GDT: RUS-CZE,GER-ITA @ 09:15AM EST ,BLR-SVK,CAN-LAT @ 1:15 PM EST

[TheUnseenHand]

True but Sharangovich was malding the entire game tbh

I don't even disagree with the sentiment. I just find the hypocrisy amusing.

 

[Ben Grimm]

I don't drink or use drugs, but I think I read Latvia beat Canada!?!

 

[Peiskos]

I don't drink or use drugs, but I think I read Latvia beat Canada!?!

This is our roster this year...I wouldn't look too into it.

 

[Albatros]

Latvia has a player from Sweden's third tier amateur league.

 

[Old Man Jags]

I wish IIHF had more relaxed rules and regulations about national team representation like football does. Canadian and American kids who are not good enough to represent Canada or USA could have option to represent Italy, Czech Republic, Germany, Slovakia, Ukraine, etc through grandparents citizenship.

That is an absolutely terrible idea. A national team should represent its nation, not have foreigners in it who have never lived there and may not even ideal the language. Completely fine of course for someone who is foreign but grew up in the country and played hockey there to get citizenship and play, but just parachuting in foreigners because a grandparent was from the country - and thereby take away the experience to play at a World Championship from a player who has grown up through the system? No way. Very bad for the development of the players of whichever country would use the kind of approach you are proposing.

 

[LKI]

This is our roster this year...I wouldn't look too into it.

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I wonder how many Latvians could POSSIBLY be selected for this Canada team and how many Canadians would NOT be 1-2 liners in Latvian team...
From Latvian standpoint Canadian team looks amazing on paper. That said 1-2 loss against Canada in Sochi Olympics feels like significantly bigger achievement than latest victory, not because of the Canadian roster, more so there were no fans on stands to witness it.

 

[RorschachWJK]

I'm

I'm also assuming swedes have 1 or 2 best on best guys. They will be tough here though as they are always good.

Finland has zero best on best guys. Many declined.

 

[Namejs]

I wonder how many Latvians could POSSIBLY be selected for this Canada team and how many Canadians would NOT be 1-2 liners in Latvian team...
From Latvian standpoint Canadian team looks amazing on paper. That said 1-2 loss against Canada in Sochi Olympics feels like significantly bigger achievement than latest victory, not because of the Canadian roster, more so there were no fans on stands to witness it.

I literally did NHLe based research on this.

6 Latvian forwards would make the Canadian top 12. So the overlap in quality is pretty obvious.

And, yes, a few Canadians would also not make the Latvian top 6.

So their defeat is really not that huge of an upset. It's no miracle on ice.

 

[mattihp]

That is an absolutely terrible idea. A national team should represent its nation, not have foreigners in it who have never lived there and may not even ideal the language. Completely fine of course for someone who is foreign but grew up in the country and played hockey there to get citizenship and play, but just parachuting in foreigners because a grandparent was from the country - and thereby take away the experience to play at a World Championship from a player who has grown up through the system? No way. Very bad for the development of the players of whichever country would use the kind of approach you are proposing.

So true. It would be bizarre to have foreigners play on the team. That might be the next concept for the world cup though. Let's keep it there in the exhibition tournament. Zubrus played for Russia. Weird enough.

 

[Tuoppi]

Finland has zero best on best guys. Many declined.

So its a sure win for Finland again.

 

[Chimpradamus]

I'm

I'm also assuming swedes have 1 or 2 best on best guys. They will be tough here though as they are always good.

Nothing super exiting, but Sweden has at least Rakell (ANA) and Olofsson (BUF) who are both good shooters. No NHL goalie, no NHL defensemen, no NHL centers and two more NHL bottom liners (Kempe, Lundeström). Höglander (VAN) might join, but nothing is certain.

It's a quite weak team.

 

[LKI]

I literally did NHLe based research on this.

6 Latvian forwards would make the Canadian top 12. So the overlap in quality is pretty obvious.

And, yes, a few Canadians would also not make the Latvian top 6.

So their defeat is really not that huge of an upset. It's no miracle on ice.

Well, you in order to be selected for team Canada it is evident players have to play in NHL or have to be close to NHL level.
Now considering abilities of 6 Latvian forwards you mentioned, would they be able to outperform 6 out of 12 Canadian forwards on AHL/NHL level?
6 seems like a significant overestimate at best.

 

[Edenjung]

Are you Dutch? Or maybe Swedish? Herring salad in Finnish (sillisalaatti) - apart from the dish itself - ia a phrase that means a very confusing mix of different things

German.
But living in the netherlands, so not far fetched.

But we germans (especially the northern ones [altough i am from west germany]) like hering salad too.

