RW Pavel Buchnevich (2013, 75th, NYR)

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scoutman1

you dont get my point.. unfortunatelly.

About Zetterberg. You wrote
Landeskog did a good job over here eh, went from a potential 1st rounder to 2nd overall in the draft....
So, he was projected as 1st rounder and was drafted as 2nd overall becaue he played CHL. I wrote example of Zetterberg - draft possition is not important. You can become great player if you are drafted in 7th round or undrafted. Or you can fail as 1st overall - Daigle, Stefan. That is all, draft is not important for your developing. So scouts are not important for kids. Only coaches are. End of story.

I never said they are not scouted in Russia or Europe I said MORE...the word MORE exposure in North America...
and I said you problem is that agents say "come over as soon as possible because CHL is better scouted, you have better chance to be drafted. If you stay at home your change is less" That is bad attitude. You can become pro if you are not drafted - Bobrovsky case. End of story.

im saying CHL does not ruin kids coming from Europe, even the change in game play which if the kid wants to play NHL has to adjust too anyway.
why should I play CHL if I have great league at home? CHL wont make me better than my domestic league. CHL can make me the same level or worse. Not other option. I see only negatives about leaving europe at this age of life. I dont see positives for kids which they dont have at home. End of story
 
CHL vs MHL/KHL route

Lets Bring some Sanity to this point.

1) Not every kid is built to go to the CHL at a young age due to the emotional maturity required to make the leap.

2) The KHL really hurts themselves with this one by trying to lock up players that will be NHL ready at 19 up until they are 22. These kids started leaving because they started outsmarting the system, playing in juniors and then the MHL until they need to sign their entry-level deal with the KHL, it allows them to bypass the Russian -NHL Transfer agreement altogether.

3) If you are a truly elite player that is capable of receiving top 6 ice time as a 17-18 year old rookie in the KHL, then I think the KHL can be a great route for development. The KHL is the toughest league to score in in the world. This can ruin a young player's development if they aren't prepared or can't earn proper ice time, or just can't hack it in that environment. This logic would apply to any kid looking at SM-Liiga, Elitserien, or Allsvenskan as well.

4) The CHL is the best set of competitive junior leagues in the world. For anyone but a top flight 17-year old european talent (A malkin, ovechkin, cherepanov, tarasenko, kuznetsov, kovalchuk, yakupov, grigorenko, peter forsberg, sedin brothers, granlund, etc.), who are able to earn top 6 ice time in a men's pro league, the CHL is the best option. It allows a player to play the best 20 and under competition while being able to get deserved top 6 ice time, and also allows them to begin learning the NA game in a league that certainly has much more time and space than he will see in the AHL or NHL.

5.) If a player is not going to receive top ice-time in the CHL, they should find a competitive league in Europe where they can receive top ice time. Go to germany, go to Finland, wherever. Most of the best finnish prospects have no trouble becoming top 20 scorers in the SM-Liiga by the time they turn 17/18. The problem with those kids is that they need to progress beyond that level of competition.

6.) As for the USHL vs CHL debate. The CHL is still roughly more than twice as difficult to play in as the USHL. And the rate of NHL success from USHL players is pretty bad when compared to CHL players. Look, I'm american, I love the USHL, but they have not produced enough guys (outside of the USNTDP) to make me believe that it's really a sound development plan for Europeans. We'll see how Girgensons adapts. The list of good players that came from USHL development is small. Thomas Vanek, Paul Stastny, etc.

In conclusion, for all of my studies of player development, it's all about finding the most competitive league you can where you can individually succeed. For many, the CHL provides a great balance of learning the NA game, and playing against great competition.
 
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im saying CHL does not ruin kids coming from Europe, even the change in game play which if the kid wants to play NHL has to adjust too anyway.

why should I play CHL if I have great league at home? CHL wont make me better than my domestic league. CHL can make me the same level or worse. Not other option. I see only negatives about leaving europe at this age of life. I dont see positives for kids which they dont have at home. End of story

Here you go, read this scoutman...hopefully you get it this time...as i said previously NA guys dont get....why?? Its in their blood, they live in a dream world, Don Cherry types.

and the adjustment part ..??? F* you, seriously? after so much talk, so many examples of players not needing that adjustment once they older (20-22)
yeah they wont fly from first game...5-10 games and you done..no need to spend your development years in a different system when you get it in 10 games.

Play NA get drafted 1st round... play MHL/KHL get drafted 5th round ------ what decides if you make than NHL team is how you do at the training camp, if you make the final roster, not your draft rank.
 
Dares
I understand why NA guys dont get it. Maybe my argumantation is useless in these cases.

