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RW Kaapo Kakko - TPS, Liiga (2019 Draft) Part 2

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voicing my opinion said:
When you say "should know how to SPEAK English", I disagree. It's super easy to avoid to speaking English, it happens naturally.

What he definitely should know is how to read and understand English, that you can't avoid. But that doesn't help in an interview like this. But speaking especially for Finns is a different ballgame. You can't just study/hear/read it, you need to actually speak it a lot to get comfortable. And that's something that often takes moving to a place where it's spoken everyday.

A Finn could have a perfect vocabulary in English and still can't be able to speak English coherently. Such different languages. Completely different from Swedes.
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I didn't mean he should actually speak it. Even I can put up some sentences in my head but probably I wouldn't want to say anything or ask anything. It is so easy to misunderstand.

I meant something like if he understands he could speak some words or something, didn't mean he should actually speak it well. I've been always terrible in English at school and I hated speaking it. Even writing is still quite difficult. I think what I said was just wrongly written when I thought actually in my head and even writed in Finnish that I didn't think him not speaking English in the interview is worrying or surprising when even I know we don't actually speak English that much at school.

I am sorry if my point came out wrong.
 
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FinPanda said:
I didn't mean he should actually speak it. Even I can put up some sentences in my head but probably I wouldn't want to say anything or ask anything. It is so easy to misunderstand.

I meant something like if he understands he could speak some words or something, didn't mean he should actually speak it well. I've been always terrible in English at school and I hated speaking it. Even writing is still quite difficult. I think what I said was just wrongly written when I thought actually in my head and even writed in Finnish that I didn't think him not speaking English in the interview is worrying or surprising when even I know we don't actually speak English that much in school.

I am sorry if my point came out wrong.
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Yea. And even if you do speak it more in school, the hours are still not enough to get comfortable with it. You have to do it on your own time a lot and that's kinda rare still. You pretty much have to have English speaking friends and talk with them every day (maybe through video games) or move somewhere where they speak English every day. Couple teammates you speak with here and there don't cut it.

I think most Finnish people (especially the younger generations) can 'speak' close to perfect English in their head because they hear and read it everywhere all the time, but when they open their mouth and actually try to speak it... it just comes out all wrong. The mouth doesn't cooperate with the brain. You gotta train it by actually doing it a lot. That's a non-issue with other Germanic language speakers like Swedes.
 
voicing my opinion said:
Yea. And even if you do speak it more in school, the hours are still not enough to get comfortable with it. You have to do it on your own time a lot and that's kinda rare still. You pretty much have to have English speaking friends and talk with them every day (maybe through video games) or move somewhere where they speak English every day. Couple teammates you speak with here and there don't cut it.

I think most Finnish people (especially the younger generations) can 'speak' close to perfect English in their head because they hear and read it everywhere all the time, but when they open their mouth and actually try to speak it... it just comes out all wrong. The mouth doesn't cooperate with the brain. You gotta train it by actually doing it a lot. That's a non-issue with other Germanic language speakers like Swedes.
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Yeah, I don't think it will be any problem to Kakko in the future. He'll be using English so much more.
 
Professional Hockey journalists are giving thoughts about the draft, here is one Kaapo Kakko is a Better NHL Prospect Than Jack Hughes (Thinks Kakko is a better prospect then Hughes)

and then we have one in sweden that ranked every player in the tournament from 1-10, where jack hughes was #1 and kakko was not even on the list.

I wrote to him that it feels wierd that kakko is not even on the list if jack is #1, and that he might overrate him abit. He simply replied "sometimes in drafts the difference are that big, just look at last year with dahlin"
 
Was looking into some fresh news articles about Kakko @ WJC and for some reason one of them referred to a tweet dating back to October. Don't recall seeing this here before but could be early dementia, who knows. Not super familiar myself with Emmanuel Perry, who's the supposed founder of Corsica and developer of NHLe, but here's something I came up with in the morning:



There's more to the story in Reddit.

Another article I found about his training, breakthrough in the juniors and getting where is he today is certainly worth the read but the article was in Finnish and unfortunately I don't have the time to translate it. He is being described as relentless worker (oftentimes pushing his own boundaries), very ambitious and someone who really believes in himself, wants to win and absolutely despises losing. Great confidence is certainly the foundation for pretty much any great athlete. For anyone interested, here's the source: Suomen MM-kultajahdin nuori timantti on Kanadassa erityistarkkailussa – Kaapo Kakko kasvaa legendojen ympäröimänä NHL-tähdeksi

So far it looks like Kakko has turned some eye pairs and I guess time will tell if he turns some heads around as well along the way. Also like I said, if they keep the line from last game intact (Tolvanen - Lundell - Kakko) that should add some serious gear to his game. This reminds me why I've always been so excited about this tournament as opposed to WHC for instance, where old farts mainly from Europe compete vs one another. The insights towards the future seem much, much more fascinating.

Of course one thing I'd liked to see was Kakko playing in the middle in this tournament as he seemed to have begun the transition process at FEL already, so fans may think he'll stay on the wing but I doubt that's the long term goal since his traits are more suited towards the center. Will Kakko turn into a Finnish version of Forsberg reminds to be seen, but even the thought of it seems crazy to think of in addition to all of the other recent top end prospects we've had.
 
