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RW Brock Boeser - North Dakota, NCAA (2015, 23rd, VAN)

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93LEAFS said:
Forgetting Bracco, Dermott and Nielsen..............Just joking not going to be that Leafs fan.

On a serious note, I'd add Konecny somewhere in your grouping. I don't agree with your order, but I'd say outside of missing Konecny its a fair grouping for the top of the 2015 draft. The only person I strongly disagree with being over Boeser is Werenski (I view him and Provorov as basically a coin flip at this point), the rest are fairly debatable in my mind.

The combo's of Jost and Boeser at North Dakota and Clayton Keller and Bellows (viewed by many as the 2016 comparable to Boeser) is going to be intriguing.
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Don't forget about Jacob Larsson. He's close to cracking the Ducks roster over Theodore and Montour who were sent down.
 
His shot is just not even remotely fair. Its stammer tarasenko-esk
 
If acceleration is Brock's issue, then he should probably be recommended to Bo Horvat's skating coach.
 
How'd he show in camp? I remember doing a mock draft on these boards and took boeser relatively high and got ripped on for it. Lol, Guys looking like a gamer for sure.
 
will13 said:
How'd he show in camp? I remember doing a mock draft on these boards and took boeser relatively high and got ripped on for it. Lol, Guys looking like a gamer for sure.
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As an NCAA amateur player, he has not been allowed to participate in either of the Canucks' last two preseason training camps. He won't be participating in any preseason training camps until he leaves school. As of now, he is unsigned. He might sign with the Canucks at the end of this season (Year 2) or at the end of next season (Year 3), at which point he will cease to be a college player. If he plays his fourth year in college and is unsigned on August 15th, 2019, he will become a UFA.

Most likely, he'll sign at the end of this season. If not, the Canucks aren't going to take chances not signing him in the summer of 2018.

I believe he'll sign at the end of this season. He was already leaning towards signing after last season. He decided not to because he did not want to rush his own development, and wanted the challenge of being one of the leaders on the North Dakota roster.


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=70502
Vancouver Canucks: Don't Expect to See Brock Boeser at Training Camp
August 18, 2015, 1:59 PM ET [151 Comments]
Carol Schram
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With just over three weeks to go until this year's Young Stars tournament kicks off in Penticton, it's worth reviewing how NCAA amateur-status rules impact player participation in NHL training camps.

The short version: it's forbidden.

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Q: Can I attend a testing session with an NHL team and retain my college eligibility?

A: NCAA regulations allow student-athletes (or prospective student-athletes) to take part in one testing or tryout session per NHL team, at the team's expense, for up to 48 hours. An exception is if a player takes part in the NHL Draft Combine or the NHL Research and Development Camp - those events are considered tryouts for all 30 teams. A player could participate in another tryout beyond those events, but would need to pay his own way.


Q: Can I attend an NHL team's summer development camp?

A: NCAA prospects or current players may attend NHL summer development camps, or prospect camps, but must pay their own way (transportation, lodging, food, etc.) and current players may not miss class to do so.

There is an opportunity, similar to the 48-hour rule (see above), to have an NHL team pay a portion of a player's stay at development camp on a one-time-per-team basis. The 48-hour period begins when you arrive at the team's facility and ends exactly 48 hours later. While in attendance the team can supply you with expenses that include travel, hotel, food, equipment, and all costs associated with practice and off-ice training. A player would have to cover all costs after that 48-hour period, including return transportation home.

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https://www.nhl.com/news/brock-boeser-canucks-prospect-aims-to-improve-game/c-281175164
Canucks' Brock Boeser not too cool for school
Vancouver forward prospect aims to improve game as sophomore for NCAA champion North Dakota
by Kevin Woodley / NHL.com Correspondent
July 16th, 2016

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Boeser recently was named one of four alternate captains for this season and will be the first sophomore since Toews to wear an "A" at North Dakota. Just as Boeser did during his second time through the annual Canucks development camp, he plans to assume a more active role in leadership duties during his second season of college hockey.

"This year I'm more of a guy some of the kids look up to, so I am kind of a role model and I can set the tone in a way," Boeser said of development camp. "The second-year guys know what to expect, so I think that's something you have to take pride in coming back, and I think that's going to be the different role I have on the team at school this year too. I've always been that way. Even as a kid growing up (in Burnsville, Minn.), I always tried to be a leader and a role model."

