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[GhostfaceWu]

Grabbing Nash is repeating the same mistake again except this time instead of the option to walk away (Rieder) we are stuck with him for an additional year at a price he clearly won't deserve. The guy put up 3 more goals than Rieder how are people even somewhat attracted to that player? It is just another unneeded bad contract that will screw up next years UFA signing "attempts".

 

[World Wanderer]

Everyone seems to want a top 6 or a 3C, I'm not sure if I was the oilers if I'd put that money into forwards if I had freed up more cap space, or whether I'd take a run at Gardiner who is still unsigned and can put up 30-40 points on the backend, and QB the power play. Not sure if he'd want to play in Edmonton though, so there's that. Oilers right now have somewhere around 3-4M to play with, after players get sent down and the 21-22 man roster gets firmed out. Free up a bit more cap space and take a run at Gards seems like a good option, since the back end is pretty freaking weak right now, especially if klefbom has another injury (I mean seriously, what are the odds of this? 60%? 80%?)

From my recollection last year, under Hitchcock things were actually going at a good clip for the oilers until both russell and klefbom went down with injury at the same time, then the wheels fell off and the team couldn't recover from that. That also forced Chia to make some panic moves to get warm bodies to play defense. I notice that even on all the writeups about how bad the oilers were last year, that seems to have been mostly ignored. At the time, the oilers were down 3 out of the top 4D they had (Sekera, klef, russell) realistically they never had a chance. That screws up your remaining D-man, and also does a mind-f.... on your goaltenders. Needless to say it puts your team behind the 8 ball.

IMO, while offensive depth last year was poor, the team may have been alot better of those injuries never happened - so unless the kids come up and really play well, a couple of injuries like last year on defense would have those kids playing top 4 minutes, and that's just a disaster waiting to happen. I really think the oilers need at least one more top 4 D and the talk of dumping Russell needs to die, because the defense right now is gambling on the kids sustaining workload and when the injuries will happen, sustaining important minutes - and that never works out well for the oilers.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Grabbing Nash is repeating the same mistake again except this time instead of the option to walk away (Rieder) we are stuck with him for an additional year at a price he clearly won't deserve. The guy put up 3 more goals than Rieder how are people even somewhat attracted to that player? It is just another unneeded bad contract that will screw up next years UFA signing "attempts".

What does this mean? If you can move Gagner and get Nash to be your 3C, that's not the same as signing Rieder and hoping he can be a low-end top-6 forward, who some how fails to score a single goal.

 

[CupofOil]

Like I've been saying. Edmonton is the LEAST attractive city in the league. And Winnipeg is the only one close. That's why it's the hardest GM job in the league imo.

Most of the Canadian cities are lumped into the same category of lack of desirability, the foursome of Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and Ottawa in particular. Relatively small cities, fishbowl atmosphere and the coldest weather, bad combination. The "rust belt" cities of Buffalo, Detroit, Columbus and Pittsburgh are no picnic either.

Ultimately, there are only a select few locations that are highly desirable regardless of on ice success. The Sun Belt teams, California, New York, Chicago and Boston. Most northern cities are undesirable in comparison, some more than others.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Everyone seems to want a top 6 or a 3C, I'm not sure if I was the oilers if I'd put that money into forwards if I had freed up more cap space, or whether I'd take a run at Gardiner who is still unsigned and can put up 30-40 points on the backend, and QB the power play. Not sure if he'd want to play in Edmonton though, so there's that. Oilers right now have somewhere around 3-4M to play with, after players get sent down and the 21-22 man roster gets firmed out. Free up a bit more cap space and take a run at Gards seems like a good option, since the back end is pretty freaking weak right now, especially if klefbom has another injury (I mean seriously, what are the odds of this? 60%? 80%?)

From my recollection last year, under Hitchcock things were actually going at a good clip for the oilers until both russell and klefbom went down with injury at the same time, then the wheels fell off and the team couldn't recover from that. That also forced Chia to make some panic moves to get warm bodies to play defense. I notice that even on all the writeups about how bad the oilers were last year, that seems to have been mostly ignored. At the time, the oilers were down 3 out of the top 4D they had (Sekera, klef, russell) realistically they never had a chance. That screws up your remaining D-man, and also does a mind-f.... on your goaltenders. Needless to say it puts your team behind the 8 ball.

IMO, while offensive depth last year was poor, the team may have been alot better of those injuries never happened - so unless the kids come up and really play well, a couple of injuries like last year on defense would have those kids playing top 4 minutes, and that's just a disaster waiting to happen. I really think the oilers need at least one more top 4 D and the talk of dumping Russell needs to die, because the defense right now is gambling on the kids sustaining workload and when the injuries will happen, sustaining important minutes - and that never works out well for the oilers.

