RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 5

[C0DITH]

Flyers need to pray one of Hagens/Misa/McQueen/ect fall in their lap come the draft. There is a chance they could walk away from this draft loaded up, possibly the best they ever have. See if they move more assets come TDL/Draft to push those chips in.

 

[SaSaShi]

Flyers need to pray one of Hagens/Misa/McQueen/ect fall in their lap come the draft. There is a chance they could walk away from this draft loaded up, possibly the best they ever have. See if they move more assets come TDL/Draft to push those chips in.

Is Misa a projected center though in the NHL?

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Flyers need to pray one of Hagens/Misa/McQueen/ect fall in their lap come the draft. There is a chance they could walk away from this draft loaded up, possibly the best they ever have. See if they move more assets come TDL/Draft to push those chips in.

If the Flyers get Hagens, holy moly.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Man this team better get a top center in this draft. Just brutal to watch.

 

[Rebels57]

If the Flyers get Hagens, holy moly.

Konecny-Hagens-Michkov would be a ridiculous line

 

[dendazen]

How good Hagens will be? Similar to Celebrini?

 

[Trenbohabs]

How good Hagens will be? Similar to Celebrini?

He will be good in the regular season and be shutdown in playoffs due to his small size. McQueen is the guy

 

[ViD]

Theoretically, there could’ve been Artamonov - Michkov - Demidov line this WJC

 

[Hanji]

Theoretically, there could’ve been Artamonov - Michkov - Demidov line this WJC

Michkov is too old for the upcoming WJC.

More like Artamonov - Demidov - But

 

[Just Linda]

Ive watched him all 9 games and this game along with the opener were his 2 worst. That being said, he is getting a little overhyped right now but its just the euphoria and quite understandable.

I still see him getting 50-60 pts this year and then start to take off next year with more experience, strength, endurance, and hopefully speed.

His ES play while good, is still limited by his lack of explosiveness so he won't pop out of the screen right now drawing oohs and aahhs. He's doing good work once the offense settles in the zone. Transition offense is lacking due to his skating but more importantly the lack of good passing from the back end.

But the skill level is very much there, he has Hart trophy level skill, but he won't put all that together this year. He has definite 100++ potential in the future if he refines his overall game most importantly his skating.

I'll go as far as saying that his 5 on 5 play is a mix right now. Him only having 1 5 on 5 point has more to do with bad luck, his decision making looks like he's a NHL rookie out there.

With time and space, he's doing great things. Without it, he's got some growing pains.

I think his biggest weakness right now is his decision making under pressure, which is a good thing since it's going to naturally resolve itself.

I think his lack of explosiveness though will keep him from hitting the Kucherov level, he's going to be a stud though.

Overall, I agree. The euphoria is high on him, Philly fans are right to be excited but it's okay for them to realize he's not going to have a perfect first season, it's okay to be super excited because he's showing the player he's going to be, and eventually his 5 on 5 numbers will increase (he's not going to finish the season at the low pace he's on now).

 

[Sasso09]

Ive watched him all 9 games and this game along with the opener were his 2 worst. That being said, he is getting a little overhyped right now but its just the euphoria and quite understandable.

I still see him getting 50-60 pts this year and then start to take off next year with more experience, strength, endurance, and hopefully speed.

His ES play while good, is still limited by his lack of explosiveness so he won't pop out of the screen right now drawing oohs and aahhs. He's doing good work once the offense settles in the zone. Transition offense is lacking due to his skating but more importantly the lack of good passing from the back end.

But the skill level is very much there, he has Hart trophy level skill, but he won't put all that together this year. He has definite 100++ potential in the future if he refines his overall game most importantly his skating.

Agree with his worst two games, but he's scoring at least 70 this year, he's not being overhyped at all. His expected stats suggest he should be scoring significantly more and he's getting bad puck luck. He's only going to get better and the luck is going to even out as well. I think 50-60 is very low bar

 

[Sasso09]

I'll go as far as saying that his 5 on 5 play is a mix right now. Him only having 1 5 on 5 point has more to do with bad luck, his decision making looks like he's a NHL rookie out there.

With time and space, he's doing great things. Without it, he's got some growing pains.

I think his biggest weakness right now is his decision making under pressure, which is a good thing since it's going to naturally resolve itself.

