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[guymez]

I never said he would come in at 8. I'm just saying Bouchard can't say he's way better than Nurse so he should get significantly more than 9.25M. I would guess he comes in around 9M x 8 years.

He is better than Nurse though.

And that for many years he's played to date is a top pairing NHL defenseman. This is the lowest average icetime he's had since the 2016-17 season. It's doubtful those minutes drop moving forward considering Mattias Ekholm is soon to be 35.

The ONLy reason he has had the TOI he has had over the years is because the team didnt have a legit top pariing like ti does now.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He is better than Nurse though.

Without question, but I think he still has RFA years, Nurse would have been UFA at the time of re-signing, for whatever it's worth in the comparison.

I suspect Bouchard gets $10+M and will totally be worth it.

 

[guymez]

Disagree.

Due to modern training, coaching, equipment and medicine we are seeing some D-men peak in their early thirties.

Well...while Nurse might have the physical ability to be a #1 dman he just doesnt think the game at that level.
So in addition to his age its very unlikely that he gets any better than he is.

Without question, but I think he still has RFA years, Nurse would have been UFA at the time of re-signing, for whatever it's worth in the comparison.

I suspect Bouchard gets $10+M and will totally be worth it.

Yeah...the RFA part of it may be a saving grace although he is going to get handsomely paid at some point.

 

[McDoused]

He is better than Nurse though.


The ONLy reason he has had the TOI he has had over the years is because the team didnt have a legit top pariing like ti does now.

Is anyone arguing the opposite? It would be crazy to suggest otherwise.

Take the same logic that you are using (Bouchard is a better player than Nurse and .: should be paid more than Nurse) and flip it to see how ridiculous an argument this is. For example, you could argue that Jake Guentzel isn't as good as Zach Hyman. Hyman signed for 5.5M (a bargain deal) so Guentzel should come in under what Hyman signed for. This is obviously a ridiculous statement. The truth is Hyman was paid to be maybe a 30-30 scorer in the league not a 50+ goal 80+ point player. He is outproducing his contract the same way that Darnell Nurse is underperforming on his.

You have to look at what the market dictates and how the player performed at the time of the contract. Nurse signed his contract with the expectation that he would continue to play 24+ a minutes, shutdown other teams top guys, play in all scenarios and be a true #1 dman. The fact that hes a second pairing guy doesn't mean that guys on the first pairing should get more money.

Don't get me wrong, Bouchard is playing the best hockey of his life right now and earning himself a massive contract but comparing what he gets to Nurse just doesn't make any sense.

 

[McDoused]

Well...while Nurse might have the physical ability to be a #1 dman he just doesnt think the game at that level.
So in addition to his age its very unlikely that he gets any better than he is.


Yeah...the RFA part of it may be a saving grace although he is going to get handsomely paid at some point.

I would agree that Nurse doesn't think the game at a high level. One of the problems with Nurse is that he looks terrible when tries to do much much but he also looks bad when he sits back and tries to simplify his game. He needs to find the balance between the two - which is a problem when you lack hockey sense.

I think confidence is a big part of this as well. You can tell that he can take over games when he's feeling it. I absolutely think he can play better hockey than he has showed this playoffs, we've seen it. The question is can he figure out the balance from game to game, team to team. He's not going to turn into a 60-70 point guy and show a higher ceiling but he can navigate these issues become a more consistent defender.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Him and Pasta being childhood friends seems to be the extent of this connection.

This seems like a stretch. Didn’t they become buddies right before signing their NHL contracts.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Is anyone arguing the opposite? It would be crazy to suggest otherwise.

Take the same logic that you are using (Bouchard is a better player than Nurse and .: should be paid more than Nurse) and flip it to see how ridiculous an argument this is. For example, you could argue that Jake Guentzel isn't as good as Zach Hyman. Hyman signed for 5.5M (a bargain deal) so Guentzel should come in under what Hyman signed for. This is obviously a ridiculous statement. The truth is Hyman was paid to be maybe a 30-30 scorer in the league not a 50+ goal 80+ point player. He is outproducing his contract the same way that Darnell Nurse is underperforming on his.

You have to look at what the market dictates and how the player performed at the time of the contract. Nurse signed his contract with the expectation that he would continue to play 24+ a minutes, shutdown other teams top guys, play in all scenarios and be a true #1 dman. The fact that hes a second pairing guy doesn't mean that guys on the first pairing should get more money.

