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RW Kasperi Kapanen (2014, 22nd, PIT; traded to TOR)

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Loffer said:
What is this joke anyway??

If Barkov won't learn his English to get along simply by livin in Miami - then something is surely wrong with his praised smarts... :help:
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He'd be better off speaking Spanish in Miami
 
Whileee said:
Kapanen's team was very low scoring. If you adjust his point total for his team's number of goals it adds some perspective...

Proportion of team's goals in which the player had a point:

Armia (2010-11): 0.20
Kapanen (2013-14): 0.18
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Finnish SM-liiga hasn't exactly been improving during all these years... Armia's Ässät also finished second in regular season during that season, not dead last like KalPa this season. You could argue that it takes bit more from young player to earn playing minutes in competitive roster and carry out that team rather than just glide around for points.

Anyways it's bit alarming to see Finnish top prospect putting up worse production numbers than any other Finnish top-20 draft picks have managed to gather on this decade. Just based on recent numbers Kapanen should be later first round/early second round pick and certainly not the first ranked European skater.
 
Tulipunaruusu said:
Anyways it's bit alarming to see Finnish top prospect putting up worse production numbers than any other Finnish top-20 draft picks have managed to gather on this decade. Just based on recent numbers Kapanen should be later first round/early second round pick and certainly not the first ranked European skater.
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I still think Kapanen should get the hell away from KalPa for his own development. I'm surprised his family, drenched in hockey knowledge, doesn't see it that way.
 
Tulipunaruusu said:
Finnish SM-liiga hasn't exactly been improving during all these years... Armia's Ässät also finished second in regular season during that season, not dead last like KalPa this season. You could argue that it takes bit more from young player to earn playing minutes in competitive roster and carry out that team rather than just glide around for points.

Anyways it's bit alarming to see Finnish top prospect putting up worse production numbers than any other Finnish top-20 draft picks have managed to gather on this decade. Just based on recent numbers Kapanen should be later first round/early second round pick and certainly not the first ranked European skater.
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I guess that all of the scouts that have ranked him this year aren't just going by numbers.
 
Tulipunaruusu said:
Finnish SM-liiga hasn't exactly been improving during all these years... Armia's Ässät also finished second in regular season during that season, not dead last like KalPa this season. You could argue that it takes bit more from young player to earn playing minutes in competitive roster and carry out that team rather than just glide around for points.

Anyways it's bit alarming to see Finnish top prospect putting up worse production numbers than any other Finnish top-20 draft picks have managed to gather on this decade. Just based on recent numbers Kapanen should be later first round/early second round pick and certainly not the first ranked European skater.
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Scouts actually watch the player.. That's why they disagree with you.
 
Whileee said:
I guess that all of the scouts that have ranked him this year aren't just going by numbers.
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By the letters on the backside of his jersey then?

Rasmus Ristolainen was picked 8th, Joel Armia 16th and Teuvo Teräväinen went 18th.

If we take just those three Finnish prospects you could say Buffalo likes to gamble and Chicago was almost fortunate. Whether you thank your or the other teams scouting and drafting knowledge for those picks afterwards...

Armia is the only comparison for Finnish questionable first round draft picks in terms of local 'appreciation' and he had twice the season of Kapanen on his draft year including international games. So ranking Kapanen in top-20 is questionable.

Tuomaz said:
Scouts actually watch the player.. That's why they disagree with you.
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And that is why there are no draft busts in modern NHL from this day on...
 
Tulipunaruusu said:
By the letters on the backside of his jersey then?

Rasmus Ristolainen was picked 8th, Joel Armia 16th and Teuvo Teräväinen went 18th.

If we take just those three Finnish prospects you could say Buffalo likes to gamble and Chicago was almost fortunate. Whether you thank your or the other teams scouting and drafting knowledge for those picks afterwards...

Armia is the only comparison for Finnish questionable first round draft picks in terms of local 'appreciation' and he had twice the season of Kapanen on his draft year including international games. So ranking Kapanen in top-20 is questionable.

And that is why there are no draft busts in modern NHL from this day on...
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I suppose you know that NHL teams actually have scouts based in Scandanavia, and that the scouts and GMs spend a lot of time talking to local hockey experts, including coaches, etc. There's a lot of money to be made for someone who can reliably predict which players will "bust" and which won't. Do you provide advice to NHL scouts on a regular basis?
 
Tulipunaruusu said:
By the letters on the backside of his jersey then?

Rasmus Ristolainen was picked 8th, Joel Armia 16th and Teuvo Teräväinen went 18th.

If we take just those three Finnish prospects you could say Buffalo likes to gamble and Chicago was almost fortunate. Whether you thank your or the other teams scouting and drafting knowledge for those picks afterwards...