I think his lack of explosiveness though will keep him from hitting the Kucherov level, he's going to be a stud though.

Overall, I agree. The euphoria is high on him, Philly fans are right to be excited but it's okay for them to realize he's not going to have a perfect first season, it's okay to be super excited because he's showing the player he's going to be, and eventually his 5 on 5 numbers will increase (he's not going to finish the season at the low pace he's on now).

Kucherov was never explosive, nor was Crosby, or Draisaitl

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Kucherov was never explosive, nor was Crosby, or Draisaitl

Huh?

 

[Sasso09]

I absolutely agree. Demidov D+1 is blowing out Michkov’s D+1 so far and that says a lot since Michkov D+1 was almost historical. Two future stars.

Anyway, back to Michkov. I’m impressed with how he’s been handling himself since the start of the year. He’s as advertised. Excellent motor and great IQ/Vision with a lot to improve defensively. He will be a dream for fans and gray-hair inhibitor for coaches.

I do look forward to follow him through his long and fruitful career

On what planet?

Michkov carried a horrible team with no help and zero NHL drafted talent and outscored Demidov who is playing with 7 former first round NHL players and is being carried by a team with 7 players with higher PPG than him..

Michkov 0.87 PPG, second highest on SOCHI was 0.71 PPG
Demidov 0.81 PPG, Teammates with 1.46PPG, 1.08PPG, 1.05PPG, Demidov 7th

Michkov was responsible for 41% of his teams offense (41 points of 100 goals)
Demidov was responsible for 19% of his teams offense (17 points of 90 goals)

Demidov D+1 is not even close to Michkov D+1

SKA scored 90 goals in just 21 games
Sochi scored 100 goals in the 47 games Michkov played, with zero help.

41% to 19%

Leading team with 0.87PPG
7th on team with 0.81PPG

What mental gymnastics are you playing to suggest Demidov has been better in D+1? the only reason he's even playing for SKA is because he can't be loaned and they're only loading up his minutes vs the bottom feeder teams.

Huh?

So you counter by showing a video of Crosby not being explosive?

Crosby is not and was never considered an explosive player. He's all IQ and grit.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

So you counter by showing a video of Crosby not being explosive?

Crosby is not and was never considered an explosive player. He's all IQ and grit.

Yeah he was super slow there when he skated through the entire team.

Crosby was one of the most explosive skaters in the league when he first came onto the scene. Watch the highlights of his 2nd season I posted above.

 

[Sasso09]

Also, isn't it just funny, how the same people that are making the argument that "Demidov is playing against worse opposition" were making claims about "historical season from Michkov" when the guy literally scored like 40% of his points in end season games against the worst team in the league, who were playing a chinese goalie))

my guy.... You're describing Demidov.... he has 8 points in 2 games vs the two worst teams in the league....

That's 47% of his points.....

THINK, use your head bud.

 

[Sasso09]

Was kinda anticlimactic, not going to lie I'm a little disappointed considering the hype. Thanks to the flyers for passing on Caufield though. I know he's not Michkov, but that was a swing and miss as well. (happens in every draft) Should of atleast had a hattrick tonight.

Going by this thread this surely must have been Matvei's worst game of the season no? I was honestly expecting more.

It's unfortunate, the kid's a player, I was looking forward to see him do his thing. I'm sure I'll get the full experience next time.

you're calling York a swing and a miss?

Give me the top pair LHD over the 5'6" 170 lb one dimensional winger every single day.

Flyers get much worse as a team if they trade York for Caufield.

Likewise, Habs get worse if they trade Caulfield for York. Both teams are happy with their pick. York took longer to reach potential, but i promise you no Flyers fan is ever thinking about Caulfield anymore.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Thanks to the flyers for passing on Caufield though. I know he's not Michkov, but that was a swing and miss as well. (happens in every draft)

As a Devils fan, I wouldn't call Cam York a "swing and a miss". Caufield is a great scoring talent but York is the more impactful overall player. He's become really underrated (probably because the Flyers took their time and developed him properly).

Taking York over Caufield is really nothing like taking Reinbacher over Michkov.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Kucherov was never explosive, nor was Crosby, or Draisaitl

^ was my first thought to this comment just didn’t post it

As a Devils fan, I wouldn't call Cam York a "swing and a miss". Caufield is a great scoring talent but York is the more impactful overall player. He's become really underrated (probably because the Flyers took their time and developed him properly).

