Confirmed with Link: Ruutu to NJ for Loktionov and cond. 3rd in 2017

[MartyOwns]

ummmmm

rutuu > loki both with 2 months left

loki > rutuu when rutuu has 2 years left on his crap deal

we're talking about better players in this case. not salary. we're talking who is better- loki? some third round CONDITIONAL pick? or ruutu? the point was, having a guy over 30 isn't the end of the world when you balance them with some youth. 30's the new 20, says Joan Rivers

 

[hidek91]

Penner is like getting another Michael Ryder. Lou wanted someone who brought more than that. A more complete game. Stempniak I thought was an overpay to be honest.

I don't think Lou wanted any part of either. I'm disappointed about Hemsky who I thought would be a great fit here on our top line.

Michael Ryder has 16 goals scored this season, it is 11 more than Ruutu. If you randomly exclude 11 goals scored by Ryder, how much points less we would have? If you replaced Loktionov by Penner you could get few extra points without sacrificing anything significant. I agree about Hemsky tho.

 

[MartyOwns]

Being a hard team to play against means nothing if you don't win games.

Let's go win some freaking games. I swear I'll stop complaining.

we are winning some games. that just doesn't fit the narrative here...just like Marty's last 2 wins don't fit the narrative in the other thread.

 

[hidek91]

we're talking about better players in this case. not salary. we're talking who is better- loki? some third round CONDITIONAL pick? or ruutu? the point was, having a guy over 30 isn't the end of the world when you balance them with some youth. 30's the new 20, says Joan Rivers

Look, you can't ignore salary when talking about a trade. If you do, following this logic you could sign David Clarkson for let's say 8 millions/year and call it good signing because Clarkson > nothing.

 

[devilsblood]

So giving he has 2+ years to go. Do we include Ruutu in our "Core"?

Geezus freaking christmas.

 

[devilsblood]

we are winning some games. that just doesn't fit the narrative here...just like Marty's last 2 wins don't fit the narrative in the other thread.

Emphasis on some. I'll be much more cheerful when we are actually in the playoff picture.

 

[MartyOwns]

Basically you could overpay Gaborik, Vanek or Moulson if you get two of those overpaid and below average players off the books.

You could offer (this offseason) 6.5M+ to Moulson if you got rid of Ruutu & Salvador. And I'd rather see Moulson+Larsson in the lineup than Ruutu+Salvador.

Of course we have lots of cap money but with good cap management we could have 2-3 legit first-liners, given that we don't have contracts of Brodeur (or sign him at most at 1.5M), Salvador, Harrold, one of Clowe/Zubrus & Ruutu.

that's if those players want to play here. it would be foolish for Lou to assume that, especially given our last few bolts

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

So giving he has 2+ years to go. Do we include Ruutu in our "Core"?

Geezus freaking christmas.

If he fails we buy him out.

No one on ice that thin is part of our core.

Our core is very much just Henrique, Clowe, Zajac - young D + Greene and Cory.

Anyone else is either too old or too close to being cut.

 

[MartyOwns]

Look, you can't ignore salary when talking about a trade. If you do, following this logic you could sign David Clarkson for let's say 8 millions/year and call it good signing because Clarkson > nothing.

nobody is doing that. read PSEG's post that I responded to and come back to me.

 

[MartyOwns]

Emphasis on some. I'll be much more cheerful when we are actually in the playoff picture.

we're above .500 heading into the home stretch with an "easy" schedule, 2 goalies capable of winning games, and the best lineup I've seen in some time (volchenkov scratched). we're in better shape than this board would have you believe.

damn can we get multiquotes on the mobile version?

 

[NJ CUP*]

we're talking about better players in this case. not salary. we're talking who is better- loki? some third round CONDITIONAL pick? or ruutu? the point was, having a guy over 30 isn't the end of the world when you balance them with some youth. 30's the new 20, says Joan Rivers

to be honest with you they are the exact same.


this trade isn't going to help us make the playoffs. its not going to cost us the playoffs. if lou dealt loki for a 3rd round pick. it wouldn't cost us the playoffs. if lou got rutuu for a 20th round pick it wouldn't get us into the playoffs.

the problem with this deal is having this bum for 2 more years and giving up a possible pick.

the fact that carolina was willing to deal him to a division rival fighting for a playoff spot says a lot about what they think of the guy. everyone says that rutuu is a great player in a tight playoff race or in the playoffs against teams like the flyers bruins. guess what.....the canes are in the exact same situation as us! your telling me they dont need a guy like rutuu in those same games?

 

[NJ CUP*]

If he fails we buy him out.

No one on ice that thin is part of our core.

