RW Jesse Puljujärvi (2016, 4th, EDM) VII

[gwh]

Button is one of those guys who is below the average HF poster in hockey knowledge/player projections

This list? http://www.tsn.ca/who-are-the-best-players-not-skating-in-the-nhl-1.677389

Demko at 33, Rubtsov at 38.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Button is one of those guys who is below the average HF poster in hockey knowledge/player projections

I wouldn't say he's that bad. I actually appreciate reading his non-mainstream opinions, even though I rarely ever agree with them because it's probably a lot closer to what kinds of lists an individual scout puts together. Most central rankings are done via an average of all scouts' opinions when in reality, each of them probably have most individual players ranked 10 or more spots apart. He's just someone who has very stubborn opinions about players and tends to exaggerate about them to get his point across, but a lot of those against the grain viewpoints have turned out to be true.

For example back in the 2011 draft when Larsson/Couturier were both considered top 3 prospects, Button ranked them 7th and 8th respectively which is around where they'd go in a redraft, with Couturier going right where Button had him. He also ranked consensus second rounder Kucherov at 17 which should've been higher if anything. In 2012 he ranked consensus top 5 picks Ryan Murray at 13 and Mikhail Grigorenko at 20 (who actually fell too), which are pretty much where they'd go in a redraft. In 2014 he ranked Jake Virtanen at 43 which looks to be correct, and although he went full lovefest for guys like Sanheim at 8, Kempe at 10, Kamenev at 12 etc, all too high, these players have so far outperformed their actual draft positions. The guy is a former GM after all, he knows how scouts evaluate players.

On the flipside, he has made some mind-numblingly stupid rankings like Ryan Murphy at 4 in 2011, Matt Dumba at 2, Malcolm Subban at 8, and Matt Finn at 9 in 2012. Which explains why he's a fired GM.

For the record, he listed Marner as the #6 prospect last year and Draisaitl at the same slot the year before. Going off that, Puljujarvi is going to have a very nice season coming up.

 

[The Gloaming]

At least Button won't rank a prospect higher than he should be just because he's big. More than you can say for a lot of other scouts.

 

[Redline]

That's a bit harsh, the average Hf poster is wayy too emotional and biased

I'll say, not to mention almost every single one of them are merely parroting what real scouts say themselves.
Some of the "scouts" here take themselves way too seriously.

 

[sandhu111]

I would leave him down there a little longer for sure, he's rolling now, let him just keep gaining more confidence with his shot. He's shooting around 3/shots per gm now and scoring on some nice plays.

 

[HasbeenHallzy]

At least Button won't rank a prospect higher than he should be just because he's big. More than you can say for a lot of other scouts.

But he will somehow put Alex Nylander 2nd

 

[SullivanT]

Thats more what I was referring to. A short term solution, not a long term fit. Throw that line together late in games when you need a goal or when the team is in a slump for a game or 2.


Yeah the one announcer for the Condors was talking about how Jesse would be out running hill sprints at 6 am before practice. Sounds like a hard worker, and they're always talking about how much the kid eats lol. Shouldn't be hard for him to get stronger this off season, and could have a Draisaitl like turn around. Draisaitl put in a ton of work after his disappointing rookie year and came in last year very noticeably stronger, faster, and more explosive.

Is it weird I picture him doing hill sprints with a box of pizza in one hand and a protein shake with a straw in the other

 

[Draiskull]

He's playing with so much confidence right now and looks great. I know it's been said lots but his skating is just a thing of beauty to watch.

Being sent down was the best thing to happen for him. How Craig Button doesn't have him ranked as the #1 prospect is shocking.

Why does Puljujarvi need to be #1 on that list? Button had him 6th when Pulju had 13pts in 17 AHL games.
Pulju looks better than that now but being on a top 10 of that list is still flattering.

being under-hyped is just what the doctor has ordered for Pulju.

 

[cneely]

At least Button won't rank a prospect higher than he should be just because he's big. More than you can say for a lot of other scouts.

Logan Stanley

He doesn't belong anywhere near that list.

 

[Aceboogie]

Why does Puljujarvi need to be #1 on that list? Button had him 6th when Pulju had 13pts in 17 AHL games.
Pulju looks better than that now but being on a top 10 of that list is still flattering.

being under-hyped is just what the doctor has ordered for Pulju.

No kidding. Oilers have had 2 prospects #1 on that list (Schultz, Yak). Important thing for JP is that hell have very little pressure on him. On numerous teams hed be the blue chip/ near franchise level prospect and a rebuild could succeed or fail with him. On the Oilers Puljujarvi is like 5th on the most important and crucial young player. Behind McDavid, Draisaitl, Klefbom, Larsson and maybe even Nurse. Oilers can stick him in AHL and let him develop there and almost forget about him

 

[JetsFan815]

I am sure Dubois is going to be good player and he is having a solid season too. But if I was a CBJ fan, it would absolutely be killing me to see Puljujarvi dominate the AHL like this at 18.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

I am sure Dubois is going to be good player and he is having a solid season too. But if I was a CBJ fan, it would absolutely be killing me to see Puljujarvi dominate the AHL like this at 18.

49p in 43g is pretty underwhelming for a top3 prospect. I have Tkachuk ahead both of them tho... a bit early to say, but I think Columbus and Vancouver ****ed up real bad.

 

[LMFAO]

I know some people are already doubting Puljujarvi because he isnt setting the NHL on fire like Laine but 20pts in 22 GP in the AHL for a 18 year old is actually pretty ****in good

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

I know some people are already doubting Puljujarvi because he isnt setting the NHL on fire like Laine but 20pts in 22 GP in the AHL for a 18 year old is actually pretty ****in good

Why they should be doubting Pulju because of a player, who was picked ahead of him? I think comparing him to Tkachuk would make more sense.

