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[belair]

Two years of Kane at $5.25m for three more of Goodrow at $3.6m and one of Kakko at $2.4m. Add whatever sweetener it takes, but that helps fill out some of the bottom six depth we're likely to lose in the summer.

 

[belair]

Well, that Chatfield contract isn't overly promising for a potential Desharnais deal.

$3M per x 3 years.

Same age. Chatfield played about 30 seconds less per game. He did have 11 more points than Desh though.

Just give him more term. I think Desh is happy here. Offer him certainty and I don't think the extra ~$1m in AAV would bother him too much. He's a guy whose career ends abruptly if that contract goes south.

Good Lord Bob, it’s not even noon, it’s over 6 hours before puck drop and you’re already into the sauce talking about Josh Anderson.

Don't say you wouldn't love to have him in this series. Campbell on the other hand isn't even practicing with the big team.

 

[McDNicks17]

Just give him more term. I think Desh is happy here. Offer him certainty and I don't think the extra ~$1m in AAV would bother him too much. He's a guy whose career ends abruptly if that contract goes south.

I think term would go the opposite way with how much the cap is rising.

I'd assume his agent would be pushing for him to sign a two year deal, so he could sign another contract at 30 after the cap has gone up 15-20%.

 

[belair]

I think term would go the opposite way with how much the cap is rising.

I'd assume his agent would be pushing for him to sign a two year deal, so he could sign another contract at 30 after the cap has gone up 15-20%.

Is there certainty that he stays NHL caliber beyond that deal though. It's not like this guy is established. He's a bottom pairing fringe guy with big weaknesses in his game. If there's a big emphasis on speed in the next few seasons, he could be struggling to find a secure job.

Edmonton offers him $2m x 4, he'd be smart to take it.

 

[McDNicks17]

Is they're certainty that he stays NHL caliber beyond that deal though. It's not like this guy is established. He's a bottom pairing fringe guy with big weaknesses in his game. If there's a big emphasis on speed in the next few seasons, he could be struggling to find a secure job.

Edmonton offers his $2m x 4, he'd be smart to take it.

There's enough dinosaur GMs around the league that guys with size are always at a premium no matter how useless they.

 

[foshizzle]

Laurence Gilman and Toronto mutually part ways....hmmmm.... That Jackson connection...Our new GM???

 

[Pavel10]

So you see the problem too. Buyout, the simple way.

Buy out is a permanent answer to what might be a temporary solution.

Does Anderson catch fire with a winger the calibre of Draisaitl or mcdavid? I dont know. Worth a try rather than straight buyout.

Oddly enough with his injury history he's an easy ltir as well.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Buy out is a permanent answer to what might be a temporary solution.

Does Anderson catch fire with a winger the calibre of Draisaitl or mcdavid? I dont know. Worth a try rather than straight buyout.

Oddly enough with his injury history he's an easy ltir as well.

Buying out Campbell is the only solution. Getting worse and more cap hit is extremely pointless. Sometimes you just have to eat your mistakes.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

I'd rather use that Sturm, Kostin, Henrique money on another impact forward.

Then trade Kulak to make room for a legit top 4 defenceman.

Out:
Ceci/Kulak/Kane

In:
Arvidsson/Debrusk/Tanev

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lol evey capfriendly projection I've seen has Tanev on their team at 4-4.5

 

[CycloneSweep]

That's the kind of cap for crap trade you'd be looking at if you're shopping Campbell at full clip.

Anderson would be a player here, but he doesn't help the team's cap situation.

Trade him for a guy that wil also be an AHL player, that costs more? How is that beneficial?

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

There's enough dinosaur GMs around the league that guys with size are always at a premium no matter how useless they.

The "Dinosaur" that just signed Chatfield is the league's first non-hockey data GM who just made this his first move in the big chair.

Interesting to see the Analytics Company Seravalli pushes suggested Chatfield's market value at $3.5 million while they project Desharnais at $1.1 million. Seems like a bizarrely huge gap between the two players/roles/experience levels though production is double.



EDIT: Doubt Desharnais is going to accept a short contract in anticipation of the cap rising in future years. That's a play for very good and/or established players with secured career earnings. This is his moment for a life and career defining contract. He will be looking for security having to scrap for every pro deal.

