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[McJadeddog]

I don't really understand this move. Seems a bit fragmented to build up management, let alone senior management positions before first putting the GM/President of Hockeys Ops in place.

Open minded but seems a bit fragmented.

I think this just shows that it is really Jackson making the calls from here on in. The GM is going to be a GM and all, but Jackson has final say.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I think this just shows that it is really Jackson making the calls from here on in. The GM is going to be a GM and all, but Jackson has final say.

Maybe, or the GM will make all the calls related to the big club, focus on hockey there, but Jackson and crew will handle the rest of the organization things?

With Jackson of course providing input.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don't really understand this move. Seems a bit fragmented to build up management, let alone senior management positions before first putting the GM/President of Hockeys Ops in place.

Open minded but seems a bit fragmented.

I guess the GM isn't going to have full control over things like player development. Given the liklihood that we will need to rely on finding some gems from the USHL and NCAA systems in the next few years, its probably a good thing to have someone who knows those systems well. I don't know anything about this guy, but hopefully its a good decision.

 

[K1984]

Good to hear your first hand insight. Agree with your sense of organizational priority (along with amateur scouting and pro scouting), we'll see how Jackson's organization model develops.

Seems a bit unusual to start hiring out key management functions without first locking in the lead strategic head as GM/President of Hockey Ops (or whatever title). Open minded knowing nothing about the guy so appreciate your post and details.

I wonder if bigger picture, longer term responsibilities will be handled by Jackson and team with the GM handling more tactical day to day responsibilities with the big club.

If that's what they're doing I think it makes sense. If Jackson is better able to "fully bake" these disciplines more than the Oilers have in the past it would be an advantage to have that infrastructure entrenched in the background no matter who is in the GM chair.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Details on the new hire

 

[barry halls]

Just dropping in with encouraging stats pertaining to the future of this team:

Teams that have played in the most playoff games in the last 3 seasons: Oilers are 2nd behind Florida

Teams that have won the most playoff games in the last 3 seasons: Oilers are 3rd behind Colorado and Florida

I believe Edmonton's 5 series wins in the last 3 seasons also ranks within the top 5.

Looking at these stats has convinced me that Connor and Leon will stay in Edmonton if they really want to win above all else. They have a real shot at winning the cup in the next few weeks here, and if it doesn't work out this year they'll give themselves the best shot at a cup by sticking together and continuing to knock on the door with this team.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I wonder if bigger picture, longer term responsibilities will be handled by Jackson and team with the GM handling more tactical day to day responsibilities with the big club.

If that's what they're doing I think it makes sense. If Jackson is better able to "fully bake" these disciplines more than the Oilers have in the past it would be an advantage to have that infrastructure entrenched in the background no matter who is in the GM chair.

For sure, Jackson has said his focus is on strategic, long-term sustainability of the organization. The day to day will be role of general manager. I'm open minded about the hire but it really is an operational management position that feeds into a team's general manager. Clear though that Jackson has been imposing his vision beginning with the new head of Amateur Scouting shortly after taking over and then Knoblauch hiring. He's "The Captain" now!

I think this just shows that it is really Jackson making the calls from here on in. The GM is going to be a GM and all, but Jackson has final say.

He's been the primary decision making since replacing Wright as Amateur Scouting. Lead on Knoblauch hire and now this hire too. For sure.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I guess the GM isn't going to have full control over things like player development. Given the liklihood that we will need to rely on finding some gems from the USHL and NCAA systems in the next few years, its probably a good thing to have someone who knows those systems well. I don't know anything about this guy, but hopefully its a good decision.

I think ultimately the position will report in through hockey operations and a new GM. But clearly Jackson is setting up the organization structure and personnel within his vision. I don't know anything about the new guy but pretty obvious his sweet spot in USHL and NCAA players. Agree, the Oilers are going to have to beat the bushes everywhere for latent talent with the fewer draft picks they'll have through the winning window.

 

[bellagiobob]

I wonder if bigger picture, longer term responsibilities will be handled by Jackson and team with the GM handling more tactical day to day responsibilities with the big club.

If that's what they're doing I think it makes sense. If Jackson is better able to "fully bake" these disciplines more than the Oilers have in the past it would be an advantage to have that infrastructure entrenched in the background no matter who is in the GM chair.

Going with a traditional CEO/COO business model, modified to fit in hockey terms.

 

[foshizzle]

Ya, I get the position and responsibilities. Still assume the reporting structure will flow through a new GM/President of Hockey Operations whenever this hire is made. Just seems a hire that could flow out of the big strategic hire being made. I don't know Larsson so can't critique the hire. Just think it makes sense that the big chair should be filled first with some input/engagement there. Open minded.

