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RW Matvei Michkov (2023, 7th, PHI) Part 4

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Elite Prospects - Players from Russia in the NHL Entry Draft

List of all players from Russia drafted in the NHL Entry Draft
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Here are the Russians drafted into NHL. It is a LOT. This whole notion that 3 guys went undrafted or drafted late is not proof of a Russian conspiracy. Proof would be that only 1 or 2 get drafted a year. Not 30.

Pastrnak was also a late first rounder and Kubalik and Palat were 6th round cannon fodder. Doesn't mean there is a Czech conspiracy either.
 
Czechboy said:
www.eliteprospects.com

Elite Prospects - Players from Russia in the NHL Entry Draft

List of all players from Russia drafted in the NHL Entry Draft
www.eliteprospects.com www.eliteprospects.com

Here are the Russians drafted into NHL. It is a LOT. This whole notion that 3 guys went undrafted or drafted late is not proof of a Russian conspiracy. Proof would be that only 1 or 2 get drafted a year. Not 30.

Pastrnak was also a late first rounder and Kubalik and Palat were 6th round cannon fodder. Doesn't mean there is a Czech conspiracy either.
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These 3 players are 3 best Russian players in the NHL right now, though. Ok, you may argue that Buchnevich is better than Panarin already, but Buch was picked in the 3rd despite being one of the biggest Russian talents in the last 15 or so years...
 
Kshahdoo said:
These 3 players are 3 best Russian players in the NHL right now, though. Ok, you may argue that Buchnevich is better than Panarin already, but Buch was picked in the 3rd despite being one of the biggest Russian talent in the last 15 or so years...
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I'd argue your elite goalies should be in that conversation too.

In either case, a LOT of Russians get drafted every year. I'm not seeng the shyness when drafting Russians. 12 first rounders in the last 4 drafts is pretty good too.

Vrana was taken before Pastrnak. Hajek before Hronek.
 
bert said:
Never suggested Bedard would be as good as McDavid. No idea where you got that. However if you want my opinion I don't think he will be, i actually dont think theres any chance he gets to that level. I'd also be surprised if he ends up as good and as decorated as Kucherov. Kucherov is somehow underrated around here.

Didn't take a hard stance against Michkov either. I simply said I don't expect him to be as good as Kucherov who is debatably the second best Russian to ever play in the NHL.

There are obviously reasons that 5 other teams passed on the player if he is indeed a 1b to Bedard and if it would be 'disappointing' if he wasn't better than Kucherov.

I will reiterate as I have already said in the rest of the thread I think he's a fantastic prospect and still am shocked that San Jose, Arizona and Montreal passed on him. But that's also not happening for no reason.
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I believe you are entitled to your own view. I just want to clarify that I was not implying that you were suggesting Bedard would be as good as McDavid. I was interpreting what you were saying as you can not expect or project a prospect to reach that caliber of player until they do. So despite that Bedard's resume as prospect is equivalent to that of Mcdavid's(statistically superior, though I am sure some people would debate it), people can not expect him to be as good as McDavid. Same case for Michkov with Kucherov(also ovechkin). I apologize if I misinterpreted, but that was how I absorbed it.

It would indeed be disappointing if he does not surpass Kucherov. That is not a knock on Kucherov. It is just that for a prospect to supposedly have potential to surpass the greatest Russian of all time, failing to surpass the arguably 2nd greatest is indeed a let down. Just as it would have been disappointing if McDavid didn't surpass Crosby's point totals in the NHL. More similarly would be Lindros's label of "the next one" and his ultimate ability to live up to is seen as disappointing. Lindros was obviously fantastic, but he was not Gretzky. It is difficult to say, but I hope you know what I mean. I just want to restate that it is perfectly reasonable to be believe he won't live up to the expectations just as it is perfectly reasonable to believe Bedard will not live up to the expectations as that is your opinion.