 

[ThrashersfanSVK]

IIHF eligibility rules need to be amended. It makes zero sense that player who holds citizenship of one country since he was born (alongside with the citizenship of other country), cannot play for this country as he has never meet that 2-season-after-10th-birthday requirement despite having close ties to this country. However player who spent just two season in KHL playing for non-Russian team, can easily represent this non-Russian country as soon as he gain the citizenship of this country (which is most of the time piece of cake...).

 

[SoundAndFury]

IIHF eligibility rules need to be amended. It makes zero sense that player who holds citizenship of one country since he was born (alongside with the citizenship of other country), cannot play for this country as he has never meet that 2-season-after-10th-birthday requirement despite having close ties to this country.

Yeah, this can't be abused by just giving out citizenships like candy at all. Great idea. Man, Slovak fans really are on fire in that sense.

 

[ThrashersfanSVK]

Yeah, this can't be abused by just giving out citizenships like candy at all. Great idea. Man, Slovak fans really are on fire in that sense.

Huh? What you are talking about? Don't tell me that you don't see any difference between acquiring citizenship by birth and by naturalization process.

 

[Namejs]

Well, you in order to be selected for team Canada it is evident players have to play in NHL or have to be close to NHL level.
Now considering abilities of 6 Latvian forwards you mentioned, would they be able to outperform 6 out of 12 Canadian forwards on AHL/NHL level?
6 seems like a significant overestimate at best.

Henrique	31	NHL	82	42	0.512195	1	0.512195	NHL	71	43	0.605634	1	0.605634	NHL	45	21	0.466667	1	0.466667		0.212121	0.217172	0.106061	0.54
Daugavins	33	KHL	60	37	0.616667	0.72121951	0.433633	KHL	65	44	0.676923	0.72122	0.476005	KHL	58	49	0.844828	0.72122	0.609306		0.142175	0.169073	0.193113	0.50
Brown	27	NHL	89	30	0.337079	1	0.337079	NHL	71	43	0.605634	1	0.605634	NHL	56	35	0.625	1	0.625		0.138889	0.199074	0.162037	0.50
Pirri	30	NHL	32	18	0.5625	1	0.5625	AHL	38	35	0.921053	0.437602	0.403054	AHL	7	10	1.428571	0.437602	0.625145		0.233766	0.19891	0.056831	0.49
Danforth	28	Liiga	66	56	0.848485	0.41473984	0.3519	Liiga	56	60	1.071429	0.41474	0.444364	KHL	58	55	0.948276	0.72122	0.683915		0.12903	0.138247	0.220373	0.49
Comtois	22	AHL	16	10	0.625	0.43760163	0.280339	AHL	31	24	0.774194	0.437602	0.338788	NHL	55	33	0.6	1	0.6		0.043975	0.102965	0.323529	0.47
Indrasis	30	KHL	66	36	0.545455	0.72121951	0.393392	KHL	44	24	0.545455	0.72122	0.393392	KHL	49	39	0.795918	0.72122	0.574032		0.163295	0.108863	0.176903	0.45
Darzins	36	KHL	62	44	0.709677	0.72121951	0.493919	KHL	54	32	0.592593	0.72122	0.412431	KHL	41	23	0.560976	0.72122	0.404587		0.195051	0.141855	0.105656	0.44
Bunting	25	AHL	52	41	0.788462	0.43760163	0.345032	AHL	58	49	0.844828	0.437602	0.369698	NHL	21	13	0.619048	1	0.619048		0.136959	0.163683	0.099237	0.40
Abols	25	SHL	47	27	0.574468	0.6087122	0.349686	AHL	36	23	0.638889	0.437602	0.279579	SHL	56	45	0.803571	0.608712	0.489144		0.118239	0.072409	0.197065	0.39
Vilardi	21	AHL	4	1	0.25	0.43760163	0.112135	AHL	32	25	0.78125	0.437602	0.350423	NHL	54	23	0.425926	1	0.425926		0.004984	0.124595	0.255556	0.39
Paul	26	AHL	43	39	0.906977	0.43760163	0.396894	NHL	56	20	0.357143	1	0.357143	NHL	56	20	0.357143	1	0.357143		0.110106	0.129032	0.129032	0.37
Rob Bukarts	30	Extraliga CZE	51	26	0.509804	0.47947154	0.244436	Extraliga CZE	47	42	0.893617	0.479472	0.428464	KHL	25	14	0.56	0.72122	0.403883		0.101352	0.163722	0.08209	0.35
Karsums	35	KHL	62	28	0.451613	0.72121951	0.314312	KHL	58	23	0.396552	0.72122	0.278851	DEL	25	10	0.4	0.351548	0.140619		0.134396	0.11154	0.024245	0.27
Foudy	21	AHL	8	2	0.25	0.43760163	0.112135	NHL	36	7	0.194444	1	0.199306	AHL	12	16	1.333333	0.437602	0.583469		0.016019	0.128125	0.125029	0.27
Hagel	22	AHL	8	1	0.125	0.43760163	0.056068	AHL	59	31 [TBODY] [/TBODY]	0.525424	0.437602	0.229926	KHL	52	24	0.461538	0.72122	0.332871		0.003769	0.113997	0.145456	0.26
Kenins	30	NLA	51	35	0.686275	0.42620325	0.292492	NLA	44	20	0.454545	0.426203	0.193729	NLA	57	38	0.666667	0.426203	0.284136		0.098139	0.056079	0.106551	0.26
Dzierkals	24	KHL	42	13	0.309524	0.72121951	0.223235	Liiga	39	15	0.384615	0.41474	0.159515	KHL	52	24	0.461538	0.72122	0.332871		0.070495	0.046775	0.130145	0.25
Redlihs	36	KHL	57	23	0.403509	0.72121951	0.280833	KHL	62	19	0.306452	0.72122	0.213283	Latvia	18	27	1.5	0.125	0.1875		0.116843	0.096522	0.024635	0.24
Dzerins	33	KHL	62	23	0.370968	0.72121951	0.26086	KHL	52	11	0.211538	0.72122	0.148752	KHL	16	6	0.375	0.72122	0.270457		0.12441	0.059501	0.033287	0.22
Rih Bukarts	25	DEL	42	22	0.52381	0.35154751	0.184144	DEL	48	19	0.395833	0.351548	0.139154	KHL	33	17	0.515152	0.72122	0.371537		0.062878	0.054304	0.099681	0.22
Krastenbergs	22	ECHL	62	44	0.709677	0.25966667	0.188887	ECHL	52	30	0.576923	0.259667	0.149808	ICEHL	12	9	0.75	0.267	0.20025		0.092944	0.061825	0.019071	0.17