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that's terrified at the prospect of relying on Klefbom to stay healthy all year. As good as he is when he's at 100%, I'd be much more comfortable with someone else to take those minutes whose competent. Even if it means moving Klefbom.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Everyone seems to want a top 6 or a 3C, I'm not sure if I was the oilers if I'd put that money into forwards if I had freed up more cap space, or whether I'd take a run at Gardiner who is still unsigned and can put up 30-40 points on the backend, and QB the power play. Not sure if he'd want to play in Edmonton though, so there's that. Oilers right now have somewhere around 3-4M to play with, after players get sent down and the 21-22 man roster gets firmed out. Free up a bit more cap space and take a run at Gards seems like a good option, since the back end is pretty freaking weak right now, especially if klefbom has another injury (I mean seriously, what are the odds of this? 60%? 80%?)

From my recollection last year, under Hitchcock things were actually going at a good clip for the oilers until both russell and klefbom went down with injury at the same time, then the wheels fell off and the team couldn't recover from that. That also forced Chia to make some panic moves to get warm bodies to play defense. I notice that even on all the writeups about how bad the oilers were last year, that seems to have been mostly ignored. At the time, the oilers were down 3 out of the top 4D they had (Sekera, klef, russell) realistically they never had a chance. That screws up your remaining D-man, and also does a mind-f.... on your goaltenders. Needless to say it puts your team behind the 8 ball.

IMO, while offensive depth last year was poor, the team may have been alot better of those injuries never happened - so unless the kids come up and really play well, a couple of injuries like last year on defense would have those kids playing top 4 minutes, and that's just a disaster waiting to happen. I really think the oilers need at least one more top 4 D and the talk of dumping Russell needs to die, because the defense right now is gambling on the kids sustaining workload and when the injuries will happen, sustaining important minutes - and that never works out well for the oilers.

I'm also liking the idea of going after Gardiner. Adding more offence to the blueline makes the forwards as a whole far more dangerous.

Nurse-Larsson
Gardiner-Russell
Klefbom-Persson
Benning


Plus getting Jake on a one year deal makes a ton of sense (from both side).

There are few teams that can offer Gardiner as much opportunity as here, as he'd be the go-to offensive option on the blueline. I can see him eclipsing 45+ points. If he manages that, than he's walking into next July in a much stronger negotiating position to get money and term.

From the Oil's POV, Gardiner gives you a bridge to Bourchard/Jones/Bear making to the big team and taking over the OFD role. Plus if he's get the go-to offensive minutes next year, that will cut into Nurse's next contract and lower his cap hit.

 

[Soli]

 

[McIce Whole]

 

[destro909]

Everyone seems to want a top 6 or a 3C, I'm not sure if I was the oilers if I'd put that money into forwards if I had freed up more cap space, or whether I'd take a run at Gardiner who is still unsigned and can put up 30-40 points on the backend, and QB the power play. Not sure if he'd want to play in Edmonton though, so there's that. Oilers right now have somewhere around 3-4M to play with, after players get sent down and the 21-22 man roster gets firmed out. Free up a bit more cap space and take a run at Gards seems like a good option, since the back end is pretty freaking weak right now, especially if klefbom has another injury (I mean seriously, what are the odds of this? 60%? 80%?)

From my recollection last year, under Hitchcock things were actually going at a good clip for the oilers until both russell and klefbom went down with injury at the same time, then the wheels fell off and the team couldn't recover from that. That also forced Chia to make some panic moves to get warm bodies to play defense. I notice that even on all the writeups about how bad the oilers were last year, that seems to have been mostly ignored. At the time, the oilers were down 3 out of the top 4D they had (Sekera, klef, russell) realistically they never had a chance. That screws up your remaining D-man, and also does a mind-f.... on your goaltenders. Needless to say it puts your team behind the 8 ball.

IMO, while offensive depth last year was poor, the team may have been alot better of those injuries never happened - so unless the kids come up and really play well, a couple of injuries like last year on defense would have those kids playing top 4 minutes, and that's just a disaster waiting to happen. I really think the oilers need at least one more top 4 D and the talk of dumping Russell needs to die, because the defense right now is gambling on the kids sustaining workload and when the injuries will happen, sustaining important minutes - and that never works out well for the oilers.

Adding Gardner would be great - but we just don't have the cap space for him. If we signed anyone on D it would probably be a cheap vet for depth, unless we can move out Russell's contract which seems unlikely at this time.

 

[Ruok]

Alright asset management. Marino is a bit of a sleeper, he might have an Nhl career, but it our blueline prospect list is pretty full.

