RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

[montreal]

Why does it matter that he's Russian? By being Russian, is Michkov somehow in a special bubble from which he can't get out?

Do we place the same constraints on golden boy Bedard? Or does he come with some special Tim Hortons glazed magic?

what does Bedard have to do with this? I never said a word about him.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

I wonder if Kucherov is being punished in this thread for leaving Russia at a young age and developing mostly in Quebec and Syracuse

 

[Frank Drebin]

I wonder if Kucherov is being punished in this thread for leaving Russia at a young age and developing mostly in Quebec and Syracuse

nah its just wild unchecked optimism

 

[Fantomas]

what does Bedard have to do with this? I never said a word about him.

It's relevant. You perceive Michkov through a biased, Western-centric lens. It never occurs to you that Michkov has the ability and the potential to transcend this lens.

Hence I ask if you apply the same set of constructs for Bedard. And of course you don't, why would anyone arbitrarily compare Bedard to Kaprizov and Bure.

I wonder if Kucherov is being punished in this thread for leaving Russia at a young age and developing mostly in Quebec and Syracuse

I will whisper in Putin's year and get Kuch banned from the national team.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It's relevant. You perceive Michkov through a biased, Western-centric lens. It never occurs to you that Michkov has the ability and the potential to transcend this lens.

Hence I ask if you apply the same set of constructs for Bedard. And of course you don't, why would anyone arbitrarily compare Bedard to Kaprizov and Bure.



I will whisper in Putin's year and get Kuch banned from the national team.

It's common for people to compare players of the same nationality since they come up in the same leagues and end up playing against men as youths in their respective countries especially with hockey countries like Finland Sweden and Russia. It has nothing to do with western centric bias lol he's comparing them to his country peers I don't see how you can't understand that. Finnish prospects/players are always compared to other finnish prospects/players and it's the same with Swedish ones

 

[Snotbubbles]

Also, LOL at Khusnutdinov for Rendulic trade. Only possible in KHL
For Michkov it might be a problem, since Sochi first line is now demolished, so Michkov is Sochi's best player now and he will have to play against better competition

I don't follow KHL. What sense does this trade make for Sochi or is it just to prop up SKA?

 

[NJ DevLolz]

It's relevant. You perceive Michkov through a biased, Western-centric lens. It never occurs to you that Michkov has the ability and the potential to transcend this lens.

Hence I ask if you apply the same set of constructs for Bedard. And of course you don't, why would anyone arbitrarily compare Bedard to Kaprizov and Bure.



I will whisper in Putin's year and get Kuch banned from the national team.

Yawn

 

[Fantomas]

It's common for people to compare players of the same nationality since they come up in the same leagues and end up playing against men as youths in their respective countries especially with hockey countries like Finland Sweden and Russia. It has nothing to do with western centric bias lol he's comparing them to his country peers I don't see how you can't understand that. Finnish prospects are always compared to other finnish prospects and it's the same with Swedish ones

Russian players have been in the NHL for just a tad more than three decades. Not very long. Might be hard for some to believe, but we will be seeing very special Russians in the future. At Ovy's/Malkin's level and probably even higher. Michkov has that potential, and I can see that some people don't fully appreciate what he's done so far in his career and how special he is. I haven't seen a post-Soviet Russian prospect think the game at this level, truly ever. That's why I'm excited about his potential. I look at some of the comments here and I see a lot of closed minds and an inability to see what's truly in front of them.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Russian players have been in the NHL for just a tad more than three decades. Might be hard for some to believe, but we will be seeing very special Russians in the future. At Ovy's/Malkin's level and probably even higher. Michkov has that potential, and I can see that some people don't fully appreciate what he's done so far in his career and how special he is. I haven't seen a post-Soviet Russian prospect think the game at this level, truly ever. That's why I'm excited about his potential. I look at some of the comments here and I see a lot of closed minds and an inability to see what's truly in front of them.

I and many others in the thread also think he's a very special prospect better than Kuch and Kaprisov were but saying if he becomes Kucherov that's a disappointment is where you lose everybody

 

[Fantomas]

I and many others in the thread also think he's a very special prospect better than Kuch and Kaprisov were but saying if he becomes Kucherov that's a disappointment is where you lose everybody

I said I'll be a little disappointed, yes. I can see that quite a few people are agreeing with me in this thread, so please spare me the "everybody" crap.

 

[bert]

"Development isn't linear" is a banality. It's understood, and yet you present it as some kind of trenchant insight.

I'll put it to you this way: if I said the same things here about Bedard you probably would not be interjecting. Nothing would be said about development not being linear.

I think folks here are having a hard time giving Michkov his due as a prospect. Perhaps it's due to his nationality.

