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RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 2

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fr9dd9 said:
Mikael Renberg just said on swedish television that he thinks kakko Will be a superstar and that he thinks he look a little like forsberg.

They showed an interview later where they asked kakko why he thinks hughes is ranked number one and not him, he said he thinks he is a little bit better skatter but thats it. He also said he wants to be the best so it would mean alot to him to get drafted #1.

And Renberg really likes kakko thats for sure.
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Renberg also said before last season that Marcus Westfält would be better than Elias Pettersson...
 
fr9dd9 said:
Well it all depens on how you define a superstar, and sure if he is not. He came pretty close being one. So I guess you dont agree with renberg?
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Nah, I’m not saying I disagree with him about Kakko. Just that he should be taken with a grain of salt :)
 
Well I would say that every singel human that says any 17 year ols is going to be a superstar should be taken with a grain of salt
 
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Blade Paradigm said:
Most of the rush chances were killed by the mere fact that Lundell kept passing the puck out of Kakko's reach. I thought Kakko's best moments were in the first period.

The entire Finnish team looked sloppy. Team USA outpaced them and drew six penalties.

An interesting moment took place in the third period on the final penalty kill; Kakko and Lundell were out to kill the first minute, and spent much of the PK shift in the offensive zone. They haven't previously been used on the PK, so that was a good test.

The ice time distribution is questionable.

Aleksi Heponiemi - 19:54
Rasmus Kupari - 17:30
Eeli Tolvanen - 16:35
Santeri Virtanen - 16:15
Linus Nyman - 14:54
Anton Lundell - 14:15
Kaapo Kakko - 13:30
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I just mentioned in the PGT that Ahokas majorly fked up with ice time distribution but couldn't find the statistics to prove it. No wonder if fans barely noticed Kakko. Not because he wasn't good, but simply because he didn't play. That's an average 3rd line player TOI we're looking at. How the heck do you fail to give your team's best forward more ice time than 13:30 in a game like this with very high stakes? That's a serious fk up and like I said before, Ahokas basically handed the game over. What a joke. This man should not have had any business coaching this team after the disaster last year, but for whatever reason the Finnish Hockey Federation failed to fire him and that's on them too. Finland could have won the game if they had someone capable holding the reigns and Kakko could have done so much more if he was given the chance.

Also one of the reasons you see Heponiemi with high TOI is because he doesn't come in when called but instead continues to play like his line was on the ice. I've seen this many times over throughout the course of the tournament. That speaks a lot of the discipline in the team, if not the lack of it.

It frigging pisses me off when games are lost because of the refs, but when your own coach is the blame that's like double the "fun".
 
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kelsier said:
I just mentioned in the PGT that Ahokas majorly fked up with ice time distribution but couldn't find the statistics to prove it. No wonder if fans barely noticed Kakko.
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For the record, if you need official game stats, you can find them in the IIHF game sheets. They tend to the be attached to the game summaries on Wikipedia; there is a link to a PDF file in each Wikipedia game summary titled "Game reference." It seems to be standard practice on Wikipedia to include them as a citation.

2019 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships - Wikipedia
 
Really hate the fact that kakko plays 13-14 minutes a game, every swedish tv journalists and so on says they dont understand it eighter. And tbh no one does exept ahokas.. But why is the question
 
bigdog16 said:
How is a 60 point forward a superstar? Hes not even a top 3 player on his team...?
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It’s really about semantics if a really good player is a superstar or not. Anyway a 60 point player is a 1st line star in most of the NHL teams, so it anyway means the player is already really good.

And no, there is not any other player better than Teräväinen in the Canes than Aho. If you claim that there is someone else even better than him, you better come up with the name then.
 
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Ippenator said:
It’s really about semantics if a really good player is a superstar or not. Anyway a 60 point player is a 1st line star in most of the NHL teams, so it anyway means the player is already really good.