 

[McDNicks17]

The "Dinosaur" that just signed Chatfield is the league's first non-hockey data GM who just made this his first move in the big chair.

Interesting to see the Analytics Company Seravalli pushes suggested Chatfield's market value at $3.5 million while they project Desharnais at $1.1 million. Seems like a bizarrely huge gap between the two players/roles/experience levels though production is double.



EDIT: Doubt Desharnais is going to accept a short contract in anticipation of the cap rising in future years. That's a play for very good and/or established players with secured career earnings. This is his moment for a life and career defining contract. He will be looking for security having to scrap for every pro deal.

I'm talking about dinosaurs for Desharnais. Even if he forgets how to play hockey, some GM will want him. Chatfield isn't a Desharnais. He's a fairly competent puck-mover.


That "analytics" company seems kind of silly. They're entire methodology is comparing players by age and contract status and then manually choosing the players that are similar stylistically.

They've got Chatfield at $3.6M because his comparable is Jake McCabe despite him playing six straight seasons of ~20 minutes/game before signing that $4M deal.

Desharnais is at $1.1M because his comparable is Lyubishkin's contract that he signed before ever playing a full NHL season.

edit: They've got Foegele at $4M with comparisons to Saad and Toffoli haha.

 

[belair]

Trade him for a guy that wil also be an AHL player, that costs more? How is that beneficial?

That is exactly what you said in the post I responded to. The question was about a crap for crap trade. In the context of that question, that was the type of trade you'd be looking at.

Josh Anderson is not an AHL forward. He's a middle six energy forward with a contract about $3m too rich for what he brings to the table. What is Campbell?

 

[CycloneSweep]

That is exactly what you said in the post I responded to. The question was about a crap for crap trade. In the context of that question, that was the type of trade you'd be looking at.

Josh Anderson is not an AHL forward. He's a middle six energy forward with a contract about $3m too rich for what he brings to the table. What is Campbell?

Josh Anderson puts up the offence of a 3rd liner when he gets gravy top 6 minutes. He isn’t better than any of our forwards. So why take on more cap for him?
Buyout is infinitely better than 2 years of Josh Anderson

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Just give him more term. I think Desh is happy here. Offer him certainty and I don't think the extra ~$1m in AAV would bother him too much. He's a guy whose career ends abruptly if that contract goes south.


Don't say you wouldn't love to have him in this series. Campbell on the other hand isn't even practicing with the big team.

I was just busting your chops…that said he’d probably be a bit more useful than Kane but it’s had to fault Kane if he’s been playing with a sports hernia most of the season.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Win or lose this should be the end of Foegele and McLeod in Edmonton.

 

[McDNicks17]

Win or lose this should be the end of Foegele and McLeod in Edmonton.

Everyone saw this type of playoffs coming from both of them except Kenny.

You don't win in the playoffs with players that are too soft for even regular season hockey.

 

[Pavel10]

Buying out Campbell is the only solution. Getting worse and more cap hit is extremely pointless. Sometimes you just have to eat your mistakes.

Why not trade for Anderson see what you have? Can buy him out as well.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I was just busting your chops…that said he’d probably be a bit more useful than Kane but it’s had to fault Kane if he’s been playing with a sports hernia most of the season.

Would he? He is worse than Kane in most metrics and ways even with Kane being hurt. Anderson wouldn’t even be playing right now. He is a worse player than everyone we have played. Maybe an improvement on Erne.

Why not trade for Anderson see what you have? Can buy him out as well.

Because we need the cap next year? Cant buy him out in season so we would be wasting 5 mill in cap for another season. He also makes more than Campbell so the buyout is worse.

 

[NotASheep]

He played well as the season progressed.

Anyone can be traded or given another chance. Much better than throwing money away for the next half a decade.

Teams will look to send dollar for dollar in return or bad contract for bad contract. An I could be wrong but we are trying to free up money to spend elsewhere

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I'm talking about dinosaurs for Desharnais. Even if he forgets how to play hockey, some GM will want him. Chatfield isn't a Desharnais. He's a fairly competent puck-mover.


That "analytics" company seems kind of silly. They're entire methodology is comparing players by age and contract status and then manually choosing the players that are similar stylistically.

They've got Chatfield at $3.6M because his comparable is Jake McCabe despite him playing six straight seasons of ~20 minutes/game before signing that $4M deal.

