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True Hockey Fan said:
Even when you want to win?
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ok any day of the week is kinda ridiculous.

I'll go with tuesday's, thursday's friday's and saturday's.

But yeah I mean Ovechkin, Malkin, and Tarasenko is simply a top 3 that cannot be matched by any national club.
 
Balance said:
ok any day of the week is kinda ridiculous.

I'll go with tuesday's, thursday's friday's and saturday's.

But yeah I mean Ovechkin, Malkin, and Tarasenko is simply a top 3 that cannot be matched by any national club.
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Canada can match that, and beat them on down the line from lines 2 to 4.

Canada has the best offense, I don't think there is much question about it actually.
 
Balance said:
ok any day of the week is kinda ridiculous.

I'll go with tuesday's, thursday's friday's and saturday's.

But yeah I mean Ovechkin, Malkin, and Tarasenko is simply a top 3 that cannot be matched by any national club.
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Sid, JT Stamkos

Done
 
SMantzas said:
In 4 years, Datsyuk, Radulov, Malkin and Kovalchuk will be gone or much less effective. Who are you gonna fill in those top 2 center spots?
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Two of the players you have mentioned are wingers. And one of them is already finished - Kovalchuk.

Datsyuk will be gone. Malkin, not yet.

For the future I see Kuznetsov and Kamenev as being the best young pivots.
 
Yakushev72 said:
I think you missed the point of what Fantomas is saying. Russia has produced far more depth in recent years than when guys like Datsyuk and Kovalchuk came up. There were a few individual stars, but no depth at all, which explains why, with the obvious talent and skill of the guys that you mentioned, there was nothing to show for it in the way of Olympic medals.

If you look at this decade (2011-20), Russia has been the best nation at the WJC for the last 6 years. Check the record. Good players are beginning to stack up more than in the past, and Fantomas is right - in 4 years, they will put a team on the ice that is likely to be a strong contender for a medal.
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Yes. The future looks good, but patience.
 
jj cale said:
Canada can match that, and beat them on down the line from lines 2 to 4.

Canada has the best offense, I don't think there is much question about it actually.
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You sure? You then Got Kuznetsov, Kucherov, Kovalchuk, Panarin, and Radulov...

I just think Canada doesn't have the names to match that.
 
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Balance said:
You sure? You then Got Kuznetsov, Kucherov, Kovalchuk, Panarin, and Radulov...

I just think Canada doesn't have the names to match that.
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Am I sure?.

Like 100% sure.

Russia can simply not match the 4 lines and the variety of danger those lines throw at you that Canada has.

They come the closest, that I will give you, but alas, they still fall short.

I thought this was common knowledge stuff actually.
 
jj cale said:
Am I sure?.

Like 100% sure.

Russia can simply not match the 4 lines and the variety of danger those lines throw at you that Canada has.

They come the closest, that I will give you, but alas, they still fall short.

I thought this was common knowledge stuff actually.
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The common knowledge is that offensively Russia is better than Canada and it's been proven by all the WJC's that Russia has been and the core from those WJC teams. Along with the fact that when I compare Russian players individually to Canada Russia has the edge.
 
Balance said:
The common knowledge is that offensively Russia is better than Canada and it's been proven by all the WJC's that Russia has been and the core from those WJC teams. Along with the fact that when I compare Russian players individually to Canada Russia has the edge.
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Russia appears to be better offensively, as they play a very offense heavy system. Canada has always played a strong two-way game.

I would say that Russia definitely has the most talented goal scorers though. Canada seems to lack those types.
 
Balance said:
The common knowledge is that offensively Russia is better than Canada and it's been proven by all the WJC's that Russia has been and the core from those WJC teams. Along with the fact that when I compare Russian players individually to Canada Russia has the edge.
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WjC's?

This has what to do with the players each team can roll offensively on a senior team now?

There is simply nothing to bear out what you are saying, for every malkin you can name I can name a crosby or Seguin, for every tarasenko and ovechkin I can name a hall and benn, Giroux, I can go on.

I'm sorry, they don't have any edge, none at all.

What junior players they have or may have matters not at all right now.

You saw the offensive dismantle job performed by an offensively loaded Canadian team against Russia at a far more telling event of senior mens strength just this past WHC, i mean it was an offensive clinic. And you think the juniors is some way indicative of Russian offensive power?

I'm not sure if you are serious here, I feel you just can't be.
 
jj cale said:
WjC's?

This has what to do with the players each team can roll offensively on a senior team now?

There is simply nothing to bear out what you are saying, for every malkin you can name I can name a crosby or Seguin, for every tarasenko and ovechkin I can name a hall and benn, Giroux, I can go on.

I'm sorry, they don't have any edge, none at all.

What junior players they have or may have matters not at all right now.

You saw the offensive dismantle job performed by an offensively loaded Canadian team against Russia at a far more telling event of senior mens strength just this past WHC, i mean it was an offensive clinic. And you think the juniors is some way indicative of Russian offensive power?