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That might help explain how Boeser resisted any temptation to join the Canucks early, even after watching linemates Drake Caggiula (Edmonton Oilers) and Nick Schmaltz (Chicago Blackhawks) turn pro. North Dakota defenseman Troy Stetcher left school early to sign as a free agent with the Canucks, but Boeser was more worried about hindering his development then missing out on a chance to cash in on early success.

"Obviously the thought is there, but as soon as our season ended, we were all on the same page," Boeser said. "My family, the North Dakota coaches, the Canucks organization, we all felt another year can benefit me in a big way, just from growing, being more mature and taking on another role.

"I just don't want to screw up my development. It's gone really well and this next year I think I can take another huge step, so not rushing it will help me."

Smyl already sees improvements in Boeser's skating since last season. The college schedule, with weekend games and week-long training time, allowed 6-foot-1 Boeser to add 10 pounds of muscle, putting him at 191. North Dakota's pro-level facilities, which include a shooting room, allowed Boeser to keep working on his greatest asset: a quick-release snap shot that can leave goalies guessing.

"It's the release," said Michael Gartieg, who signed with the Canucks as a free agent after losing to Boeser and North Dakota in the NCAA championship game with Quinnipiac University. "He can kind of hide his release and shoot the puck from anywhere. Even if it's in his feet, he can get it off quick and hard, and he's powerful too, and I think that separates Brock."

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"Offensively he's got great vision, he goes to the gray areas to score and when he gets there he's got that snap shot, that quick release that surprises a lot of goalies," Smyl said. "Now will he surprise goalies next year in college? They are going to know it's coming. At the next level, everyone is a little better and you have to get it away a little quicker. It gets a little tougher, a little faster, a little stronger. There are still steps, but he'll figure it out."
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LordNeverLose said:
Yours were way too high. 50/50 for the HB? 1/3 shot at putting up 81+ points????
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Boeser is the best player in the NCAA. It's expected for him to do these things.

Would you be surprised if I said I expect Crosby of having 50% to win Art Ross or Hart?

Boeser scored 60 points as a freshman, most of them in the second half of the season. 80 points is 2 points per game, which he has been averaging (actually surpassing) since Christmas last year.
 
Desmond Hume said:
Boeser is the best player in the NCAA. It's expected for him to do these things.

Would you be surprised if I said I expect Crosby of having 50% to win Art Ross or Hart?

Boeser scored 60 points as a freshman, most of them in the second half of the season. 80 points is 2 points per game, which he has been averaging (actually surpassing) since Christmas last year.
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Absolutely. Crosby has won 2 Art Ross in his 11 season career. Giving him a 50% chance to win it this year, at 29 years old, is insane.

Is he the most likely player to win it? Sure, I can see that. But there's like 10 players all with a 5-10% chance of winning it as well as a bunch of darkhorses. I wouldn't be surprised if any one of Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Seguin, Benn, Tavares, Kane, or McDavid won the Art Ross.

Even if we all agree that Boeser is the best player in college hockey, it's 1 man vs hundreds and hundreds of players.
 
JetsAlternate said:
As an NCAA amateur player, he has not been allowed to participate in either of the Canucks' last two preseason training camps. He won't be participating in any preseason training camps until he leaves school. As of now, he is unsigned. He might sign with the Canucks at the end of this season (Year 2) or at the end of next season (Year 3), at which point he will cease to be a college player. If he plays his fourth year in college and is unsigned on August 15th, 2019, he will become a UFA.

Most likely, he'll sign at the end of this season. If not, the Canucks aren't going to take chances not signing him in the summer of 2018.

I believe he'll sign at the end of this season. He was already leaning towards signing after last season. He decided not to because he did not want to rush his own development.


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=70502

https://www.nhl.com/news/brock-boeser-canucks-prospect-aims-to-improve-game/c-281175164
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Ah.. Lame. Too bad, one of the best prospects in the league. Wouldve been nice to how he stacked up.
 
CloutierForVezina said:
Absolutely. Crosby has won 2 Art Ross in his 11 season career. Giving him a 50% chance to win it this year, at 29 years old, is insane.