Our core is very much just Henrique, Clowe, Zajac - young D + Greene and Cory.

Anyone else is either too old or too close to being cut.

so we waste a buy out on him? instead of using it on a train or salvador thus creating that open slot for larrson to come in? good to know

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Here is what I would do, at least to start:

Clowe-Zajac-Jagr
Ruutu-Elias-Henrique
Ryder-Josefson-Brunner
Zubrus-Carter-Bernier

but we all know that is not going to happen.

 

[SeidoN]

Here is what I would do, at least to start:

Clowe-Zajac-Jagr
Clowe-Elias-Clowe
Ryder-Josefson-Brunner
Zubrus-Carter-Bernier

but we all know that is not going to happen.

Cloweverload

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

so we waste a buy out on him? instead of using it on a train or salvador thus creating that open slot for larrson to come in? good to know

you can buy out anyone at any time. we have 1 more compliance buyout left.

and what makes you think that they are going to buy either of those other 2 guys out? Salvador DEFINITELY should be, but he won't.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Cloweverload

what the hell lol edited

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

so we waste a buy out on him? instead of using it on a train or salvador thus creating that open slot for larrson to come in? good to know

Sal becomes easier to trade (again, assuming Lou wants to) as an expiring contract. Same with Ruutu even if he blows.

Our situation really isn't all that dire. We have the cap to improve and a means to get out of messy contracts. And that's a testament to Lou's patience because he could have burned that compliance on a number of occasions (on Volch most recently).

 

[MartyOwns]

to be honest with you they are the exact same.


this trade isn't going to help us make the playoffs. its not going to cost us the playoffs. if lou dealt loki for a 3rd round pick. it wouldn't cost us the playoffs. if lou got rutuu for a 20th round pick it wouldn't get us into the playoffs.

the problem with this deal is having this bum for 2 more years and giving up a possible pick.

the fact that carolina was willing to deal him to a division rival fighting for a playoff spot says a lot about what they think of the guy. everyone says that rutuu is a great player in a tight playoff race or in the playoffs against teams like the flyers bruins. guess what.....the canes are in the exact same situation as us! your telling me they dont need a guy like rutuu in those same games?

there could be a myriad of reasons why Carolina let him go. are you saying valuable players don't get moved on deadline day?

and you don't think ruutu isn't going to help get us into the playoffs. so he's going to hinder us? will that possible (POSSIBLE) 3rd rounder help us get into the playoffs? how about loki? you say you want short term success with a long term rebuild, with draft picks? that isn't going to happen either

 

[NJ CUP*]

you can buy out anyone at any time. we have 1 more compliance buyout left.

and what makes you think that they are going to buy either of those other 2 guys out? Salvador DEFINITELY should be, but he won't.

either one of them should be bought out of traded. will they? probably not. but even if rutuu should be bought out he probably won't either so there goes that argument someone brought up

 

[NJDevilsZG]

IDK if it was discussed before, but I'm betting my left pinky that conditioned pick is safety net for Carolina, if Lokti bolts to KHL after season. Remember, he's RFA, so they could be counting on resigning him for cheap. We send them pick if he opts to go after money ...
This pretty much explains why Lou doesn't want it disclosed. It'd be bad business to label Lokti a flight-risk in advance, when he passed on $3M to come here in the first place.

 

[MichaelJ]

I don't see Sal being bought out at his salary and with one year left. He could just be dealt for a low pick to a team desperate for a veteran defenseman.

 

[SeidoN]

IDK if it was discussed before, but I'm betting my left pinky that conditioned pick is safety net for Carolina, if Lokti bolts to KHL after season. Remember, he's RFA, so they could be counting on resigning him for cheap. We send them pick if he opts to go after money ...

I think that sounds about right. would also explain why Lou is cagey to discuss the condition

 

[MartyOwns]

either one of them should be bought out of traded. will they? probably not. but even if rutuu should be bought out he probably won't either so there goes that argument someone brought up

I'd bet my tomato juice covered balls that Lou hasn't considered buying out ruutu. who in their right mind would, without seeing him PLAY 1 GAME?

 

[njdevil26]

Here is what I would do, at least to start:

Clowe-Zajac-Jagr
Ruutu-Elias-Henrique
Ryder-Josefson-Brunner
Zubrus-Carter-Bernier

but we all know that is not going to happen.

Ryder is not a left winger. We know from Kovalchuk that they don't want to use a guy on his off wing.

 

[MichaelJ]

I wouldn't call Ruutu part of the core but with him, Clowe, and Zubrus the Devils have some mid-line bullies with some skill. Still need to add a scorer or two.