Rumor: Rutherford re-iterates that Canucks want picks or young players. Halak available?

[UrbanImpact]

Well for teams up against the cap, that 1.5M next year is a pretty big deal. I assume there is an actual dollar value bonus that would need to be paid out as well, not just in cap, which could make it harder for teams looking at stability in a backup to make that move.

Dont think the 1.5 mil is that big of a deal frankly to the Canucks. They will have 13 mil cap space next year with only Boeser really to sign.

I'm sure if the return is enough, they will gladly start Halak 2 more times and eat up the cap space incentive next year and pay the bonuses and trade him by the deadline for those that can use Halak this season.

 

[Breakers]

Foligno was a pending UFA and didn't suck. Pearson and Poolman both have term and both suck.

Again, Benning got fired for handing out a ton of bad contracts and basically running the Canucks into the ground. Why would any of his bad contracts he handed out have any value? He did such a bad job that he got fired, but somehow the acquisitions he made and the contracts he handed out that greatly led to his firing still have value?

foligno sucks now, and he did last year

 

[Goalie_Bob]

How does this incentive work for other teams? If someone trades for Halak and plays him two more games, will that team then get the 1.5M penalty next year?

Yes. Which means if the Canucks want to trade him for maximum value they need to play him 2 more games and then they will have it on their cap next season. Looking on Capfriendly, the bonus for ten games is 1.25mil.

He also has a 250k bonus for a minimum .905 sv%. Thus wherever he ends up, that team will have a 250k cap hit next season for the bonus.

 

[Buck Dancer]

Don't know if that get's it done but I'd take Boeser and Halak off your hands for something like Ty Smith + prospect + mid round pick.

The Devils desperatly need a shooter and a backup goalie since everyone we sign seems to get career ending injuries (Crawford and now Bernier). Blackwood needs to have a legit backup because his play has been pretty weak so far this year. As for Ty Smith, he's left handed and plays the left side with us but has played the right side his entire career in the WHL.

Flame away.

 

[JKG33]

Miller and to a lesser extent Halak should be very enticing to a team that wants to be a contender, especially if they retain on Miller.

I could see Colorado, Edmonton, NY Rangers, Pittsburgh and Toronto being interested in both.

However if I'm the Canucks, I'd keep both Boeser and re-sign Miller (if possible) and trade Petterson for a high end RD.

 

[StreetHawk]

Halak, what is the rules regarding how his performance bonus will be applied to the 2 teams should he get traded prior to achieving them with the first team but achieves them later with the second team?

due a $1.5 mill Bonus if he plays in 10 games with a 0.905 sv%. Currently at 7 appearances with 6 starts and his sv% exactly 0.905.

say he plays 9 with the Canucks and another 9 with team 2. So technically didn’t achieve the 10 games with 1 single team.

 

[nergish]

Lol, I would not say Halak has been "outstanding".

His professionalism is "outstanding", but he's been admirably serviceable at most.
Of course he's available....

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Just wait till the boys get thumped on the road trip.

Everyone and their dog will suddenly be available if:

 

[UrbanImpact]

Don't know if that get's it done but I'd take Boeser and Halak off your hands for something like Ty Smith + prospect + mid round pick.

The Devils desperatly need a shooter and a backup goalie since everyone we sign seems to get career ending injuries (Crawford and now Bernier). Blackwood needs to have a legit backup because his play has been pretty weak so far this year. As for Ty Smith, he's left handed and plays the left side with us but has played the right side his entire career in the WHL.

Flame away.

No way the Canucks trade Boeser with the main piece returning as Ty Smith.

Smith wouldnt get any PP time and would be behind Hughes and OEL on the depth chart.

We already have Jack Rathbone who plays a similar game to Smith that we are marinating in the AHL and will fill that 3rd LD spot.

I dont think Smith has been impressive at all this year either to be able to return a player like Boeser.

Would rather trade for NJD's first, lottery protected of course than get Smith as the return.

 

[66-30-33]

Halak to Pens hopefully, we need a better goalie then DeSmith. Add JT.Miller in with Halak. If Canucks are sellers maybe some retention on Miller.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Halak to Pens hopefully, we need a better goalie then DeSmith. Add JT.Miller in with Halak. If Canucks are sellers maybe some retention on Miller.

Pittsburg and Vancouver are not good trading partners unless you want to lose your next three 1st rounders in a Miller trade. I’m sure Miller would love to go home but with the way the Pens are playing and adding Miller would probably put all three picks in the 25+ range. Hence 3 first round picks not two.

 

[Buck Dancer]

No way the Canucks trade Boeser with the main piece returning as Ty Smith.

Smith wouldnt get any PP time and would be behind Hughes and OEL on the depth chart.

We already have Jack Rathbone who plays a similar game to Smith that we are marinating in the AHL and will fill that 3rd LD spot.

I dont think Smith has been impressive at all this year either to be able to return a player like Boeser.

Would rather trade for NJD's first, lottery protected of course than get Smith as the return.

I get that, I was just responding to the guy who said he was looking for a young dman and you’re right, Smith has struggled so far this year but sophomore slumps happens to the the best of them. His hockey IQ didn’t go away overnight but I get your point.

I would absolutely deal our 1st for a guy like Boeser. I think we’re at a point now where we need to surround our 3 centers and adding more picks, that will help us in 2 or 3 years, isn’t ideal for us atm. We’d be wasting the early years of Nico and Jack’s contracts, so yeah… Boeser for our 1st is definitely something I’d do.

 

[crowi]

This is refreshing.