Don't get me wrong, Bouchard is playing the best hockey of his life right now and earning himself a massive contract but comparing what he gets to Nurse just doesn't make any sense.

Bouchard for Pasternak if Bouch prices himself out of Edmonton?

Don't know how we pay both Nurse and Bouchard with Draisaitl and McDavid looming.

 

[belair]

He is better than Nurse though.


The ONLy reason he has had the TOI he has had over the years is because the team didnt have a legit top pariing like ti does now.

Part of that legit top pairing is a player about to turn 35.

 

[OilerTyler]

Part of that legit top pairing is a player about to turn 35.

He turned 34 like two weeks ago

 

[AM]

His resume doesn't really matter. It's the cap that matters. No agent is going to let their client sign a deal that's market value for today when the cap could be 30-40% higher by the mid-point of that deal. He'd be underpaid before he even steps on the ice on that deal.

If the Oilers want him on an 8 year deal, there's basically zero chance he won't be the highest paid defenseman for a couple years.

Maybe that’s not his focus.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

I’d just try to move Nurse and sign Bouchard. Cut the bad contracts if at all possible and build around contracts with value. The core is there and it’s a contender

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I wonder if we see Yamamoto circle back here next season. It's likely Seattle doesn't qualify him and he didn't get much of an opportunity there last season.

He was a pretty popular guy in the room and was a player you could plug pretty much anywhere.

I don't see Yamamoto fitting into an Oilers deep playoff team roster. Small and injury prone is a liability in the winning season and his production (16 points, 25 two years ago) isn't good enough. Mattias Janmark is the player and value contract type the Oil need to find more of.

 

[guymez]

Is anyone arguing the opposite? It would be crazy to suggest otherwise.

Take the same logic that you are using (Bouchard is a better player than Nurse and .: should be paid more than Nurse) and flip it to see how ridiculous an argument this is. For example, you could argue that Jake Guentzel isn't as good as Zach Hyman. Hyman signed for 5.5M (a bargain deal) so Guentzel should come in under what Hyman signed for. This is obviously a ridiculous statement. The truth is Hyman was paid to be maybe a 30-30 scorer in the league not a 50+ goal 80+ point player. He is outproducing his contract the same way that Darnell Nurse is underperforming on his.

You have to look at what the market dictates and how the player performed at the time of the contract. Nurse signed his contract with the expectation that he would continue to play 24+ a minutes, shutdown other teams top guys, play in all scenarios and be a true #1 dman. The fact that hes a second pairing guy doesn't mean that guys on the first pairing should get more money.

Don't get me wrong, Bouchard is playing the best hockey of his life right now and earning himself a massive contract but comparing what he gets to Nurse just doesn't make any sense.

I think that the crux of this argument comes down to whether or not Nurses contract will play a role in Bouchards negotiations.
I think that it will as will how many UFA years Bouchard is willing to give up.

So to suggest that Nurses contract is irrelavent in these negotiations I think is misguided.

I would agree that Nurse doesn't think the game at a high level. One of the problems with Nurse is that he looks terrible when tries to do much much but he also looks bad when he sits back and tries to simplify his game. He needs to find the balance between the two - which is a problem when you lack hockey sense.

I think confidence is a big part of this as well. You can tell that he can take over games when he's feeling it. I absolutely think he can play better hockey than he has showed this playoffs, we've seen it. The question is can he figure out the balance from game to game, team to team. He's not going to turn into a 60-70 point guy and show a higher ceiling but he can navigate these issues become a more consistent defender.

This is a fair take.
For me I dont care about his offence. I just want him to be reliable in his own end. To make the correct read most of the time.
If he could do that then I would be better positioned to overlook his $9.25M contract.

 

[guymez]

Part of that legit top pairing is a player about to turn 35.

Yeah but (like a lot of other high quality dmen) he looks to me to be a player that can play into his late 30's

 

[LTIR]

Hear me out folks!! I gots a brilliant idear.

Assuming we are leading the series in the finals, Holland/Knob go to Campbell and make a deal, we suit you up as backup next game.. might give you a few mins in net if that is needed to get your name on the cup, and you just retire afterwards!

Bada Bing bada bam.. win win

 

[belair]

I don't see Yamamoto fitting into an Oilers deep playoff team roster. Small and injury prone is a liability in the winning season and his production (16 points, 25 two years ago) isn't good enough. Mattias Janmark is the player and value contract type the Oil need to find more of.