I'm not sure if you are serious here, I feel you just can't be.
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The problem with your assessment is you are not comparing comparable players. Malkin and Ovechkin are better than anyone on Canada. Canada is just one tier below on the offense and they need to depend on their defense to win the trophy.

They don't have the depth that Russia has.

I think you're trying to not be serious here or you've been deluded by the Canadian media. I prefer the latter option, and it's sad. Canadiens can't just admit Russia is better offensively and has been historically besides a few years. Canadian hockey has only been more succesful because of defense and getting the home advantage usually. That is without including when the Soviets dominated hockey for such a long period of time as well.
 
Balance said:
The problem with your assessment is you are not comparing comparable players. Malkin and Ovechkin are better than anyone on Canada. Canada is just one tier below on the offense and they need to depend on their defense to win the trophy.

They don't have the depth that Russia has.

I think you're trying to not be serious here or you've been deluded by the Canadian media. I prefer the latter option, and it's sad. Canadiens can't just admit Russia is better offensively and has been historically besides a few years. Canadian hockey has only been more succesful because of defense and getting the home advantage usually. That is without including when the Soviets dominated hockey for such a long period of time as well.
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are these the same Malkin and Ovechkin that got rag dolled by these so called non comparable players Crosby,Giroux,Seguin and the like at last years WHC?

Do you not recall them spinning and passing circles around them in an offensive clinic while going on to trounce malkin,Ovechkin and company 6-1?

Everybody else recalls it, it wasn't very long ago.

Now I know you're not serious.

Thank you for clearing that up with razor sharp clarity.
 
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jj cale said:
are these the same Malkin and Ovechkin that got rag dolled by these so called non comparable players Crosby,Giroux,Seguin and the like at last years WHC?

Do you not recall them spinning and passing circles around them in an offensive clinic while going on to trounce malkin,Ovechkin and company 6-1?

Everybody else recalls it, it wasn't very long ago.

Now I know you're not serious.

Thank you for clearing that up with razor sharp clarity.
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Doubt it considering all the players from the WJC Russian team that have tooled Canada for years are coming back.

Beyond that those Russian players tooled Canada multiple times in lieu to multiple world championship wins.

Get the facts, Canada doesn't "dominate" hockey. They never really did, had a hot run when The Soviet Union started fizzling and when hockey has gotten popular again their junior teams haven't done anything worthwhile (not even passing the Quarter-finals this year)
 
Ovechkin better than anyone on team Canada ;DDD okay... not even ppg player bad defensively no any use for Canada's A roster. Russia better forwards than Canada? yeah right maybe 2-3 players from Russia would make Canada's roster Canada has like atleast 5x more good hockey players than Russia i would say 6-8x. And Russia's good succees in WJC's is not because of good talent they'r player material have been very mediocre there... They have had good goaltending and team play but theyr inviduals werent any better in last WJC's than lets say Czech republic.
 
Balance said:
Doubt it considering all the players from the WJC Russian team that have tooled Canada for years are coming back.

Beyond that those Russian players tooled Canada multiple times in lieu to multiple world championship wins.

Get the facts, Canada doesn't "dominate" hockey. They never really did, had a hot run when The Soviet Union started fizzling and when hockey has gotten popular again their junior teams haven't done anything worthwhile (not even passing the Quarter-finals this year)
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I'm not going into the junior stuff again, that is nonsensical drivel concerning this subject.

As for This super powered offensive Russian team team that no one can match,might you be able to get them to show their true greatness at an olympics sometime soon? You would think they could outscore everyone on their way to a gold medal, or at least to a bronze. somehow, this unstoppable russian force can't seem to do that, even when the games are at home.

I've never seen a team pumped up so much by one person that has done so little.

it's also strange how the team you said can't match russia offensively can do it twice in a row however, and one of them right on Russian soil on the big ice at that.

Very strange indeed.
 
jj cale said:
I'm not going into the junior stuff again, that is nonsensical drivel concerning this subject.

As for This super powered offensive Russian team team that no one can match,might you be able to get them to show their true greatness at an olympics sometime soon? You would think they could outscore everyone on their way to a gold medal, or at least to a bronze. somehow, this unstoppable russian force can't seem to do that, even when the games are at home.

I've never seen a team pumped up so much by one person that has done so little.

it's also strange how the team you said can't match russia offensively can do it twice in a row however, and one of them right on Russian soil on the big ice at that.

Very strange indeed.
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Where do you think Senior players come from? The core of Canada's Olympic teams in 2010 and 2014 were their World Junior team in 2005. Check the lineup to verify.
 
Yakushev72 said:
Where do you think Senior players come from? The core of Canada's Olympic teams in 2010 and 2014 were their World Junior team in 2005. Check the lineup to verify.
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That team was a rarity cause of the lockout, Canada is consistently missing top talent though due to their best players in the NHL, no team is missing top players more often then us. Just this year we were missing McDavid, Ekblad, Bennett, and Fabbri, the only team missing close to that talent on a regular basis is the USA. When was the last time Russia didn't have there top 19 year olds?
 
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