If Bedard is as good as Kucherov that is a pretty resounding success and incredible career. Your last sentence is complete bullshit were comparing him to another Russian right now. The only outlier is you.

I said I'll be a little disappointed, yes. I can see that quite a few people are agreeing with me in this thread, so please spare me the "everybody" crap.

You think multiple people will be dissapointed in Michkov if he isnt better than Kucherov? Lol ok.

 

[montreal]

It's relevant. You perceive Michkov through a biased, Western-centric lens. It never occurs to you that Michkov has the ability and the potential to transcend this lens.

Hence I ask if you apply the same set of constructs for Bedard. And of course you don't, why would anyone arbitrarily compare Bedard to Kaprizov and Bure.

what the f*** are talking about?

 

[Fantomas]

If Bedard is as good as Kucherov that is a pretty resounding success and incredible career. Your last sentence is complete bullshit were comparing him to another Russian right now. The only outlier is you.

If I'm an outlier, I embrace it.

 

[tnfrs]

If I'm an outlier, I embrace it.

i think ur cool man

 

[tnfrs]

I said I'll be a little disappointed, yes. I can see that quite a few people are agreeing with me in this thread, so please spare me the "everybody" crap.

ill be dissapointed if Michkov isnt a top line player, i dont know if he'll be as good as kuch because kuch also had hedman point and stamkos to play with for his whole NHL career, it will depend on the team around michkov when he gets to philly and whether or not the coach can really use his strengths and also a lot will depend on how seriously michkov starts taking his strength training. if he becomes a gym rat like he's a rink rat, and if the flyers are starting to roll some wins, he could come in and blow the doors off

 

[Garl]

It's relevant. You perceive Michkov through a biased, Western-centric lens. It never occurs to you that Michkov has the ability and the potential to transcend this lens.

Hence I ask if you apply the same set of constructs for Bedard. And of course you don't, why would anyone arbitrarily compare Bedard to Kaprizov and Bure.



I will whisper in Putin's year and get Kuch banned from the national team.

Finns are compared to Finns, Swedes to swedes. But that's different, western lens

what the f*** are talking about?

You are a western oppressor, get back to your cave

 

[Garl]

What argument, I don't have any arguments and I don't need them, because you don't have any...

You brought Kaprizov and Panarin as examples of why NHL draft "sucks". Those are bad examples, they are late bloomers, you can say that they were underrated at the draft, but both were not TOP 10 level prospects, so comparing them and Michkov makes no sense

 

[Fantomas]

ill be dissapointed if Michkov isnt a top line player, i dont know if he'll be as good as kuch because kuch also had hedman point and stamkos to play with for his whole NHL career, it will depend on the team around michkov when he gets to philly and whether or not the coach can really use his strengths and also a lot will depend on how seriously michkov starts taking his strength training. if he becomes a gym rat like he's a rink rat, and if the flyers are starting to roll some wins, he could come in and blow the doors off

Flyers seem committed to the tank

 

[Kshahdoo]

You brought Kaprizov and Panarin as examples of why NHL draft "sucks". Those are bad examples, they are late bloomers, you can say that they were underrated at the draft, but both were not TOP 10 level prospects, so comparing them and Michkov makes no sense

You probably don't understand what the phrase "late bloomer" means. Both played in the KHL before they got 18. And played better than a lot of Russian 1st rounders. That's why I said you never checked facts before saying something, because you're always wrong.

 

[MrGuyPerson]

But dropped to 7th in the NHL draft. Couldn't get icetime on a solid KHL team and was loaned away for nothing. Hard to imagine.

I like the talent but if he is Kucherov or there was any inkling that he would be remotely close to as good he simply doesn't drop that far.

I understand your point of view. I also understand the people's point of views of the people you are responding to. I believe you are saying you can not assume he will be as good as the current best Russian player in the NHL. Similarly you can not assume Bedard will be as good as McDavid.

However, if you are suggesting Michkov's ability as a player had anything to do with him not being the consensus 1a 1b with Bedard, I strongly disagree. His ability as a player had nothing to do with his fall in the draft. Suggesting it did... well, I don't want to comment as I think it would come off rude. You are right it is not guaranteed he will be better than Kucherov. Just as nothing is guaranteed until it is proven. That said, taking a hard stance against Michkov is a bold move. It probably won't age well. He is a child prodigy. He is the best Russian prospect since Ovechkin. He has produced at a record clip at every level he has played at. Thats not debatable.