Desharnais is at $1.1M because his comparable is Lyubishkin's contract that he signed before ever playing a full NHL season.

edit: They've got Foegele at $4M with comparisons to Saad and Toffoli haha.

Yes, they're not apples to apples player types. But Chatfield's real breakout was this playoff when his toi increased pretty massively. Still big chunk for a 3D. Desharnais is a hard projection as he's at peak age, has shown PK ability, some ability to move between 3rd and 2nd pairing, has pterodactyl size and wing span, a developing game with more controlled area defending and puck poise, and largely stayed in the lineup of a team on a Cup Final run. Will depend on if teams or a team views Desharnais is a finished product or one that will continue to grind with improvement.

Oil can't blow their budget on this player. But this also a very thin organization that is finally onboarding some home grown pieces. Will be interesting to see how both parties try to find a fair middle ground (or not).

I posted the Analytics company projections more as a curiosity factor since Saravalli often references them. I don't know anything about their methodology but would hope it's more substantive than simple inputs like age, contract status, player type comps. Still the financial range between Chatfield and Desharnais seems way too wide.

 

[NotASheep]

Laurence Gilman and Toronto mutually part ways....hmmmm.... That Jackson connection...Our new GM???

I hope not

Two years of Kane at $5.25m for three more of Goodrow at $3.6m and one of Kakko at $2.4m. Add whatever sweetener it takes, but that helps fill out some of the bottom six depth we're likely to lose in the summer.

Kakko got 40pts in the 22/23 season. He shown signs of turning it around. the Rangers are going to give him another year to show something

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Would he? He is worse than Kane in most metrics and ways even with Kane being hurt. Anderson wouldn’t even be playing right now. He is a worse player than everyone we have played. Maybe an improvement on Erne.


Because we need the cap next year? Cant buy him out in season so we would be wasting 5 mill in cap for another season. He also makes more than Campbell so the buyout is worse.

It’s so hard to gauge a players value when he knows going into the past few seasons the team he’s on is rebuilding and has an almost zero shot at a wild card spot. The give a shit meter might be petty low but he could be washed. Sucks seeing Kane trying to gut out a hernia, it’s been two lost seasons in a row for him.

 

[McDNicks17]

Yes, they're not apples to apples player types. But Chatfield's real breakout was this playoff when his toi increased pretty massively. Still big chunk for a 3D. Desharnais is a hard projection as he's at peak age, has shown PK ability, some ability to move between 3rd and 2nd pairing, has pterodactyl size and wing span, a developing game with more controlled area defending and puck poise, and largely stayed in the lineup of a team on a Cup Final run. Will depend on if teams or a team views Desharnais is a finished product or one that will continue to grind with improvement.

Oil can't blow their budget on this player. But this also a very thin organization that is finally onboarding some home grown pieces. Will be interesting to see how both parties try to find a fair middle ground (or not).

I posted the Analytics company projections more as a curiosity factor since Saravalli often references them. I don't know anything about their methodology but would hope it's more substantive than simple inputs like age, contract status, player type comps. Still the financial range between Chatfield and Desharnais seems way too wide.

I was bored and listened to their podcast explaining their methodology the other day. That's all it is. Age, RFA or UFA, playstyle.

It's McCabe(4 years/$4M), Dillon(4 years/$3.9M), Demelo(4 years/$3M) and Moore(5 years/$2.75M) for Chatfield vs. Lyubushkin(1 year/$1.35M), Borowiecki(2 years/$1.2M), Forbort(1 year/$1M), TVR(1 year/$800k) and Schenn(1 year/$700k) for Desharnais.

Good mid to low-end second pairing guys on longer term deals vs. bottom pairing guys on 1 year deals.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Ok. Who’s gotta GTFO after the playoffs?

Campbell, Ceci and Nurse can get the f*** out. That’s what, 18 mil?

Skinner, McLeod, Kane, I don’t hate but they can’t play the roles we have them slotted in and that’s 10 mil right there.

Let Foegele walk

That’s a boatload of space. Get a #1 goalie.. or at least someone that’s better than Skinner. Get a couple of dmen with a brain. Build a 3rd line that can score, and finally find a top 6 winger. It’s a lot, but with like 30 mil to work with it’s maybe possible.