2) The KHL really hurts themselves with this one by trying to lock up players that will be NHL ready at 19 up until they are 22. These kids started leaving because they started outsmarting the system, playing in juniors and then the MHL until they need to sign their entry-level deal with the KHL, it allows them to bypass the Russian -NHL Transfer agreement altogether.
What? Do you know KHL rules? All you wrote is NOT true. These kids are NOT leaving because they started outsmarting the system. They ARE leaving because of agents
How the hell Grigorenko outsmarted system? He was one of kids who was younger in MHL last season. He had nice stats but not best of whole league. Kucherov had better stats than him when he was at the same age a few years ago. Buchnevich had better stats this season, he is also one of youngers guys in league (born 1995). You can play MHL this season if you was born 1990-1994, if you are great you can get exception (born 1995). Kamaev had worse stats last season than Grigorenko. The same story with Yakupov, Khokhlachev, others. NOBODY of them outsmarted the system

to KHL entry-level - you dont know how it works. Kid signs it at the age of 17 So, 1995 year of birth next summer, 1994 year of birth last summer. Grigorenko and Kamaev refused it. I agree they bypassed the Russian -NHL Transfer agreement. Entry contracts allowes you to play KHL or MHL, depends on your quality. Slepyshev, born 1994, signed it last summer and whole season played KHL + few MHL matches.
Please study KHL rules
 
agents have always been in the scene...I agree with the guy above that you know not all Russian players want to wait untill they are in there 20s to play in the NHL...I see the hate in people above for North American hockey calling us Don Cherry types and stuff, but im not going to stero type like that...i work in the QMJHL and I have spoken to Grigorenko on a number of occosians and I know for a fact it was not his agent that told him to come over or else,,,same as Yakupov, Yakupov wanted to come over himself, Grigorenko wanted the fast track to the NHL...like it or not...

that said NO ONE said anything bad about Russia development system and just said it could be good for these guys to learn the North American game since they are going to have to learn it anyway to play in the NHL if that is the route they want.....


you know over here agents try to get quick bucks too some players agents try to hold them out of CHL to get the team to give money for them to play there and games like that....but agents have been a part of the game forever.
 
I have spoken to Grigorenko on a number of occosians and I know for a fact it was not his agent that told him to come over or else,,
you are so naive
 
Kuchin, exforward Sudbury, should play VHL (2nd tier russian senior league) next season. Did not he work hard in OHL? Why he want be superstar in KHL but will play lowel league? The same story.. majority of ex-euro CHLer follow similar route after coming home. It is fact, ask IIHF

http://rsport.ru/hockey/20120419/592456248.html
 
Wow, did this thread ever get derailed.

Tell me more about this Buchnevich player. How big is he? Was are his strengths and why might people project him to go high in next year's draft?
 
Kuchin, exforward Sudbury, should play VHL (2nd tier russian senior league) next season. Did not he work hard in OHL? Why he want be superstar in KHL but will play lowel league? The same story.. majority of ex-euro CHLer follow similar route after coming home. It is fact, ask IIHF

http://rsport.ru/hockey/20120419/592456248.html

you mean kuchin who ever made most russian teams...left Russia because he was not getting playing time, never got along with his coach...the same guy who had attitude problems and was lazy....that guy....im not sure why he never made the KHL must have been because he played CHL.
 
Glad to hear that Andrei Nazarov, the new coach of Severstal, will be bringing in this kid to KHL and working closely with him.

Nazarov can be credited for bringing up Kuznetsov, Panarin, Anisin and a many other guys. He's very patient with youngsters and knows how to work with them. Great news for Buchnevich.

If he does crack the KHL team, I wouldn't be surprised to see him at the WJC.
 
What area of the draft is Buchnevich projected to go in

I don't know, but some experts are really high on him. Bragin said that he looks a lot like Malkin when he was young. Bragin did coach Malkin in the U20.

After an impressive year as a super under ager in the MHL, if he goes to KHL next season- I don't see why 1st round isn't possible. But there a lot of 'Ifs' and a lot of time to go still. Comparing him to Nichushkin, production is significantly better. I would say more technically gifted as well.
 
I don't know, but some experts are really high on him. Bragin said that he looks a lot like Malkin when he was young. Bragin did coach Malkin in the U20.

After an impressive year as a super under ager in the MHL, if he goes to KHL next season- I don't see why 1st round isn't possible. But there a lot of 'Ifs' and a lot of time to go still. Comparing him to Nichushkin, production is significantly better. I would say more technically gifted as well.
Thanks
 
Scored today in U-18.

One timer on the PP.

Who does he compare too?
 
Not comparing his all round game to Semin, but he certainly moves very dynamic with the puck and shooting like Semin does. Relies on skill and speed more than strength where a Malkin or Nichushkin use strength are guys who have the strength advantage.
 

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