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This reminds me why I've always been so excited about this tournament as opposed to WHC for instance, where old farts mainly from Europe compete vs one another. The insights towards the future seem much, much more fascinating.
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And ofcourse the WHC being so massive in Finland allows someone who is much more into the WJC feel very special. The Finnish WJC enthusiasts are truly unique snowflakes who are nothing like the stupid masses with their Karjala caps who were rooting for old farts like Rantanen, Aho, Teräväinen, Kapanen, Tolvanen and Heiskanen just last May.

Sadly I'm not one of those intellectuals, which is why I'd like to see Kakko play in the men's tournament in Slovakia next May after hopefully eliminating Tappara from the finals. Even though watching players like McDavid, Gaudreau, Ekman-Larsson, Dubois, Pastrnak, Horvat, Kane, Barzal and McAvoy isn't that fascinating, playing against the likes of them would tell us more about Kakko's potential than competing against teenagers.
 
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Lepardi said:
And ofcourse the WHC being so massive in Finland allows someone who is much more into the WJC feel very special. The Finnish WJC enthusiasts are truly unique snowflakes who are nothing like the stupid masses with their Karjala caps who were rooting for old farts like Rantanen, Aho, Teräväinen, Kapanen, Tolvanen and Heiskanen just last May.

Sadly I'm not one of those intellectuals, which is why I'd like to see Kakko play in the men's tournament in Slovakia next May after hopefully eliminating Tappara from the finals. Even though watching players like McDavid, Gaudreau, Ekman-Larsson, Dubois, Pastrnak, Horvat, Kane, Barzal and McAvoy isn't that fascinating, playing against the likes of them would tell us more about Kakko's potential than competing against teenagers.
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Did it ever even occur to you that maybe, just maybe pretty much every Finnish hockey fan has already seen all of these players before, some maybe tens and others over hundreds of times? "But these NHL stars come and play for Team Finland!". So what? It's not even the story every year. I for instance have pretty good knowledge of what each of them bring to the table and there's no real excitement there. Now if you were talking about World Cup or Olympics (with NHL involved) that'd be another story. I'm sure people enjoy different things and there's nothing wrong about that. Both of the former do come before WJC at my list as well.

I wouldn't mind seeing Kakko at the WHC team either and I'm rooting for him to make it. However if you seriously believe seeing Kakko's arse being wiped with the ice a crapload of times by superstars playing in the NHL would tell you more about him than the WJC that he is currently playing (and facing 1-2 year in average older competition), then you'd seriously should consider buying a ticket back to earth from whatever moon you currently occupy. There's no 17 year old player on this particular planet that could compete against seasoned NHL veterans. Let alone believing that facing such competition would somehow reveal some mysteries about that kid's potential, ha.
 
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Mikael Renberg just said on swedish television that he thinks kakko Will be a superstar and that he thinks he look a little like forsberg.

They showed an interview later where they asked kakko why he thinks hughes is ranked number one and not him, he said he thinks he is a little bit better skatter but thats it. He also said he wants to be the best so it would mean alot to him to get drafted #1.

And Renberg really likes kakko thats for sure.
 
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Mikael Renberg just said on swedish television that he thinks kakko Will be a superstar and that he thinks he look a little like forsberg.

They showed an interview later where they asked kakko why he thinks hughes is ranked number one and not him, he said he thinks he is a little bit better skatter but thats it. He also said he wants to be the best so it would mean alot to him to get drafted #1.

And Renberg really likes kakko thats for sure.
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He said the same thing about Teräväinen in 2014.
 
I will admit i dont watch much of him but in the game tonight i didnt really notice him at all. Expected more
 
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I will admit i dont watch much of him but in the game tonight i didnt really notice him at all. Expected more
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Kind of agree, but those few Times he got the puck I think he did well. But I dont think he is satisfied by tonight showings eighter.
 
fr9dd9 said:
Kind of agree, but those few Times he got the puck I think he did well. But I dont think he is satisfied by tonight showings eighter.
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Most of the rush chances were killed by the mere fact that Lundell kept passing the puck out of Kakko's reach. I thought Kakko's best moments were in the first period.

The entire Finnish team looked sloppy. Team USA outpaced them and drew six penalties.

An interesting moment took place in the third period on the final penalty kill; Kakko and Lundell were out to kill the first minute, and spent much of the PK shift in the offensive zone. They haven't previously been used on the PK, so that was a good test.

The ice time distribution is questionable.

Aleksi Heponiemi - 19:54
Rasmus Kupari - 17:30
Eeli Tolvanen - 16:35
Santeri Virtanen - 16:15
Linus Nyman - 14:54
Anton Lundell - 14:15
Kaapo Kakko - 13:30
 
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Finland is a broken team. as in not well balanced or well prepared tactically. Set up play is far too passive with a passive PP and PK to make things worse. Not a single player played close to their potential. I look at coach Ahokas. I said at the start of the game (vs US) that if Finland keeps playing that tactic they will lose the game. This was the second time in the tournament Ahokas was badly outcoached when it mattered. Finland, like against Sweden, insisted on driving the play when their defense is too weak to do so and collapses under pressure. Hard to get anything going playing like that. The US were smarter, they knew Finland's setup and let Finland attack the defended neutral zone and a focused defense and then counter attack the porous Finnish defense. The Finns then get frustrated when their game plan doesn't work and start to take stupid penalties from trying too hard. All so predictable.

With everything out of sync Kakko and Lundell et al have to toil like madmen to get anything going yet everyone are slightly off positions constantly...
 
He's the best player for team Finland.

Yet again though they are showing they can't play on NA ice as a team.
 

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