Maybe they already have the GM in the org and haven't announced it. I felt that way when they hired Knob. A coach likes to pick his own coach. Then again when they hired Pacey. Now this. I'm guessing the new GM is already here. Maybe Coffey or Holland Jr

 

[Fishy McScales]

I don't really understand this move. Seems a bit fragmented to build up management, let alone senior management positions before first putting the GM/President of Hockeys Ops in place.

Open minded but seems a bit fragmented.

I'm also wondering in general how the dynamics will be once the new hire gets there.

Jackson clearly is very hands on and I feel he probably should just take the reigns himself the way things are looking.

I can't stand bosses that micro manage and try to do your job for you. Ownership of your tasks is a big thing in order to feel you have agency. A new GM having a CEO that active would probably be pretty shackled/neutered from the getgo.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Maybe they already have the GM in the org and haven't announced it. I felt that way when they hired Knob. A coach likes to pick his own coach. Then again when they hired Pacey. Now this. I'm guessing the new GM is already here. Maybe Coffey or Holland Jr

This is what I was thinking. I could see Coffey getting a view of the team from the front line this season. Then Jackson and him running the ship next season.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Maybe they already have the GM in the org and haven't announced it. I felt that way when they hired Knob. A coach likes to pick his own coach. Then again when they hired Pacey. Now this. I'm guessing the new GM is already here. Maybe Coffey or Holland Jr

Highly doubt it would be Holland Jr. whose resume is slight. Coffey is more advisor type than the guy. Keith Gretzky is the most experienced internal guy. Most likely external hire to guide through this critical winning window. Makes a little sense to not announce a new GM while they’re still playing but same with this announcement which likely could have been delayed. Interesting time of change for sure.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I'm also wondering in general how the dynamics will be once the new hire gets there.

Jackson clearly is very hands on and I feel he probably should just take the reigns himself the way things are looking.

I can't stand bosses that micro manage and try to do your job for you. Ownership of your tasks is a big thing in order to feel you have agency. A new GM having a CEO that active would probably be pretty shackled/neutered from the getgo.

I think Jackson’s been more active due to situation moreso than his style. With Holland running out his deal, he’s had to insert himself into critical operational decisions that impact both shortterm & the longterm. Jackson has been building the plane while also having to fly it to some extent.

Such a major time of change with Holland’s deal expiring, the team & organization’s Cup competitive goal, and absolute crater start to the year. Intervention was required and Jackson was going to inform decisions with Holland.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Tough for Stetcher, he wanted to be part of this.

 

[McShogun99]

Tough for Stetcher, he wanted to be part of this.

I bet he would have been in over Ceci for multiple games.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Maybe they already have the GM in the org and haven't announced it. I felt that way when they hired Knob. A coach likes to pick his own coach. Then again when they hired Pacey. Now this. I'm guessing the new GM is already here. Maybe Coffey or Holland Jr

Maybe they wait to see if they win the cup, and if they do they....ugh....extend Holland.

Tough for Stetcher, he wanted to be part of this.

I wonder what happened to him. It's not like he has had any game time to hurt himself. Lingering injury that just kept getting worse? Injured during training? Tough break.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I wonder what happened to him. It's not like he has had any game time to hurt himself. Lingering injury that just kept getting worse? Injured during training? Tough break.

This apparently, tough break

 

[Oilhawks]

Tough for Stetcher, he wanted to be part of this.

Win it for Stecher!

 

[Heavy Dee]

Win it for Stecher!

Once an Oiler, always an Oiler.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Broberg seems to be emerging and I think we can expect him to be an everyday dman next regular season.

Does a new GM cut some cap at defense?

 

[WaitingForUser]

Broberg seems to be emerging and I think we can expect him to be an everyday dman next regular season.

Does a new GM cut some cap at defense?

If Broberg can continue playing the RS Ceci is gone.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

If Broberg can continue playing the RS Ceci is gone.

Broberg was reset at his natural LD in Bakersfield. Where he has been great. A big issue was trying to have him onboard against NHL apex competition on his off-side, RD. Now in the Conference Final, he's being handled by a smarter coaching decision to move NHL veteran Kulak to RD and play Broberg on LD.

There could be a potential case to be made to move Kulak over to RD next season and onboard Broberg at 3LD. Broberg's been way better playing on his natural side.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Tough for Stetcher, he wanted to be part of this.

Any idea when the injury happened?

Allegedly he had an infected cyst on his ankle.

If Broberg can continue playing the RS Ceci is gone.

Kulak will be gone with Broberg, not Ceci.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Any idea when the injury happened?

Allegedly he had an infected cyst on his ankle.


Kulak will be gone with Broberg, not Ceci.

No Ceci will gone for sure.

As for Stetcher, I wonder if it's something like skating bite that just went bad?