 

[Hemsky4pm2]

Most of the Canadian cities are lumped into the same category of lack of desirability, the foursome of Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and Ottawa in particular. Relatively small cities, fishbowl atmosphere and the coldest weather, bad combination. The "rust belt" cities of Buffalo, Detroit, Columbus and Pittsburgh are no picnic either.

Ultimately, there are only a select few locations that are highly desirable regardless of on ice success. The Sun Belt teams, California, New York, Chicago and Boston. Most northern cities are undesirable in comparison, some more than others.

You can add Denver to the list of desirable places. I also wouldn't put Pittsburgh and Columbus in the same category as Buffalo and Detroit.

The least desirable cities are Group 1 Winnipeg, Edmonton, Buffalo, Detroit /// Group 2 Ottawa, Calgary, Montreal. I think the remaining teams don't have to sell themselves nearly as hard as these cities do. That said, Detroit was a powerhouse for years, mostly by keeping homegrown talent like Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Winnipeg has similarly been able to resign most of their top players because it's had on-ice success.

Buffalo and Edmonton have rich owners and have been profligate spenders in recent years - signing many of the worst UFA contracts on record:

Lucic, Sekera, Pouliot, Nikitin, Okposo, Moulson, Lieno, and on, and on. Winnipeg has been able to avoid that trap - despite deep-pocketed ownership. Calgary, Ottawa and Montreal appear to be more cash conscious in general.

This is partly why I consider Katz' ownership approach to be holding back the team. There has been no fiscal discipline and a misguided philosophy that spending yields performance. It is the inverse - performance should dictate spending.

 

[Soli]

Alright asset management. Marino is a bit of a sleeper, he might have an Nhl career, but it our blueline prospect list is pretty full.

Imagine the condition is based on signing Marino. So, recouping the 6th round pick we spent on him in 2015 is okay.

For a 6th round pick though, Marino was tracking well. This wasn't unexpected, the writing was on the wall.

EDIT:

 

[Louis Cypher]

Related?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Interesting, I wonder if the emergence of Lagesson, Day and Persson made things too tight for the team to find space for Marino.

 

[Hopelesslucicfan]

Weren’t there rumours of him not wanting to sign with us?
I’ll take a conditional 6th over nothing for sure.

 

[Fourier]

You can add Denver to the list of desirable places. I also wouldn't put Pittsburgh and Columbus in the same category as Buffalo and Detroit.

The least desirable cities are Group 1 Winnipeg, Edmonton, Buffalo, Detroit /// Group 2 Ottawa, Calgary, Montreal. I think the remaining teams don't have to sell themselves nearly as hard as these cities do. That said, Detroit was a powerhouse for years, mostly by keeping homegrown talent like Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Winnipeg has similarly been able to resign most of their top players because it's had on-ice success.

Buffalo and Edmonton have rich owners and have been profligate spenders in recent years - signing many of the worst UFA contracts on record:

Lucic, Sekera, Pouliot, Nikitin, Okposo, Moulson, Lieno, and on, and on. Winnipeg has been able to avoid that trap - despite deep-pocketed ownership. Calgary, Ottawa and Montreal appear to be more cash conscious in general.

This is partly why I consider Katz' ownership approach to be holding back the team. There has been no fiscal discipline and a misguided philosophy that spending yields performance. It is the inverse - performance should dictate spending.

I think that there are some misconceptions about Detroit as a place top live. NHL players aren't living in the Cass Corridor. Detroit has some beautiful districts and some very nice suburbs. It also has a lot nicer weather than a place like Buffalo. The big difference between a place like Detroit and say Edmonton is that Detroit has pretty much all of the amenities of a large US city and is close to the key cities in the US north east so from a travel perspective it has huge advantages both for players and their families.

 

[fireantz]

I'm also liking the idea of going after Gardiner. Adding more offence to the blueline makes the forwards as a whole far more dangerous.

Nurse-Larsson
Gardiner-Russell
Klefbom-Persson
Benning


Plus getting Jake on a one year deal makes a ton of sense (from both side).

There are few teams that can offer Gardiner as much opportunity as here, as he'd be the go-to offensive option on the blueline. I can see him eclipsing 45+ points. If he manages that, than he's walking into next July in a much stronger negotiating position to get money and term.

From the Oil's POV, Gardiner gives you a bridge to Bourchard/Jones/Bear making to the big team and taking over the OFD role. Plus if he's get the go-to offensive minutes next year, that will cut into Nurse's next contract and lower his cap hit.

