RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[majormajor]

My idea is not that he smoked weaker competition, but that he couldn't get a job for a good team and was loaned to it's farm. This is just a fact. He is a prodigy, of course he has done a lot of great things in his career. He also failed to make a serious KHL team in his draft year and instead, played for a farm, where there is way less competition for a job, way less pressure, way less structure etc.
Look at guys like Nikita Gusev or Linus Omark. They are obviously more talented and skilled than many NHLers. Who is more talented and skilled, Gusev or let's say Barabanov? Gusev obviously. Omark or Hornqvist? Omark. If you for example would put Gusev and Barabanov in lets say swiss league, Gusev would outscore Barabanov, and Omark would outscore Hornqvist. But, in NHL Hornqvist is a very good player, Omark got kicked out after 1 season, Barabanov is a servicable player, Gusev couldn't make it.

Michkov is a prodigy, and it was expected from him, to be an impact player in KHL in his draft year. He wasn't. This is not a sentence, doesn't mean he is a bust. But it is a fact.

I would put very little weight on what SKA decides to do with their ice time. They have too many players and sit great young players. They wouldn't play Marchenko for much of last year and he comes to the NHL and scores right away. Lots of future NHL stars were scratched or played 5 minutes a night as young players (remember, this is why those points per game comparisons are useless).

The only way to judge Michkov is by what he does on the ice and it is really not right to judge his KHL performance as a failure.

Find something you are as passionate about as this Garl guy is when it comes to trying to tear down a teenage boy.

There is always room for healthy debate on prospects, but this guy seems like he.... really wants Michkov to fail? I don't even understand it, it's not like you know he is going to play for a rival NHL club or something, at this point, it's a mystery.

This is too close minded. If you are having a discussion here with someone and you think they overrate a prospect, you have to argue the other way. We had this last year where people who pumped the breaks on Wright at #1 supposedly hated him or wanted him to fail.

 

[Garl]

I would put very little weight on what SKA decides to do with their ice time. They have too many players and sit great young players. They wouldn't play Marchenko for much of last year and he comes to the NHL and scores right away. Lots of future NHL stars were scratched or played 5 minutes a night as young players (remember, this is why those points per game comparisons are useless).

The only way to judge Michkov is by what he does on the ice and it is really not right to judge his KHL performance as a failure.



This is too close minded. If you are having a discussion here with someone and you think they overrate a prospect, you have to argue the other way. We had this last year where people who pumped the breaks on Wright at #1 supposedly hated him or wanted him to fail.

With Marchenko is was some kind of personal thing. It wasn't due to logjam or smth. Maybe he didn't want to sign a new contract or smth.
His scoring is unsustainable btw, but thats another topic. He may have an NHL career, he has the tools.

PPG comparsions without contex are misleading for sure. Thing with Michkov season is not that it is a failure, but rather that it is a)below expectations for him as a successor of Ovechkin, b)Not a historical performance as some overly enthusiastic people and russian homers claim.

 

[NatusVincere]

All this talk because some user don't want to accept the simple fact that Michkov's season was super exceptional. You could put it very simply, Michkov has as many points as the last 3 Russian 1st rounders #19 Svechkov (4), #24 Yurov (12) and #20 Miroshnichenko (4) combined. Even without the points against Kunlun, he scored as much as a year older Yurov (Russia's best prospect with Demidov and Buchelnikov). With less talented teammates and against stronger opponents (Michkov played first line) in less games...

Neva is out of the playoffs, which means Michkov vs Buchelnikov and Demidov. Wow!

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Best prospect since McDavid. I repeat, whoever steals him "later" in the first round will be incredibly lucky. Franchise-level talent.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

This is a player Anaheim desperately needs.. don’t really see us being competitive for an extended period of time.

Those that know, does he want to come over right away? Or honor his contract and then make the jump? There’s a lot of insinuating going around that he would rather stay overseas than come over (which I don’t believe)

 

[IceManCat]

The talent is obviously there but I wonder more with him than with other players "how" he'll adjust to North American hockey. I have some major question marks with him about how he fits into systems, how he uses his linemates and how he can read the game at the NHL level. I see him holding onto the puck quite often and selecting IQ plays that are more in line with personal achievement. He reminds me of a Kobe Bryant / Ja Morant type player a one man show with immense talent. Difference is in hockey one player doesn't dictate the game in the same way that it would happen in basketball.

How would MM play in say a Barry Trotz system? Or a Paul Maurice dump and chase system? Or even a Tortorella system that is defensive heavy? I think this is where any potential red flags come about. I just don't know that he can be "system" hockey player. How will he react when a coach forces him to give up his puck possession in favor of back checking and defense?

Again, every single player faces these same questions. Due to his playing style, cultural influences and incredible offensive ability I'd say these questions carry a higher amount of relevance and impact.

 

[Fatass]

Best prospect since McDavid. I repeat, whoever steals him "later" in the first round will be incredibly lucky. Franchise-level talent.

MM is going to be drafted early, not “later”, in round one. I can’t see him getting past 5.

