Proposal: Rumours & Proposals Thread | Keep Nuge Forever

[guymez]

Is Brassard a possibility on a 1 year deal?

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Is Brassard a possibility on a 1 year deal?

I'd hope so, probably at 2.75-3 million.

Although it seems like we've already got too many options for the bottom-6.

 

[guymez]

I'd hope so, probably at 2.75-3 million.

Although it seems like we've already got too many options for the bottom-6.

They need a 3rd line centre though. Having McDavid, RNH, Brassard and "fill in the blank" on the 4th line would be fine with me.
Thats a really solid set of centres that could compete with any team in the NHL.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

They need a 3rd line centre though. Having McDavid, RNH, Brassard and "fill in the blank" on the 4th line would be fine with me.
Thats a really solid set of centres that could compete with any team in the NHL.

I agree, but it would mean someone has to go.

There would be 5 forward spots up for grabs if we sign him, assuming McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Neal, Brassard, Chiasson, and Kassian are all locks, and Gagner, Khaira, Puljujarvi, