Russia is the weakest team in the top 6 NT?

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Do you even realize that what you are saying makes no sense at all? Do you understand that when you say "Russia's depth is poor enough so that Anisimov and Kulemin are able to make a best on best roster has nothing to do with the advantage that Russia gets at the World Championship every year" is totally nonsensical? Its really a weak excuse, and a really pathetic attempt to make an indefensible point , to say that, in effect, "yes, you had Anisimov and Kulemin and Tikhonov and Shipachyov and Dadonov and Panarin and Zaripov and Kovalchuk and and Plotnikov and Mozyakin at forward, and, you had Belov and Kulikov and Chudinov and Mironov and Yakovlev and Mironov and Antipin on defense, and that represents a huge roster advantage over teams like Canada that just have a lot of "B" team NHL players.

As far as I can tell, you are literally the only poster on this website who doesn't even understand the argument. Some disagree, but you seem to lack the ability to actually comprehend it. The "advantage" that Russia has is that it gets a better percentage of its best players than other countries do. Most times it is a significantly higher percentage. Again, for emphasis:

The "advantage" that Russia has is that it gets a larger percentage of its best players than other countries do.

That has nothing to do with how good or bad those players are. No reasonable person complains that Russia's players are too good, which seems to be what you think people are saying.

Which of the players that I have listed do or would rank in the top 10 in the NHL at their position? And, if they don't rank in the top 10, explain why you judge their presence to represent a "huge roster advantage" over the rest of the World? Keep in mind, this roster finished in 3rd place in their preliminary round group behind the United States and Finland, and through sheer guts and determination advanced to the Gold Medal game. If your response is that they had Malkin and Tarasenko, and Ovechkin for the last 2 games (less than 30 hours after he skated off the ice from Game 7 of a Stanley Cup semifinal series), that's a really sorry excuse to explain why Canada doesn't win the WC every single year, which should be a minimum expectation.

Once again: The "advantage" that Russia has is that it gets a larger percentage of its best players than other countries do.

Your insistence on missing the point is admirable though. I also admire how you laud the sheer guts and determination of the Russian team, featuring 10 recent Olympians including its best three forwards and best goaltender. No other top country had a roster featuring that large a percentage of its top players (USA for instance had exactly 1 Olympian). Your inability to see that is baffling.

Of course I agree with your point here, but why do you keep saying that Russia's successes in other venues (WC, WJC) must be discounted because they haven't done well in the Olympic Games of late? That is inconsistent with your correct point that the Olympic Games produce a result but don't prove anything? For example, since the NHL started coming to the Olympics, Russia and Canada have only met twice in 5 Olympics, and are tied 1-1. This is hardly an adequate sample size to match up the 2 teams.

The comparisons don't make sense. I certainly wouldn't regard World Championship results as indicative of anything, considering the vastly different level of commitment that different countries show toward the tournament. If the Russian team with 10 Olympic players beats the American team with literally 1 Olympian, it goes without saying that nothing is proven. WJC results haven't historically been very indicative of results at the top level, but they do show some trends at least.
 
At first this "Radulov, ooh, my love!" stuff was cute but now it's gone a little too far.

The leading PPG player in the Sochi games, the leading goalscorer in the tournament and the leading point scorer after the group stage was MICHAEL GRABNER! You tell me, how many of ya'll Russians think that the best offensive forward in the world is MICHAEL GRABNER! A big fat ZERO people think MICHAEL GRABNER is the best forward in the world. Other than a few games under a coach who had no idea how to allocate ice time, you have no reason to believe that Malkin and Ovechkin are actually worse than Radulov AND EVEN IF YOU DID HAVE EVIDENCE, it wouldn't matter because no one can say with any sort of assurance that Malkin and Ovechkin are better than Benn either. No one includes statistics (Benn is leading both in scoring) by the way which you Radulov enthusiasts don't seem to be trying to use many of, like PPG, and ART ROSS TROPHIES.

Also there is no conclusive evidence to suggest that Radulov would be the Art Ross trophy winner either. Take a BEST CASE EXAMPLE, Artemi Panarin, who scored 62 points in 54 KHL games last season and 47 in 54 NHL games so far, clips of 1.148 and .8703 so if we do the math he's scoring .7581 of what he scored in the KHL, translate Radulov's statistics right now in the KHL he has a 1.24 clip to Panarin's standard of NHL stats he would have 50.76 or roughly translated to 51 points. That puts him 23 points off the Art Ross trophy leader, 7 points of JAMIE BENN, and in 7th place behind Joe Pavelski who has a solid 51 points in points scored. AND THAT'S A BEST CASE SCENARIO. As I mentioned earlier, Steve Moses was almost PPG in the KHL with 57 points in 60 games, and has 14 in 17 this year after returning from a stint with the AHL in which he scored 7 WHOLE POINTS in 16 games. You have NO IDEA Radulov will be an Artemi Panarin, he could just as easily be a Steve Moses. When in the NHL in the past Radulov wasn't anywhere NEAR PPG except in his last season a short 9 game stint with the Preds he scored 7 points so with a tiny sample size he had a .777 clip that would put him at 42 points on the season so far which is WAY DOWN THERE on the list of scoring leaders. The KHL isn't only not on par with the NHL, look at Steven Siego from Riga, he scored 14 points in 53 games in Liiga last year or a .264 clip, this year with Riga he has 19 points in 51 games which is a .372 clip, which is more than a 10 percent increase in scoring. Look at Pekka Jormukka, 25 in 59 last year in Liiga, 30 in 52 this year for Jokerit, .424 and .576 in other words more than a 15 percent increase from going to the KHL from Liiga. Many times when a player goes from the NHL to the KHL it looks something like Brandon Kozun, 4 points in 20 NHL games, .200 clip, 42 points in 53 games, .792 clip. Peter Regin is one of many players doing significantly better in the KHL than the AHL. Maybe some here don't watch KHL so they don't know, I doubt Canadians do but I watch most Riga games, and the teams towards the bottom of the table are downright awful, and they don't provide competition not only for top KHL teams but also probably for top MHL teams. All this to say, Radulov has a cute beard, he's got a nasty little grin, and I wouldn't mind seeing him in the NHL some day but I won't let my feelings or whatever get in the way of objectively seeing that Radulov is not better than last year's Art Ross Trophy winner and probably not one of the top 6 forwards in the world.

