's something he can overcome, especially as he moves up levels.

In terms of his offensive hockey IQ, he isn't the type of player who is a step ahead of his opponents but I think it's a little harsh to say he has zero hockey IQ or even that it's an issue. At the OHL level he can be fairly cerebral, displays good timing and understands patterns in game flow. Given how some describe him as a player I think they would be surprised with his ability to slow the game down and the poise he has on the puck. If there's anything that's going to limit his offensive potential it's his lack of deception and at times a heavy touch on the puck. With experience I think he can learn to use his physical attributes to create space rather than relying on deception. I think the criticism of hockey IQ is a little bizarre if you are referencing his offensive potential.

Yes he plays incredibly emotionally and it’s gotten him into trouble a lot.

At timesHeavy hands is being very generous, he looks like he has zero offensive creativity, not great at using his size to create space offensively and struggles at puck handling

He’ll be a good cycle on the bottom lines if he makes it, but nothing else in his game shows anything else.

I’m still waiting for someone to show me someone who was PPG or below at 19 and then became anything more than a 4th line guy? There’s gotta be some examples right?

You said he wouldnt do it... Literally in your last post. Unbelievable stuff.

I said he will be lucky to reach that 40-60pt range. With how much he keeps being suspended and brutal production for his age he very well might not

 

[bert]

Yes he plays incredibly emotionally and it’s gotten him into trouble a lot.

At timesHeavy hands is being very generous, he looks like he has zero offensive creativity, not great at using his size to create space offensively and struggles at puck handling

He’ll be a good cycle on the bottom lines if he makes it, but nothing else in his game shows anything else.

I’m still waiting for someone to show me someone who was PPG or below at 19 and then became anything more than a 4th line guy? There’s gotta be some examples right?


I said he will be lucky to reach that 40-60pt range. With how much he keeps being suspended and brutal production for his age he very well might not

8 goals and 14 points in 15 games while being a physical force and playing his role. BLAAAHhh HE SuckS, 10th OA blaaahhh. Everyone knows it was a reach man. We get it. Doesnt mean he wont be an effective bottom 6er.

Your complete inability to project a player and what their role will be at the NHL level is astounding.

 

[nbwingsfan]

8 goals and 14 points in 15 games while being a physical force and playing his role. BLAAAHhh HE SuckS, 10th OA blaaahhh. Everyone knows it was a reach man. We get it. Doesnt mean he wont be an effective bottom 6er.

Your complete inability to project a player and what their role will be at the NHL level is astounding.

Effective 4th line player maybe.

I’m still waiting for you to bring up players with that kind of production who were more than 4th liners in the NHL? There must be a few right?

 

[bert]

Effective 4th line player maybe.

I’m still waiting for you to bring up players with that kind of production who were more than 4th liners in the NHL? There must be a few right?

I am still waiting for you to bring up all the people saying he projects as a top 6 forward. I have seen your post history, your ability to project players has been horrid. So how or why you are so confident he will be a 4th liner at best gives me hope he can be a solid 3rd liner.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He's only 1 point below 1PPG. He also has the highest goals per game on a team that has two drafted players and a bunch of good 2023 draft eligibles.

The idea that he's a bad offensive player is completely wrong.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He's only 1 point below 1PPG. He also has the highest goals per game on a team that has two drafted players and a bunch of good 2023 draft eligibles.

The idea that he's a bad offensive player is completely wrong.

How many players who are good offensive players are short of PPG in their D+2 despite being bigger and stronger than pretty much everyone?

 

[Korpse]

At timesHeavy hands is being very generous, he looks like he has zero offensive creativity, not great at using his size to create space offensively and struggles at puck handling

He’ll be a good cycle on the bottom lines if he makes it, but nothing else in his game shows anything else.

I’m still waiting for someone to show me someone who was PPG or below at 19 and then became anything more than a 4th line guy? There’s gotta be some examples right?

I think he can be better at using his size to create space but find his ability to control the puck in traffic to actually be quite good, and definitely wouldn't say he has zero creativity though not high end. There's a lot of development to go for Boucher but I find your hard stance on him being nothing more than a 4th liner perplexing. It's not like Boucher doesn't have any redeeming qualities outside of his physicality, he shows more than being good on the cycle.

I find your qualifier so odd especially considering Boucher's 19 year old season is so young. There's a good number of names I could list but using a stat line to define a player is so shallow, it holds no relevance. Nobody is saying Boucher is going to be star in this league, some see the potential to be a useful player even if he isn't high end. He very well could never become a full time NHL player but the stance you are arguing is so rigid. It's strange.