 

[snipes]

Why they should be doubting Pulju because of a player, who was picked ahead of him? I think comparing him to Tkachuk would make more sense.

Different needs. Tkachuk is good for Calgary, but he doesn't possess the skill level and size combination Pulju does. Pulju is also right handed (the Oilers are short on right handed forwards).

You have to remember, Pulju was drafted to be McDavids eventual RWer. His skating, release, and endurance will all be factors that will make them a lethal pairing. Pulju has the speed and endurance to keep up with McDavid (97 has an endurance level that is insane, he can still hit top speed at the end of 1:30 min shift. Likewise, Pulju is also an endurance machine. This will be important later on).

Tkachuk was pro ready this year (he's also a 1997 birth, Pulju a 1998 birth), but that doesn't mean he'll be better years from now. Draisaitl also took a slightly slower path to the NHL and he's now the best player from the 2014 draft class. Give it time, with Pulju's size, speed, and physical gifts are things you can't teach. He will make the perfect RWer for McDavid for many years to come. It will all come together in due time. This time in the AHL and adjusting to life in North America will be valuable life lessons for Pulju.

I hope the Finns don't forget how special this kid is, him and McDavid have a very bright future together in the years to come.

 

[Risingwind]

Got this from the Edmonton Oilers board. Not sure how accurate this description is, but it sure doesn't sound like a good way to develop your prospect

Are we talking about this interview? Breaking news, 18 yo rookie has things he needs to learn.



Of course I'm disappointed he didn't have a breakout season and compete for Calder already but then when you consider the normal reality we live in once more... Come on now.

Perhaps adding this from the Oilers board gives another perspective to the story too:

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Are we talking about this interview? Breaking news, 18 yo rookie has things he needs to learn.

I'm talking more about sending your 18 year old prospect to the locker room in the 1st period after a mistake. That's not how you develop a player. That's how you make him think "Oh **** if i make a mistake i'll be thrown into the locker room again"

You misunderstood where i'm coming from.

 

[Risingwind]

I'm talking more about sending your 18 year old prospect to the locker room in the 1st period after a mistake. That's not how you develop a player. That's how you make him think "Oh **** if i make a mistake i'll be thrown into the locker room again"

You misunderstood where i'm coming from.

I see now, sorry about that. We can only hope that Fleming knows what he's doing with Pulju.

 

[gwh]

I see now, sorry about that. We can only hope that Fleming knows what he's doing with Pulju.

Come on, nobody is getting developed in the AHL. Pulju will progress one year at his speed and next year make the team after summer workouts.

Just like everybody else... Players are made in summer, not in the AHL.

 

[McFlyingV]

Got this from the Edmonton Oilers board. Not sure how accurate this description is, but it sure doesn't sound like a good way to develop your prospect

Quite certain he was actually just on the bench for the remainder of the 1st period and didnt actually go to the locker room. Really not all that uncommon for a player to get benched for the remainder of a period when they're making a lot of mistakes. Sends a message that they need to work on some part of their game.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Quite certain he we actually just on the bench for the remainder of the 1st period and didnt actually go to the locker room. Really not all that uncommon for a player to get benched for the remainder of a period when they're making a lot of mistakes. Sends a message that they need to work on some part of their game.

Benching is fine.

 

[McFlyingV]

Benching is fine.

I agree. I did watch that game on stream and they showed Jesse on the bench with 5-6 minutes left in the period, plus the broadcast team kept trying to count the players on the bench to see if he was there because he hadn't been on the ice with the top line for a few shifts and they kept counting 14 players (aka he would have had to be on the bench). Even in the interview the guy says to Flemming "About 7 minutes into the 1st period #9 went onto the bench and didnt come back after the power play, was that a message?". So I'm pretty sure this entire locker room talk is just false.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I agree. I did watch that game on stream and they showed Jesse on the bench with 5-6 minutes left in the period, plus the broadcast team kept trying to count the players on the bench to see if he was there because he hadn't been on the ice with the top line for a few shifts and they kept counting 14 plaThyers (aka he would have had to be on the bench). Even in the interview the guy says to Flemming "About 7 minutes into the 1st period #9 went onto the bench and didnt come back after the power play, was that a message?". So I'm pretty sure this entire locker room talk is just false.

That's good. Sorry about giving out false info, i figured someone who watched the game knew what he was talking about.

 

[McFlyingV]

That's good. Sorry about giving out false info, i figured someone who watched the game knew what he was talking about.

No problem with me, it came from the Oilers board so I can understand why you would think its true. However, that posters posts should be taken with a grain of salt. He is a poster who attends Bakersfield games, but he has an odd way of evaluating talent and often praises guys who win puck battles and play hard nosed hockey rather than a lot of skilled players. I often find myself watching games that he gives his opinion on and come away with a completely different view on the game and the players. He's been quite hard on Jesse, likely (my theory) because he isn't an overly physical player, still needs to get stronger protecting the puck, and is still prone to some mistakes with the puck given his age. He's not that poster's type of player, and thats fine, but I think it skews a lot of what he posts in regards to Jesse and his actual level of play.

For the record, to show that I'm not just blindly pumping Jesse's tires, he really was a turnover machine for a few games there and probably did deserve that benching. Not that other players don't do a lot of the same, but they're counting on Jesse to produce on the 1st line and he just hasnt had a good stretch the last 3 or 4 games. His time in Bakersfield as a whole has been very successful though, and if he was utilized more on the PP for his one-timer I think he'd be at point per game. Oesterle (who plays the point on the PP, who is also a player I like) often makes some poor shot choices when he has a wide open pass to Jesse for the one timer.

 

[snipes]

Beauty goal last night.