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[SoundAndFury]

Huh? What you are talking about? Don't tell me that you don't see any difference between acquiring citizenship by birth and by naturalization process.

And how do you legally separate citizenship "by birth" from any other kind?

 

[LKI]

Bunch of names and numbers that don't represent reality. In reality only Daugavins and Abols would have a slight chance.

 

[Namejs]

Bunch of names and numbers that don't represent reality. In reality only Daugavins and Abols would have a slight chance.

"Bunch of names and numbers" that are literally only based on reality and hard data. The issue here is that you're not letting reality sink in.

What is your opinion based on? A glorified, holy-grail impression of all things NHL? If a bum ever plays a game on an NHL side, he immediately becomes better than everyone in the KHL or SHL, right?

 

[SoundAndFury]

Bunch of names and numbers that don't represent reality. In reality only Daugavins and Abols would have a slight chance.

Indrasis as well probably but yeah Namejs is going way too hard for that NHLe stuff. I mean it doesn't take a genius to know Karsums is done, Darzins close to it and Bukarts is borderline useless against most opponents even by Latvian standards.

Also it's debatable how much this search for the all-defining magic number even fits the "hard data" definition.

 

[Namejs]

Indrasis as well probably but yeah Namejs is going way too hard for that NHLe stuff. I mean it doesn't take a genius to know Karsums is done, Darzins close to it and Bukarts is borderline useless against most opponents even by Latvian standards.

Are you willing to bet on this long-term? I will project the future production rates of select players in 21/22 based on NHLe, you have to name an acceptable margin of error.

Now, if you're saying that production rates as such are not a valid indicator of quality/talent, we're arriving at unfalsifiable-claims territory. And that is where any and all discussion becomes pointless, because you're just beginning to throw "he's better" vs. "no, he's not" type or arguments against each other like children.

 

[LKI]

"Bunch of names and numbers" that are literally only based on reality and hard data. The issue here is that you're not letting reality sink in.

What is your opinion based on? A glorified, holy-grail impression of all things NHL? If a bum ever plays a game on an NHL side, he immediately becomes better than everyone in the KHL or SHL, right?

Just like explained you before "Considering abilities of 6 Latvian forwards you mentioned" and common sense. You have to be literally on crack thinking 6 Latvian forwards would make it into Canadian team or even have a slight chance.

 

[Namejs]

Oh, and please note that you're implying that AHL-based kids with 30 points are better than players with NHL experience and AHL seasons with 70+ points on their resume. You're not saying they're about the same, you're saying they would not even fill their shoes. It doesn't sound very reasonable to me.

 

[Namejs]

Just like explained you before "Considering abilities of 6 Latvian forwards you mentioned" You have to be literally on crack thinking 6 Latvian forwards would make it into Canadian team or even have a slight chance.

It really does sound like you haven't even looked up the Canadian lineup. Or you're completely incompetent.