What, How you can combare Radulov to Moses? I think you have to wach some KHL game.:laugh:
 
Radulov is an excellent player, but comparing him to Jamie Benn is going too far.
 
Still, put Radulov on a line with Seguin and he will produce similar numbers to Benn at least.

Good argument. I have one too. Put Radulov with Crosby and he may produce similar numbers as Kunitz.
 
Wow, that's pure ignorance right here. Couldn't it be just because there is like 14 times more Russians than Czechs? Less talented... meh.
And what is not true about that? That they have X times more players makes it not true? I guess Switzerland is not less talented than Canada because the population of the whole country is like population of Toronto area.

But, don't get me wrong, I like Czech hockey quite a bit. But when comparing the roster, the Czech team is two steps below at every position.
 
They have been better this decade

Its been very close at best for Russia and that is with Canada routinely missing their best players and the worst stretch of WJHC finishes for Canada since 1982.

Do you really think that Canada would have been 6th this year if they were able to McDavid, Ekblad, Bennett and Fabbri?

McDavid and Ekblad would have been the best two players in the tournament and Bennett and Fabbri in the 2nd tier with Eichel/Matthews.

Canada has won more golds than Russia/Soviet Union and that is giving Russia the 4 golds they won before Canada sent all-star teams. Since 1982 Canada has won 16 Golds to Russia's 9. That's not really even close.

Canada just came off a 17 year stretch of making the SF's. That's incredible.

Yes Russia has been good but even in your last decade comment Canada has 3 golds to Russia's 1.

So you could try to argue that Russia has been better than Canada at the WJHC but you would be wrong and it really isn't even that close unless you ignore all the facts, and even then Canada has been better.
 
They have obvious flaws such as their recent inability to produce elite defenders (the last truly elite Russian D was Zubov, both Gonchar and Markov are borderline). But I'd for sure take the Russians over the Czech's and they seem to have more talent than the Finns but the Finns seem to always overachieve what they look like on paper, recently at the expense of Russia (2006 Olympics and 2014). Canada's team usually is stronger than everyone on paper, talent wise I'd say Russia is on par with Sweden and the USA, but their talent seems to be more equally distributed between Forwards and Defense which leads to better teams.

Markov in his prime was definitely an elite dman. Problem is his prime was cut short by 2 long term knee injuries
 
Canada would still win like 60% of WJC if it would have all its best player's... well Canada> Russia is about as big difference as Russia> Czech. About 3-5 Russians would make team Canada A and about 5 Czechs would make team Russia. Then Czech has more NHL players than Russia so when looking at depth it actually makes Czech look better compared to Russia than just A team. If you take 50 best players from Russia and 50 From Czech players 25-50 in depth chart they aren't that different from each other eventough Russia has edge in top end talent forwards not SO much in depth
 
Forwards:
Russia
Canada
Sweden
USA
Finland


Defencemen:
Sweden
Canada
USA
Finland
Russia


Coaching:
Finland
USA
Canada
Sweden
Russia


Team effort/over-achieving:

Finland
..........
..........
..........
USA
Canada
Russia/Sweden


Goalies:
Canada
Sweden/Finland
USA
Russia


Something like that?
 
Forwards:
Russia
Canada
Sweden
USA
Finland


Defencemen:
Sweden
Canada
USA
Finland
Russia


Coaching:
Finland
USA
Canada
Sweden
Russia


Team effort/over-achieving:

Finland
..........
..........
..........
USA
Canada
Russia/Sweden




Goalies:
Canada
Sweden/Finland
USA
Russia


Something like that?

Canada EASILY has the best overall D arguably the best forwards and without question the best coaching considering we got Babcock AND Coach Q
 
Canada EASILY has the best overall D arguably the best forwards and without question the best coaching considering we got Babcock AND Coach Q

Ya I am not sure how Canada isn't first in all 3 of those categories, coaching especially isn't even close.

Canada has the best high forwards and defense with the best depth as well so not sure why they would be 2nd in either category.
 
Mozyakin, Anisimov, Shipachov, and Kulemin >> Toews, Bergeron, Giroux, and Perry

OEL-Karlsson > Keith-Weber
Hedman-Stralman > Vlasic - Doughty
Hjalmarsson-Klingberg >> Giordano-Subban
Edler >>> Pietrangelo

I wonder if this is what people want to hear, in order to not be "cocky".
 
Mozyakin, Anisimov, Shipachov, and Kulemin >> Toews, Bergeron, Giroux, and Perry

OEL-Karlsson > Keith-Weber
Hedman-Stralman > Vlasic - Doughty
Hjalmarsson-Klingberg >> Giordano-Subban
Edler >>> Pietrangelo

I wonder if this is what people want to hear, in order to not be "cocky".

Mozyakin better Perry
 

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