And no, there is not any other player better than Teräväinen in the Canes than Aho. If you claim that there is someone else even better than him, you better come up with the name then.
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I would probably take any of their top 4 D before him
 
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bigdog16 said:
I would probably take any of their top 4 D before him
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Then you are for some reason really undervaluing Teräväinen very much. I have watched almost every game for the Canes for the last three seasons and although they have pretty good defencemen, unfortunately none of them are real star defencemen after all. None of them has been able to play consistently enough during those three seasons. I would maybe say that last season’s Slavin could have been marginally a better player than Teräväinen, but this season there is no question about Teräväinen being the 2nd best player for the Canes, as Slavin has had really a pretty poor season and he has been very disappointing.

No other Canes defenceman could in my opinion be even that close to the class that Teräväinen brings after all with his skills and production.
 
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bigdog16 said:
How is a 60 point forward a superstar? Hes not even a top 3 player on his team...?
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So you cant be a superstar if you dont get more then 60 points? U do know Teravainen brings alot more to the table then just getting points? he is what I would say a two way player, and if not a superstar one of that, really close being one.
 
Blade Paradigm said:
For the record, if you need official game stats, you can find them in the IIHF game sheets. They tend to the be attached to the game summaries on Wikipedia; there is a link to a PDF file in each Wikipedia game summary titled "Game reference." It seems to be standard practice on Wikipedia to include them as a citation.

2019 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships - Wikipedia
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Thanks for info, I'll certainly keep an eye on that in the future games and happy new years by the way!

Anyway, there's tons of hockey followers in the country and still I've read no comments in regards to Kakko's (or entire 2nd line's) ice time from the online news papers, which kind of speaks about this event still not having so much popularity over here. The kid has been the talking point all year so I'd have expected some kind of discussion but there's nothing really. Of course today is a public holiday here and I suppose even the journalists have days off, but nonetheless.

Under different coach he would've had far more success than he's had so far. At first there was Nyman slowing things down, then later this coach has issues with ice time distribution. Of course above all, we lose and the whole tournament looks like another pancake. Just unbelievable.
 
fr9dd9 said:
So you cant be a superstar if you dont get more then 60 points? U do know Teravainen brings alot more to the table then just getting points? he is what I would say a two way player, and if not a superstar one of that, really close being one.
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No, you can't be a superstar if you don't score more than 60 points. TT is not now and never will be that kind of player, regardless of how much you overvalue two-way play.
 
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Blade Paradigm said:
Some of you seem overly worried about trivial, miscellaneous details about Finnish prospects.

It's one thing to discuss a player's tendencies and ability on the ice; it's a totally different thing to micromanage his stick length preferences and language skills.

Patrik Laine didn't get any bonus points for getting his driver's license before the 2016 World Championship.
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Off ice things matter too. Going through Finnish school system and not learning English means you are either stupid and/or lazy. Both are flaws I would be worried about if I was a GM. Any kid aiming to play in the NHL should work on his English skills, there's no viable excuse.
 
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paragon said:
Off ice things matter too. Going through Finnish school system and not learning English means you are either stupid and/or lazy. Both are flaws I would be worried about if I was a GM. Any kid aiming to play in the NHL should work on his English skills, there's no viable excuse.
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That’s kind of harsh. There are born and raised Americans who can’t speak English.:sarcasm:
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Kakko has 3 points in 4 games at the WJC. Has he done enough at this tournament to overtake Hughes in the consensus rankings?
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Hughes' injury may have been a blessing in disguise for Jack, as I'm sure had he continued to play at the level that he did against Team Slovakia and Team Czech Republic last week, some heads would have turned.
 
Blade Paradigm said:
Hughes' injury may have been a blessing in disguise for Jack, as I'm sure had he continued to play at the level that he did against Team Slovakia and Team Czech Republic last week, some heads would have turned.
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every.single.post:laugh:

you microanalyze every single game he plays with useless analytics or stats like you're gonna convince people that he is inferior to Kakko. they both have great bodies of work, can't we just admit that and stop all the ****posting?
 

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