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RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 6

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ViD said:
Well, Since the Flyers are in the free fall, it might be time to let Torts go
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A bad week. Hardly free fall. Flyers just took two of three games from the Devils and had won four straight at home prior to this recent skid.

The Devils game skidded off the rails after the Tippett injury and the power plays. The Islanders and Avalanche are two.of the hotter (veteran) teams in the league.

Both games were competitive and teaching experiences on what playoff hockey looks like.
 
Jersey Fan 12 said:
A bad week. Hardly free fall. Flyers just took two of three games from the Devils and had won four straight at home prior to this recent skid.

The Devils game skidded off the rails after the Tippett injury and the power plays. The Islanders and Avalanche are two.of the hotter (veteran) teams in the league.

Both games were competitive and teaching experiences on what playoff hockey looks like.
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They’re 7 points away from a WC spot having played more games.

Their season is over, let Torts go
 
Everyone knew this kid doesn't play defense. He famously doesn't play defense. You either live with it and build around it, or you don't play him. He's never going to change his style of play. He's not that kind of person.
 
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waffledave said:
Everyone knew this kid doesn't play defense. He famously doesn't play defense. You either live with it and build around it, or you don't play him. He's never going to change his style of play. He's not that kind of person.
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I feel 'doesn't play defense' and 'good defense' aren't the only asks of a player, especially a winger.

Michkov has a lot of room to grow and a lot of age to grow into it. He likely will never be great at defense, he likely will never be Selke level.

He'll likely develop the skills and confidence to be effective to his team despite those shortcomings. He'll understand how to be an outlet pass, how to support the breakout, how to be a support option for board battles, etc. He'll learn to understand when the offense is looking to get the puck up high and when they are going to cycle low and will be able to get to his spots to pressure his options.
 
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Who knew this was gonna happen with Torts as Coach (oh wait, everyone). Flyers need to be in a spot to be developing young talent, not trying to play as low event hockey as possible to get games into overtime and hang on for dear life in the standings. A young talented rookie like that needs to be developing his ways and consistency in terms of generating offense at the NHL level. You don't want to coach the offense and risk-taking out of him too soon because you're trying to get him to treat every shift like Triple Overtime in Game 7.
 
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FlyguyOX said:
Yep, well on his way to being a one dimensional winger! Exactly what everyone had imagined!
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Bold of you to make such a long range determination based on play as a 19 year old developing his offense which is the thing you most want a player of that level to be doing.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Well there's 2 here:

Neither of those breakaways were a result of him cheating out of the d-zone early. 1 of them was on a 3 on 3 OT goal..

Playing defence when the other team has the puck in your zone isn't really a "system', it's just "hockey".
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What about this?

www.nhl.com

Michkov opens on the breakaway | NHL.com

Matvei Michkov grabs the pass from Travis Sanheim, streaks in alone and wires it in past the glove of Charlie Lindgren, opening the scoring late in the 1st on the breakaway
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Kshahdoo said:
What about this?

www.nhl.com

Michkov opens on the breakaway | NHL.com

Matvei Michkov grabs the pass from Travis Sanheim, streaks in alone and wires it in past the glove of Charlie Lindgren, opening the scoring late in the 1st on the breakaway
www.nhl.com www.nhl.com
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Not to diminish the play but that was deeply uncomfortable to watch. Gave me flashbacks of my coaches yelling at me in junior for cheating the zone. I almost wanted to sit myself to the bench and I haven't even put a pair of skates on in a year lol
 
Just Linda said:
Not to diminish the play but that was deeply uncomfortable to watch. Gave me flashbacks of my coaches yelling at me in junior for cheating the zone. I almost wanted to sit myself to the bench and I haven't even put a pair of skates on in a year lol
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It's not cheating on defense, Bure scored like 100 goals like this, and no one was considering it's cheating on defense, it's calculated risk and it works for Michkov.
 
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Just Linda said:
Not to diminish the play but that was deeply uncomfortable to watch. Gave me flashbacks of my coaches yelling at me in junior for cheating the zone. I almost wanted to sit myself to the bench and I haven't even put a pair of skates on in a year lol
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It'll be cheating if he does it all the time, but he does it only when he thinks there is a good chance to get the puck being all alone behind opponents' defense. I call this anticipation and smartness.
 
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Zine said:
And let's not forget the Flyers can't score goals. Calculated risks are needed when everything else (ahem, Torts' grinding game) isn't working.
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There are definitely enough grinders and board hogs on this team. And I wouldn't even say that Michkov's board game is bad, he actually wins a lot of his board battles and also pretty good at protecting the puck in them.
 
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dendazen said:
It's not cheating on defense, Bure scored like 100 goals like this, and no one was considering it's cheating on defense, it's calculated risk and it works for Michkov.
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Even the announcer acknowledges it as cheating.

And this narrative of Bure cheating is bs too. I invite you to find me examples of Bure springing before his dmen have the puck. Bure would play the zone high but 90% of the time he started the played from his high zone not from neutral ice. One of Bure's strongest skills was transition disruption, so many of his breakaways are caused by him forcing the dmen to cough the puck or him catching the pass. The call "intercepted by Bure" was one of the most frequently repeated calls on the radio back in the day.
 
Kshahdoo said:
It'll be cheating if he does it all the time, but he does it only when he thinks there is a good chance to get the puck being all alone behind opponents' defense. I call this anticipation and smartness.
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Zine said:
And let's not forget the Flyers can't score goals. Calculated risks are needed when everything else (ahem, Torts' grinding game) isn't working.
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#17, Michkov's coverage, is Strome, a nearly point per game player this year and the one who's leading Washington in points. In that play linked, Strome is left completely alone in the middle of the ice, Michkov is more than a few seconds away from him for the majority of Chychrun's play to the net. Chychrun took a weak shot but had Strome open that entire play, Michkov was already gone.

There's calculated risks, and then theres... that play.

Do you believe that Michkov knew that Chychrun would take a weak shot into a defender? Do you believe that Michkov had the anticipation to know that Strome wouldn't get a pass to the wide open middle of the ice?

Bad plays can sometimes have good results, that play is an example of exactly what Michkov shouldn't be doing. Regardless of how good a player is at scoring, you can't leave top players alone in prime real estate, there's far far more chance that play would've ended with a Strome goal than a Michkov goal.
 
Just Linda said:
Even the announcer acknowledges it as cheating.

And this narrative of Bure cheating is bs too. I invite you to find me examples of Bure springing before his dmen have the puck. Bure would play the zone high but 90% of the time he started the played from his high zone not from neutral ice. One of Bure's strongest skills was transition disruption, so many of his breakaways are caused by him forcing the dmen to cough the puck or him catching the pass. The call "intercepted by Bure" was one of the most frequently repeated calls on the radio back in the day.
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Lol okay, he probably was a lot more rounded earlier in his career. Later on he was a notorious cherry-picker and scored bunch of these goals, and I am not talking mid zone, but from high off his zone, I rarely seen him playing defense and boards in Florida, in fact a lot of scoring snipers played similar. Also cherry picking, or various forms of it, can be a deliberate tactic that can work quite well if it makes the opponent team wary or back up on its toes. I just don't see your "deeply uncomfortable to watch". You know who is deeply uncomfortable to watch people like you who criticize young talent who brings fun to the game like Michkov for no apparent reason.
 
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