Jim Benning:

"Ummm yeah we are going to evaluate come trade deadline umm if we think were in a position for the playoffs umm we'll make the right moves"

That management group lived in the day and will forever be remembered as incoherent jackasses, not to mention those who supported them.

On-topic, Halak is not worth much, does the bonus structure move to the new team's responsibility if traded? If so, he is worth even less if possible.

 

[Canuck86]

trade Halak to the Coilers for a 3rd/4th round pick, Halak immediately becomes Edm #1G

 

[66-30-33]

Pittsburg and Vancouver are not good trading partners unless you want to lose your next three 1st rounders in a Miller trade. I’m sure Miller would love to go home but with the way the Pens are playing and adding Miller would probably put all three picks in the 25+ range. Hence 3 first round picks not two.

How is Miller getting 3 1st rounders? I'm confused...

 

[DeltaSwede]

Lol, I would not say Halak has been "outstanding".

His professionalism is "outstanding", but he's been admirably serviceable at most.
Of course he's available....

Are we basing this on being shelled in front of that god awful team at the start of the season or the games that he has stolen for us lately?

Halak carries value around the NHL, no doubt about it.

 

[DeltaSwede]

I get that, I was just responding to the guy who said he was looking for a young dman and you’re right, Smith has struggled so far this year but sophomore slumps happens to the the best of them. His hockey IQ didn’t go away overnight but I get your point.

I would absolutely deal our 1st for a guy like Boeser. I think we’re at a point now where we need to surround our 3 centers and adding more picks, that will help us in 2 or 3 years, isn’t ideal for us atm. We’d be wasting the early years of Nico and Jack’s contracts, so yeah… Boeser for our 1st is definitely something I’d do.

Like the other poster said Smith doesn't make much sense for Vancouver. Love the player just not the right situation.

If Boeser is moved (I hope not) it would probably be to a different team that could offer a better fitting package.

If I were Vancouver I'd be asking for Alex Holtz to be included. Not sure if the Devils would have any appetite for that.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

How is Miller getting 3 1st rounders? I'm confused...

I think he meant to say 4 1st round picks

 

[JAK]

I think he meant to say 4 1st round picks

Let's make it 5!!

 

[Cogburn]

Halak to Pens hopefully, we need a better goalie then DeSmith. Add JT.Miller in with Halak. If Canucks are sellers maybe some retention on Miller.

So what does Pittsburgh have for Halak and a retained Miller? I haven't like most offers from the Pens so far.

 

[Cogburn]

Let's make it 5!!

Too easy, do I hear six?

 

[lawrence]

This probably means he’s been getting a lot of calls, and now he wants to tell everyone what he wants via a media interview

 

[nergish]

Are we basing this on being shelled in front of that god awful team at the start of the season or the games that he has stolen for us lately?

Halak carries value around the NHL, no doubt about it.

Uh, both I guess? Would you really characterize his season as "outstanding"?
I don't think he was brought in to be so.

But absolutely I agree he has value, and it would be a terrific start to Rutherford's tenure to actually get value back in this fashion.

 

[elitepete]

In Rutherford's interview with The Province yesterday, he mentions again that despite the winning streak, The Canucks are not looking to mortgage the future to add any players. Any additions will be for draft picks or young players that can help the team win in the next year or 2.

Canucks: Jim Rutherford ready to get aggressive | The Province

“How we’ll look at this in the future is we won’t trade high picks. Anytime we’re making a deal it’s for younger players and we’ll try to bring this team, really make it stronger over the next couple of years, to where it can start to be a regular playoff team.”

- Rutherford

Another side note, Halak's name has been mentioned as possible trade bait. If Halak starts another 2 games for the Canucks, then it will cost the Canucks 1.5 in cap space next year due to bonus incentive. Halak is a free agent after this season and has been outstanding for the Canucks.

It sounds like Rutherford isnt letting the winning streak fool him. He knows the Canucks have a lot of holes and wants to adress those holes with draft picks/ young players that can grow with the core.

To me it sounds like he is willing to be a seller.

Some names that could be moved if thats the case.

Boeser
Pearson
Motte
Halak
Hamonic
Poolman

JT Miller to a lesser extent and it would have to be a massive payment and return for the Canucks for them to move a player like Miller. Only reason I can see Miller moving is its an offer that Rutherford cant refuse and the fact that Miller will be 30 yrs old when he becomes a UFA after next season and will probably demand a contract that will be be over 5+ years in length.


Any draft picks available?

Any young players available that a "win now" team is willing to move. Particularly a young Right Shot D man or young Right Shot C.

Miller is much more likely to be moved than Boeser. UFA in 1.5 years when he will be 30, and will want a big contract. Makes much more sense to trade him.

 

[elitepete]

I don't understand why so many Canucks fans on the main boards seem to think that anyone is trading pieces of value for the awful contracts Benning handed out.

Boeser has legit value, and I imagine that Hamonic would bring back something decent if he comes back healthy soon. But the rest of them? Nobody is taking on the contracts for guys like Pearson and Poolman, let alone trading a young NHLer to do so.

Edit: oh wait, Hamonic's contract runs through next year as well, I thought he was a pending UFA. I think that probably hurts his market.

Canucks will likely be able to get mid to late round picks for players like Motte, Halak, Hamonic (1 more year but has a fair contract, and the type of depth d that contenders go after), Schenn, Dickinson, Burroughs, etc.

I don't think anyone will want Pearson or Poolmans contracts, but we are obviously open to trading them if someone is dumb enough to take them.

Miller should get us a big return if we trade him.