 

[ViD]

This is a player Anaheim desperately needs.. don’t really see us being competitive for an extended period of time.

Those that know, does he want to come over right away? Or honor his contract and then make the jump? There’s a lot of insinuating going around that he would rather stay overseas than come over (which I don’t believe)

I don’t believe I heard him saying he could come over before the contract ends, but to be fair, I don’t believe I’ve seen him asked that question either

 

[majormajor]

I don’t believe I heard him saying he could come over before the contract ends, but to be fair, I don’t believe I’ve seen him asked that question either

How would it be possible?

Is there a buyout provision in his contract that a team could pay?

I'm remembering the rumors that Carolina tried to buyout Nikishin's deal to bring him to the NHL, was that rejected by the player?

We're not entirely sure, are we, that Michkov won't sign another deal in Russia? It seems unlikely but more than a 1% risk. Wasn't Kaprizov already recognized as a future star when he signed his second deal, that kept him through age 23?

 

[ViD]

Is there a buyout provision in his contract that a team could pay?

If I’m not mistaken, a player can buy out his contract, but I don’t know the exact details

 

[Zine]

How would it be possible?

Is there a buyout provision in his contract that a team could pay?

I'm remembering the rumors that Carolina tried to buyout Nikishin's deal to bring him to the NHL, was that rejected by the player?

We're not entirely sure, are we, that Michkov won't sign another deal in Russia? It seems unlikely but more than a 1% risk. Wasn't Kaprizov already recognized as a future star when he signed his second deal, that kept him through age 23?

Yes players can unilaterally terminate contracts.
According to KHL rules Michkov can do this by paying SKA 2/3 of his remaining salary amount he has yet to earn. But salary is defined as total compensation, so it might include future bonuses, incentive payments, etc. How that's figured out I have no idea.

 

[Three On Zero]

Best prospect since McDavid. I repeat, whoever steals him "later" in the first round will be incredibly lucky. Franchise-level talent.

He will undoubtedly still go top 5

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

If I’m not mistaken, a player can buy out his contract, but I don’t know the exact details

yes the player can buy out the contract but not the NHL team that drafts him

Michkov will only be in NA after hes SKA contract ends which is still good he will be alot better by then and will be on ELC

 

[Gold Standard]

yes the player can buy out the contract but not the NHL team that drafts him

Michkov will only be in NA after hes SKA contract ends which is still good he will be alot better by then and will be on ELC

He'll probably extend for 1 more year in the KHL after that. then come over when that season ends to play 1 game. it won't be a typical 3 year ECL contract. whatever team drafts and signs him will have to extend and pay up rather quickly. I'm sure he'll demand Bedard type of dollars after 1 NHL game. Buyer beware.

 

[ViD]

When is he playing his next game ?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He'll probably extend for 1 more year in the KHL after that. then come over when that season ends to play 1 game. it won't be a typical 3 year ECL contract. whatever team drafts and signs him will have to extend and pay up rather quickly. I'm sure he'll demand Bedard type of dollars after 1 NHL game. Buyer beware.

 

[NTDP]

When is he playing his next game ?

Looks like Kapitan Stupino plays SKA 1946 tomorrow. All this league's games are free on Youtube - copied the link below for when it goes live.

 

[Caser]

 

[Adele Dazeem]

yes the player can buy out the contract but not the NHL team that drafts him

Michkov will only be in NA after hes SKA contract ends which is still good he will be alot better by then and will be on ELC

I'd wager he's in the NHL if not post-draft, then surely D+1 year.
Even if technically a team can't "buy" him out; there are ways of making things works. Money talks.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

I'd wager he's in the NHL if not post-draft, then surely D+1 year.
Even if technically a team can't "buy" him out; there are ways of making things works. Money talks.

do you know whos the owner of SKA ? theres nothing an NHL owner can give him that hes current owner cannot and ill easily wager you anything that Michkov aint breaking that contract

 

[Mr Buckles]

First overall

 

[Fantomas]

He can do it all.

 

[Zine]

I'd wager he's in the NHL if not post-draft, then surely D+1 year.
Even if technically a team can't "buy" him out; there are ways of making things works. Money talks.

do you know whos the owner of SKA ? theres nothing an NHL owner can give him that hes current owner cannot and ill easily wager you anything that Michkov aint breaking that contract

Under no circumstance would Bettman allow an NHL team/owner to do anything under-the-table, or off the books regarding contracts.
Doing as such would create an unfair competitive advantage.

 

[NatusVincere]

No chance at all against SKA... this might be the last games of the season for Michkov.

Btw, his Lacrosse is the goal of the month in the KHL. And he was named the player of the pre playoffs.

 

[Kshahdoo]

If we put aside skills, I'd say the main difference between Michkov and Fantilli is competitiveness. Michkov is crazy competitive that's why he's always great anywhere he plays at. Fantilli needs a certain level of mental comfort to be successful. If he doesn't have one like it was at the WJC he won't look that great. He's kinda similar to Eichel who's a very good player but not what people used to expect from him...