I agree with the premise of the playoff roster. But we are seeing year over year the wear and tear the 82 game schedule has on it. We don't get by without the guys who slot into those 13-18 F roles.

If Yamamoto finds himself back at square one, Edmonton just seems like a logical place for him to reset. And odds are, the cap crunch may leave an opening for him in roles where we know he thrives.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Hear me out folks!! I gots a brilliant idear.

Assuming we are leading the series in the finals, Holland/Knob go to Campbell and make a deal, we suit you up as backup next game.. might give you a few mins in net if that is needed to get your name on the cup, and you just retire afterwards!

Bada Bing bada bam.. win win

He's not walking away from $15 million in his early 30's.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I agree with the premise of the playoff roster. But we are seeing year over year the wear and tear the 82 game schedule has on it. We don't get by without the guys who slot into those 13-18 F roles.

If Yamamoto finds himself back at square one, Edmonton just seems like a logical place for him to reset. And odds are, the cap crunch may leave an opening for him in roles where we know he thrives.

We need to get harder to play against in the bottom 6, Yamamoto is too small and gets dinged up too much to be an everyday player in the playoffs.

 

[gordonhught]

Disagree.

Due to modern training, coaching, equipment and medicine we are seeing some D-men peak in their early thirties.

Agree. His issues are mental not physical. HIs physical tools are not in decline. I expect him to be in good shape for years.

He needs to work with a sport psychologist and determine what type of player he is going to try to be going ahead. He is not Bobby Orr.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I agree with the premise of the playoff roster. But we are seeing year over year the wear and tear the 82 game schedule has on it. We don't get by without the guys who slot into those 13-18 F roles.

If Yamamoto finds himself back at square one, Edmonton just seems like a logical place for him to reset. And odds are, the cap crunch may leave an opening for him in roles where we know he thrives.

I don't see a return to Edmonton as a logical place for either player or team. He needs and likely will go to a low echelon team where there will be available ice-time and potential upward mobility within a weak roster. That's not Edmonton. The Oilers deep run is reinforcing a plus sized roster helps more with the marathon meat grinder play required to go four rounds.

 

[OilerTyler]

We need to get harder to play against in the bottom 6, Yamamoto is too small and gets dinged up too much to be an everyday player in the playoffs.

If the Oilers were to bring back a guy like Yams I imagine it would be a lot like the Gagner signing this year. He'd just be early season depth that can play up the lineup and would probably be phased out around the trade deadline when we upgrade our roster for the playoffs.

 

[McShogun99]

I don't see a return to Edmonton as a logical place for either player or team. He needs and likely will go to a low echelon team where there will be available ice-time and potential upward mobility within a weak roster. That's not Edmonton. The Oilers deep run is reinforcing a plus sized roster helps more with the marathon meat grinder play required to go four rounds.

I don't think Yamamoto wanted to be here anyways plus he's not a player you want for the playoffs.

Bouchard for Pasternak if Bouch prices himself out of Edmonton?

Don't know how we pay both Nurse and Bouchard with Draisaitl and McDavid looming.

Who needs defence when you got McDrai and Pasta. I'd hate to trade Bouchard but you'd have to strongly consider it for Pasta.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I don't think Yamamoto wanted to be here anyways plus he's not a player you want for the playoffs.

Oh I think he wanted to be here and was a good teammate and respected as one as well. No one can really quibble about the fight in the dog but a 5'7" 160 pound flyweight is in tough especially if subject to injury and not a high-level production guy.

Yamamoto was respected and liked by his Oilers teammates. Just like Barrie. But the end goal is winning your final game of the year. This team is now experiencing the meat grinder required to play in June. There are better fits to support this team's core.

 

[VainGretzky]

Bouchard for Pasternak if Bouch prices himself out of Edmonton?

Don't know how we pay both Nurse and Bouchard with Draisaitl and McDavid looming.

the cap is going up 10 million for the next 2 seasons McDavid is getting a 2.5 million raise Drai 3,5 tops, and Bouchard 6 million we have contacts coming off it will be tight but they will pull it off . If they win the cup finding players at A million will not be hard for players looking to win a cup

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Well...while Nurse might have the physical ability to be a #1 dman he just doesnt think the game at that level.
So in addition to his age its very unlikely that he gets any better than he is.


Yeah...the RFA part of it may be a saving grace although he is going to get handsomely paid at some point.

Players as they get older tend to be more coachable. Nurse will most likely fall into this category when taking into consideration the current Oiler coaches.