Is he the most likely player to win it? Sure, I can see that. But there's like 10 players all with a 5-10% chance of winning it as well as a bunch of darkhorses. I wouldn't be surprised if any one of Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Seguin, Benn, Tavares, Kane, or McDavid won the Art Ross.

Even if we all agree that Boeser is the best player in college hockey, it's 1 man vs hundreds and hundreds of players.
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The Vegas odds are +200, so the way the action is playing out people seem to think it has about a 33% chance of happening.
 
93LEAFS said:
The Vegas odds are +200, so the way the action is playing out people seem to think it has about a 33% chance of happening.
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If Vegas is paying out at a 33% valuation, that means the actual chance is much lower.

Crosby (33%) + Kane (17%) + Benn (14%) + McDavid (14%) + Tavares (10.5%) + Tarasenko/Seguin/Ovie (6.25%) + ... sums to well over 100%, because Vegas wants to make money on every bet.
 
CloutierForVezina said:
If Vegas is paying out at a 33% valuation, that means the actual chance is much lower.

Crosby (33%) + Kane (17%) + Benn (14%) + McDavid (14%) + Tavares (10.5%) + Tarasenko/Seguin/Ovie (6.25%) + ... sums to well over 100%, because Vegas wants to make money on every bet.
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Basically reduce everything by .1 or .15 (juice can be higher on prop bets) considering basically should be 110 dollars bet for every 100 paid out.
 
IslandBeast said:
Lol oh please. He's a good player but stop trying to hype him up so much.
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His shot is without a doubt his best attribute, probably at an NHL elite level right now. It will be the other parts of his game that will keep him from being at Tarasenko and Stamkos' level.
 
93LEAFS said:
Forgetting Bracco, Dermott and Nielsen..............Just joking not going to be that Leafs fan.

On a serious note, I'd add Konecny somewhere in your grouping. I don't agree with your order, but I'd say outside of missing Konecny its a fair grouping for the top of the 2015 draft. The only person I strongly disagree with being over Boeser is Werenski (I view him and Provorov as basically a coin flip at this point), the rest are fairly debatable in my mind.

The combo's of Jost and Boeser at North Dakota and Clayton Keller and Bellows (viewed by many as the 2016 comparable to Boeser) is going to be intriguing.
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Konecny of course. Knew there was someone i forgot :)
 
Aqualung said:
Who knows? Didn't dominate last year but I think he will have more opportunities this year to play a more prominent role as a returnee.
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Boeser's performance at the WJC's is the only thing holding me back from hopping on the hype train. He was given all the opportunity to succeed when given the chance to play with Matthews and Tkachuk but he couldn't keep up. If people can be doubtful about Tkachuk's success in the NHL when he put up 11pts in 10 games but Boeser only put up 3 than I'm still holding some scepticism on just how much impact Boeser will have. If he can prove he can keep up with the elite this year and excel than I'll be a believer.
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
Boeser's performance at the WJC's is the only thing holding me back from hopping on the hype train. He was given all the opportunity to succeed when given the chance to play with Matthews and Tkachuk but he couldn't keep up. If people can be doubtful about Tkachuk's success in the NHL when he put up 11pts in 10 games but Boeser only put up 3 than I'm still holding some scepticism on just how much impact Boeser will have. If he can prove he can keep up with the elite this year and excel than I'll be a believer.
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The world juniors is an incredibly small sample size. It's very dependent on hot streaks, line-mates, matchups, chemistry, luck, etc. Predicting success based on it is very iffy.

I mean, Cody Hodgson outscored Tavares, Eberle, and JVR in the 2009 WJC.
I'd say what Boeser has done consistently through 45 games against men trumps a 7 game sample size in the world juniors.
 
Sheik Yerbouti said:
Boeser's performance at the WJC's is the only thing holding me back from hopping on the hype train. He was given all the opportunity to succeed when given the chance to play with Matthews and Tkachuk but he couldn't keep up. If people can be doubtful about Tkachuk's success in the NHL when he put up 11pts in 10 games but Boeser only put up 3 than I'm still holding some scepticism on just how much impact Boeser will have. If he can prove he can keep up with the elite this year and excel than I'll be a believer.
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