Also, I bolded this because "The solid KHL team"? You mean the team he literally just beat? Yes, I said "he" beat. He carried Sochi to win that game. And if you think, "he should have earned a spot of ska if he is so good" you clearly haven't followed how that coach handles young talent. He was probably going to loan out demidov this season too before he got injured. Demidov, showed in the preseason he was more than good enough to have regular playing time in the KHL

 

[bert]

I understand your point of view. I also understand the people's point of views of the people you are responding to. I believe you are saying you can not assume he will be as good as the current best Russian player in the NHL. Similarly you can not assume Bedard will be as good as McDavid.

However, if you are suggesting Michkov's ability as a player had anything to do with him not being the consensus 1a 1b with Bedard, I strongly disagree. His ability as a player had nothing to do with his fall in the draft. Suggesting it did... well, I don't want to comment as I think it would come off rude. You are right it is not guaranteed he will be better than Kucherov. Just as nothing is guaranteed until it is proven. That said, taking a hard stance against Michkov is a bold move. It probably won't age well. He is a child prodigy. He is the best Russian prospect since Ovechkin. He has produced at a record clip at every level he has played at. Thats not debatable.

Also, I bolded this because "The solid KHL team"? You mean the team he literally just beat? Yes, I said "he" beat. He carried Sochi to win that game. And if you think, "he should have earned a spot of ska if he is so good" you clearly haven't followed how that coach handles young talent. He was probably going to loan out demidov this season too before he got injured. Demidov, showed in the preseason he was more than good enough to have regular playing time in the KHL

Never suggested Bedard would be as good as McDavid. No idea where you got that. However if you want my opinion I don't think he will be, i actually dont think theres any chance he gets to that level. I'd also be surprised if he ends up as good and as decorated as Kucherov. Kucherov is somehow underrated around here.

Didn't take a hard stance against Michkov either. I simply said I don't expect him to be as good as Kucherov who is debatably the second best Russian to ever play in the NHL.

There are obviously reasons that 5 other teams passed on the player if he is indeed a 1b to Bedard and if it would be 'disappointing' if he wasn't better than Kucherov.

I will reiterate as I have already said in the rest of the thread I think he's a fantastic prospect and still am shocked that San Jose, Arizona and Montreal passed on him. But that's also not happening for no reason.

 

[NatusVincere]

I wonder if Kucherov is being punished in this thread for leaving Russia at a young age and developing mostly in Quebec and Syracuse

Kuch played a whole 50 games in the Q (33) and AHL (17)… “developing mostly in Quebec and Syracuse” …

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Exactly. Completely different level as a prospect. If he turns into Kucherov I'll be a little disappointed.

If you're a flyer fan (I don't know if you are) I guarantee you will not be dissapointed with that outcome. Signed a bolts fan

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

If you're a flyer fan (I don't know if you are) I guarantee you will not be dissapointed with that outcome. Signed a bolts fan

Yeah, honestly I agree, Kucherov is awesome, and he shows up when the lights are brightest. I guess what some people are saying is Michkov has 3 - 4 art ross / hart potential. Kucherov the player is that guy, he's just dealt with injuries and his absolute peak was shorter. Who knows in the end. I'd be absolutely shocked if Michkov never won an art ross though.

 

[NatusVincere]

I understand your point of view. I also understand the people's point of views of the people you are responding to. I believe you are saying you can not assume he will be as good as the current best Russian player in the NHL. Similarly you can not assume Bedard will be as good as McDavid.

However, if you are suggesting Michkov's ability as a player had anything to do with him not being the consensus 1a 1b with Bedard, I strongly disagree. His ability as a player had nothing to do with his fall in the draft. Suggesting it did... well, I don't want to comment as I think it would come off rude. You are right it is not guaranteed he will be better than Kucherov. Just as nothing is guaranteed until it is proven. That said, taking a hard stance against Michkov is a bold move. It probably won't age well. He is a child prodigy. He is the best Russian prospect since Ovechkin. He has produced at a record clip at every level he has played at. Thats not debatable.

Also, I bolded this because "The solid KHL team"? You mean the team he literally just beat? Yes, I said "he" beat. He carried Sochi to win that game. And if you think, "he should have earned a spot of ska if he is so good" you clearly haven't followed how that coach handles young talent. He was probably going to loan out demidov this season too before he got injured. Demidov, showed in the preseason he was more than good enough to have regular playing time in the KHL

It’s kind of a dumb point anyway. Kucherov himself was a 2nd rounder (in a weak draft)… so Michkov going 7th OA with his contract situation is more of a proof that GMs are not questioning his talent… much less than they did with Kuch. And everyone who saw the draft day coverage knows that Michkov was talked about as the second most talented player… in fact GMs learned from their mistakes with Panarin, Kuch or Kaprizov and drafting Russians out of Russia much higher now than back then.