Am I the only one that would be more confident in Lagesson-Jones right now versus Gardiner- Russell

 

[BudBundy]

Gross. Marino had potential. He must have been telling the Oilers he’d never sign here.

 

[North]

Gross. Marino had potential. He must have been telling the Oilers he’d never sign here.

The Oilers apparently wanted to sign him but he decided to go back to school. Mark Divver who seems to have his ear to the ground regarding college players said something along the lines of Marino probably getting interest from other teams after his final year.

He clearly wasn’t interested in signing with us.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

You can add Denver to the list of desirable places. I also wouldn't put Pittsburgh and Columbus in the same category as Buffalo and Detroit.

The least desirable cities are Group 1 Winnipeg, Edmonton, Buffalo, Detroit /// Group 2 Ottawa, Calgary, Montreal. I think the remaining teams don't have to sell themselves nearly as hard as these cities do. That said, Detroit was a powerhouse for years, mostly by keeping homegrown talent like Yzerman, Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Winnipeg has similarly been able to resign most of their top players because it's had on-ice success.

Buffalo and Edmonton have rich owners and have been profligate spenders in recent years - signing many of the worst UFA contracts on record:

my tiers are:

1. Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa: a combination of fishbowl cities, weather, travel, bad ownership or bad arena
2. The other Canadian teams (Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto): weather, fishbowl, taxes, travel etc...
3. Buffalo, Minnesota, NYI, NJ, Columbus, Arizona, Carolina: bad weather, arena or ownership or small American cities with no hockey atmosphere (hockey is like 10th on the list behind NASCAR and college basketball)
4. The rest
5. tax-free havens like Vegas, Dallas or Nashville
6. Most desirable: NYR, Chicago, Boston, Florida teams, California teams

 

[SK13]

The Oilers apparently wanted to sign him but he decided to go back to school. Mark Divver who seems to have his ear to the ground regarding college players said something along the lines of Marino probably getting interest from other teams after his final year.

He clearly wasn’t interested in signing with us.

The Oilers could have Samorukov, Bouchard, Bear, Lagesson, Day, Lowe and Manning all in the AHL next year. I'd go back to school too, if I thought I was that ECHL bound.

Either way Marino seems like a distant bell as an NHL prospect. No big deal.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Am I the only one that would be more confident in Lagesson-Jones right now versus Gardiner- Russell

Ehh truth be told, that would be my replacement for them the year after next. However going into next year, I could see it working well.

Gardiner's at his best when he gets offensive minutes and opportunity, Russell on the other hand is at his best when he's relied upon to just play safety net for an offensive driver: Wideman in Calgary, Sekera here, ect. It seems like an oddly natural fit, and they would fill a big need here.

Nurse and Larsson lets you shelter that pairing a bit, Klefbom is good enough to carry the 3rd pairing, and he can slide up when needed.

 

[SK13]

Am I the only one that would be more confident in Lagesson-Jones right now versus Gardiner- Russell

As much as I am a huge Gardiner and Russell skeptic, indepedent of one another, I wouldn't go that far.

For the money and the term, the long term outlook and the ((IMO) underrated potential for a player like Jones to enter the season as a #6 and end it as a #4 on merit - I would much rather have Nurse-Russell and let the bottom three defenseman be Benning, Jones and Persson.

 

[SK13]

Ehh truth be told, that would be my replacement for them the year after next. However going into next year, I could see it working well.

Gardiner's at his best when he gets offensive minutes and opportunity, Russell on the other hand is at his best when he's relied upon to just play safety net for an offensive driver: Wideman in Calgary, Sekera here, ect. It seems like an oddly natural fit, and they would fill a big need here.

Nurse and Larsson lets you shelter that pairing a bit, Klefbom is good enough to carry the 3rd pairing, and he can slide up when needed.

I don't agree with this. And not just because you have the best defenseman on the team on the 3rd pairing waiting to "sllide up".

Russell-Wideman was a disaster of a pairing, and Sekera was not an offensive driver in need of a safety net. He was Russell's superior in all three zones when the played together. Russell has been at his best, ideally on the left side, in a pairing with a veteran poised defenseman who can handle the heavier zone time that playing with Kris Russell nets you. This is why Wideman, who was a poor own-zone player his entire career, didn't work (especially in their last year). It's why Russell-Nurse was a borderline nightmare at times and it's why Gardiner-Russell sounds rough. These are mistake prone players you're putting out there to chase the puck around.

 

[snipes]

Marino was our what 10th best D prospect?

Bouchard
Broberg
Samorukov
Jones
Bear
Laggesson
Persson
Berglund
Day

Those 9 I’d have ahead easily. Longshot like Kesselring as well, maybe Kemp too?