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RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Because they are worse hockey players. No offense, but big and strong loses out to skill in this league. The best players in the league are the best because of their offensive ability, and it looks likely Michkov will join them as one of the best in the league eventually.
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It's close but I don't know man.. Carlsson looks really special
 
Unger9 said:
It's close but I don't know man.. Carlsson looks really special
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I think he's justifying the selection over Fantilli, but I don't think it's close.

JRichard said:
Not sure if you mean the assist wasnt deserved (KHL gives him) but clearly he gets an assist on that play. Other team never touched the puck after his pass to the goal scorer. Plus nice job of jamming the dman in front.

I dont get to see him play but is he mostly a perimeter shooter or does he gets close to the blue paint?
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Watch his goals. Almost never perimeter shots. He's the best blue paint scorer in the world already.
 
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Unger9 said:
Carlsson is similarly blessed with IQ. Michkov is probably a better playmaker and Carlsson might have better finishing ability
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I would go Carlsson over Fantilli so far, but I don't think Carlsson's rookie season is as impressive so far as it's been made out to be.

He's shooting 26.1%. If you halve that for a normal shooting percentage, he'd have 3+2=5 points in 11 games. That's not bad for a D+1 rookie, but it's not like great for a 2OA D+1 rookie. Probably about what you'd expect.

He's also playing 18:18 per game. That's over two and a half minutes more per game than Fantilli is playing. Carlsson might be sitting occasionally, but when he does play, he's playing first line minutes. Also, sitting periodically probably keeps him fresher per game than most other players. If you look at the underlying's, it really wouldn't be an impressive stat-line. Factor in the age, and you can ignore the underlying's, but if he was a 24 year old in his 4th season it would be an average start to the season, at best.

He's at 23.8% on face-offs. That's beyond bad. Normally if a rookie is somewhere around 40-45% you wouldn't be thinking too much, but 23.8% is almost so bad that you can't be having him taking face-offs regularly.

Carlsson isn't doing bad, but I don't think he's having this great rookie season people are saying.
 
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tnfrs said:
why is that funny?
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He's the absolute worst current coach in the league for flashy young stars. He has a better chance at ruining him then "rounding out his game."

Pavel Buchnevich said:
Torts isn't going to be the Flyers coach by the time Michkov gets to the NHL. He doesn't last at his stops that long.
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Exactly this. This is already his 2nd year in Philly and Michkov is still 3 years away. No way he is the coach to start the 26-27 season. Unfortunately the Flyers are so far up his ass, he might be President by then. But at least he won't be able to hands on coach Michkov.
 
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Rebels57 said:
He's the absolute worst current coach in the league for flashy young stars. He has a better chance at ruining him then "rounding out his game."



Exactly this. This is already his 2nd year in Philly and Michkov is still 3 years away. No way he is the coach to start the 26-27 season. Unfortunately the Flyers are so far up his ass, he might be President by then. But at least he won't be able to hands on coach Michkov.
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lol do you have examples of the flashy guys hes ruined?
 
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tnfrs said:
lol do you have examples of the flashy guys hes ruined?
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Have you not been paying attention to his entire coaching career? He's been clashing with his star players the entire time, at every single stop. How about the two seasons where he cratered the Sedin twins production while they were still in their prime by reducing them to shot-blocking grinders. He's a joke.
 
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Rebels57 said:
Have you not been paying attention to his entire coaching career? He's been clashing with his star players the entire time, at every single stop. How about the two seasons where he cratered the Sedin twins production while they were still in their prime by reducing them to shot-blocking grinders. He's a joke.
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is it ruining or clashing?
 
Not so actual info. Torts loved his shiny young boys, one guy from Russia was his favorite, he is playing in rangers now and achived a lot of money because how he played and used under Torts. And its not like he doesnt give a chance to play for his young flyers now.
He is a good coach for Michkov, but the truth is there is a little chance he will survive through 3 years, because not a lot of coaches coach for 5 years or more now.
 
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coooldude said:
The world, you say???
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I think so. He’s nearly PPG in the KHL. I think he’d be contending for the Calder in the NHL. He hasn’t played in the NHL yet, but there’s going to come a time where he has to start being compared to the players in the NHL, despite playing in the KHL. I think it’s already fair to start it with his draft peers now being in the NHL.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
I think so. He’s nearly PPG in the KHL. I think he’d be contending for the Calder in the NHL. He hasn’t played in the NHL yet, but there’s going to come a time where he has to start being compared to the players in the NHL, despite playing in the KHL. I think it’s already fair to start it with his draft peers now being in the NHL.
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He's an incredible prospect, but it's a lot to say he's the best in the world because he's at a PPG in the world's 2nd or 3rd (some would argue 3rd or 4th) best pro league. Some might argue Bedard has the best release in the world, but there are 4 or 5 (or more!) counterexamples with a much longer, more distinguished history and even a better current scoring rate in the absolute best league in the world.

He very well might be in the running for the Calder, he's clearly crushing it, but to say 24 points in the KHL is enough of a sample size to claim he's the best in the world at anything is a stretch imho.
 
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coooldude said:
He's an incredible prospect, but it's a lot to say he's the best in the world because he's at a PPG in the world's 2nd or 3rd (some would argue 3rd or 4th) best pro league. Some might argue Bedard has the best release in the world, but there are 4 or 5 (or more!) counterexamples with a much longer, more distinguished history and even a better current scoring rate in the absolute best league in the world.

He very well might be in the running for the Calder, he's clearly crushing it, but to say 24 points in the KHL is enough of a sample size to claim he's the best in the world at anything is a stretch imho.
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Who do you think is better? I think the best in the NHL is Chris Kreider. Michkov doesn’t tip pucks as good, but has better instincts for finding the puck.
 
Garl said:
Just a reminder that Samsonov was like 17 when he left

And Malkin played for a much better team
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Yeah, and Russian championship was terrible in the middle of 90s because there was no money in the country and players prefered to play anywhere but Russia. As to Malkin, it's for 20 year old Geno, while Michkov is still 18.
 
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Kshahdoo said:
Yeah, and Russian championship was terrible in the middle of 90s because there was no money in the country and players prefered to play anywhere but Russia. As to Malkin, it's for 20 year old Geno, while Michkov is still 18.
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Malkin is born in July, if you want to be so technical, he was 19 when 2005/06 season finished.
Overall, they are same age group correspondingly, next year Michkov turns 20, Malkin turned 20 in year his final pre NHL season happened. Michkov is late birthday but age group is the same
 
Garl said:
Malkin is born in July, if you want to be so technical, he was 19 when 2005/06 season finished.
Overall, they are same age group correspondingly, next year Michkov turns 20, Malkin turned 20 in year his final pre NHL season happened. Michkov is late birthday but age group is the same
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Still Michkov will be 5 months younger and still have better stats, especially given he still has about 30 games to play.
 
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