Taking York over Caufield is really nothing like taking Reinbacher over Michkov.

This is true, but Caufield is in the upper top tier goal scorers that’s hard to find

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

^ was my first thought to this comment just didn’t post it



This is true, but Caufield is in the upper top tier goal scorers that’s hard to find

Caufield is an elite mid range goal scoring winger, it was a great pick by Montreal. But York is a 23 year old top pairing 2 way defenseman, I severely doubt the Flyers regret that pick.

 

[SaSaShi]

Kucherov was never explosive, nor was Crosby, or Draisaitl

Kucherov broke Larkin's speed record at the all star game. Yes his bread and butter is his IQ, but he has the burst to use when needed to exploit his iq. This is what is still missing from Michkov. Michkov doesn't need to be a great skater in terms of speed. Just be slightly above average would be enough. Right now his max speed is just average.

Crosby is strong skater and definitely had burst, again used his grit and IQ to be the best, but had the speed to use when needed.

Draisatl yes I agree, but he is a big player, so not as needed.

 

[IronMarshal]

Caufield is an elite mid range goal scoring winger, it was a great pick by Montreal. But York is a 23 year old top pairing 2 way defenseman, I severely doubt the Flyers regret that pick.

The Flyers don't regret taking York over Caulfield. The trade back and taking York also netted them Bobby Brink who may amount to nothing but is still a promising young player. That trade did cost them Boldy though. I would have taken Boldy, but it would leave a massive hole in the defense. York is a very good second pair defenseman on a good team, he is a first pair guy on the Flyers.

Some Flyers fans do prefer Caulfield over York (not me, and I love Caulfield as a player), but I doubt anyone in management does. Good defensemen are hard to find.

York and Michkov are definitely better than Caufield and Reinbacher now though. We'll see in the future as they all develop if that changes.

 

[Artaud]

On what planet?

Michkov carried a horrible team with no help and zero NHL drafted talent and outscored Demidov who is playing with 7 former first round NHL players and is being carried by a team with 7 players with higher PPG than him..

Michkov 0.87 PPG, second highest on SOCHI was 0.71 PPG
Demidov 0.81 PPG, Teammates with 1.46PPG, 1.08PPG, 1.05PPG, Demidov 7th

Michkov was responsible for 41% of his teams offense (41 points of 100 goals)
Demidov was responsible for 19% of his teams offense (17 points of 90 goals)

Demidov D+1 is not even close to Michkov D+1

SKA scored 90 goals in just 21 games
Sochi scored 100 goals in the 47 games Michkov played, with zero help.

41% to 19%

Leading team with 0.87PPG
7th on team with 0.81PPG

What mental gymnastics are you playing to suggest Demidov has been better in D+1? the only reason he's even playing for SKA is because he can't be loaned and they're only loading up his minutes vs the bottom feeder teams.

You are leaving out the story of Demidov's season so far: the spiteful usage by his coach. It seems obvious to most observers of SKA that Demidov should be playing a lot more. Even his teammates are saying so. It was reported that Rotenberg is benching him in order to pressure him into signing a new contract, which he refuses to do.

Compare PP time and Points per 60 minutes and the stats will tell a different story.

In any case, stat watching is useless for this comp. Michkov central to the offensive gameplan of a bad team, while Demidov is used in a marginal way on a good team. Both are impressive in their own way.

 

[Sasso09]

Flyers need to pray one of Hagens/Misa/McQueen/ect fall in their lap come the draft. There is a chance they could walk away from this draft loaded up, possibly the best they ever have. See if they move more assets come TDL/Draft to push those chips in.

With the way they're playing, i think they're guaranteed a top 7 pick... One of Hagens, Misa, McQueen, Frondell, Ryabkin, Schaefer will be there. Obviously you target 1C first, but if you're "stuck" with the best D prospect since Dahlin, you are happy.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

With the way they're playing, i think they're guaranteed a top 7 pick... One of Hagens, Misa, McQueen, Frondell, Ryabkin, Schaefer will be there. Obviously you target 1C first, but if you're "stuck" with the best D prospect since Dahlin, you are happy.

You just wait until the 68 game mark when Flyers are bottom 3 and then go on a meaningless 14 game winning streak...lol