Oh there are definitely reasons he fell. I think a lot of them are valid as well. His contract in Russia definitely made him less compelling. Geopolitics is/was also a fair concern. "Character issues" is tough to speculate on without knowing him personally. Could he be a dick? Sure, tons of hockey players are though. It also feels equally plausible he Jagr'ed his way to a bro down with gritty and a couple Dalessandro's steaks wit wit.
 
Czechboy said:
I'd argue your elite goalies should be in that conversation too.

In either case, a LOT of Russians get drafted every year. I'm not seeng the shyness when drafting Russians. 12 first rounders in the last 4 drafts is pretty good too.

Vrana was taken before Pastrnak. Hajek before Hronek.
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So you agree that NHL drafts can't draft?
 
Kshahdoo said:
So you agree that NHL drafts can't draft?
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32 different scouting departments.. some better than others. Eg. My Oilers barely have anyone on the roster (non goalie) not taken in round 1.

But, I'm seeing a lot of clubs (including my Oil) drafting Russians consistently.
 
Czechboy said:
32 different scouting departments.. some better than others. Eg. My Oilers barely have anyone on the roster (non goalie) not taken in round 1.

But, I'm seeing a lot of clubs (including my Oil) drafting Russians consistently.
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I'm not about drafting or not drafting Russian players, top of them will get to NHL sooner or later anyway. I'm about NHL draft as a merit of players' skill and talent.
 
Kshahdoo said:
I'm not about drafting or not drafting Russian players, top of them will get to NHL sooner or later anyway. I'm about NHL draft as a merit of players' skill and talent.
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But the NHL doesn't draft the players. The clubs do. Like I say, some suck at it and some are great at it. That's not an NHL thing. That's a team scouting department issue. 32 of them. They all have the same info available. And each team probably has at least 5 scouts. Then you get your scouting people like Button or McKenzie. It's a lot of talking heads involved. Now add in late bloomers or kids that developed too early and flop at the NHL level.

It's complicated.

Glad we agree no one is avoiding drafting Russian players though! 12 first rounders since 2020 and more this season as round 1 looks to have some great Russian presence.
 
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Me too. Neftekhimik is in 2nd to last place, I was really hoping Michkov would feast today.
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Same, I love watching him play, he's just so unique and his hockey IQ, I don't even know who to compare him to, maybe Crosby is the closest thing I've seen. (IM NOT SAYING HES CROSBY) just his innate ability to read the play and stand where he already knows the pucks going and everyone else is confused. Also I feel like he's forcing himself to be a better playmaker even in spots where he can just shoot and score to be a better all around player. Dude wants to be great, and I love it.
 
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Me too. Neftekhimik is in 2nd to last place, I was really hoping Michkov would feast today.
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When I read that Matvei Michkov is ill I immediately thought the wheels are in motion to bring him back to SKA or maybe the Flyers found a way to buy out his contract and pay the KHL a Development fee of say 5-6 Million dollars! Michkov is quite the talent and would score 30-35 goals in the NHL right now...and who knows he could score 50-60 goals a year some day in the NHL he has that much potential,talent and skill!!!
 

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When I read that Matvei Michkov is ill I immediately thought the wheels are in motion to bring him back to SKA or maybe the Flyers found a way to buy out his contract and pay the KHL a Development fee of say 5-6 Million dollars! Michkov is quite the talent and would score 30-35 goals in the NHL right now...and who knows he could score 50-60 goals a year some day in the NHL he has that much potential,talent and skill!!!
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He's a freak, I honestly dont know how many goals he'd score but I truly think he's a 70-80 point guy right now in the NHL, he's not Bedard when it comes to shooting but the amount of passes that land on guys sticks in the slot is insane, NHL guys in the top 6 don't miss a lot of those, I think he'd legit hit 70 point this year. His time will come, just hope it's sooner, rather than later.
 
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Ah, makes sense

the tweet i was looking at from a transaction account just had Rendelic on SKA but had a blank spot under Sochi (usually displays both sides receiving)
 
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