Armia is the only comparison for Finnish questionable first round draft picks in terms of local 'appreciation' and he had twice the season of Kapanen on his draft year including international games. So ranking Kapanen in top-20 is questionable.

And that is why there are no draft busts in modern NHL from this day on...
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By the way, if you want to go by the "numbers", here is the approximate percentage of team goals in which each of the following players had a point in their draft season:

Teravainen: 15%
Kapanen: 18%

Teravainen scored 0.45 points / game vs. Kapanen at 0.30 pts / game, but Tervavainen's team (Jokerit) scored more than 80% more goals per game than Kapanen's team.

Personally, I think that scouting by these raw numbers is short-sighted and amateurish, but if you want to compare players based on their scoring in the same league you have to account for the relative strength of their team.
 
Tulipunaruusu said:
By the letters on the backside of his jersey then?

Rasmus Ristolainen was picked 8th, Joel Armia 16th and Teuvo Teräväinen went 18th.

If we take just those three Finnish prospects you could say Buffalo likes to gamble and Chicago was almost fortunate. Whether you thank your or the other teams scouting and drafting knowledge for those picks afterwards...

Armia is the only comparison for Finnish questionable first round draft picks in terms of local 'appreciation' and he had twice the season of Kapanen on his draft year including international games. So ranking Kapanen in top-20 is questionable.



And that is why there are no draft busts in modern NHL from this day on...
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So you have better knowledge of Finnish prospects than most other Finns here and the actual professional scouts? And none of the ones you mentioned deserved to go as 'early' as they did in your opinion? You're way too harsh on Finnish prospects, man.

I can't rank Kapanen that well because I haven't seen enough of the others, but skill-wise he's already way better than his dad ever was. He's not a midget but not a giant either, skates well, has a nice shot but could use some maturing in the attitude department IMO.
 
Gaps said:
So you have better knowledge of Finnish prospects than most other Finns here and the actual professional scouts? And none of the ones you mentioned deserved to go as 'early' as they did in your opinion? You're way too harsh on Finnish prospects, man.

I can't rank Kapanen that well because I haven't seen enough of the others, but skill-wise he's already way better than his dad ever was. He's not a midget but not a giant either, skates well, has a nice shot but could use some maturing in the attitude department IMO.
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Every interview and etc i have watched Kapanen seems like a modest kid with clear sight of the future. Can someone give me some examples where his attitude has been bad?
 
Marc the Habs Fan said:
To me, it seems clear the Panthers brass said that to Kapanen as a joke, which can happen during those combine interviews (The Flames video with Virtanen and Thomas going through their interviews shows a lot of good natured ribbing and jokes)...only Kapanen took it seriously and decided to repeat it to the media.
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I could only shake my head in shame when I saw an article on Finnish tabloid ''Florida planning surprising move to help Barkov''.

''Hottest names of the draft are Ekblad, Reinhart and Bennett but Florida could use their pick on Kapanen''

''The interview with Florida went well and they said they want me there because I could Barkov with english''


:laugh:
 
Whileee said:
By the way, if you want to go by the "numbers", here is the approximate percentage of team goals in which each of the following players had a point in their draft season:

Teravainen: 15%
Kapanen: 18%

Teravainen scored 0.45 points / game vs. Kapanen at 0.30 pts / game, but Tervavainen's team (Jokerit) scored more than 80% more goals per game than Kapanen's team.

Personally, I think that scouting by these raw numbers is short-sighted and amateurish, but if you want to compare players based on their scoring in the same league you have to account for the relative strength of their team.
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And it ain't easier to get that chance (and especially minutes) to put up points in last season's KalPa than in for example Jokerit (one of the most valuable rosters in Finland) who took bronze during Teräväinen's draft season?

Gaps said:
So you have better knowledge of Finnish prospects than most other Finns here and the actual professional scouts? And none of the ones you mentioned deserved to go as 'early' as they did in your opinion? You're way too harsh on Finnish prospects, man.
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Ristolainen is a risk (perhaps his mental 'attributes' make it worth it) at that draft position, Armia's skill set was kind of a desperation pick from Buffalo's side and Teräväinen was good pick that at least 17 other professional (and apparently always right in their judgment) NHL scouts didn't feel strong enough about to pick him earlier...
 
Ok I have a question for you guys: Should Kapanen be a top-15 pick? Here is the info we know about Kapanen:

All professional scouts rank Kapanen high despite low production.
One poster on hfboards ranks Kapanen low because of low production.

Which source of info is more credible?

Hmm.. tough one... :laugh:
 
Or maybe FLA brass didn't mean it as they will pick him 1st OA, but that they might move back to 8-10th range and pick him... While picking up some extra assets, players.
 
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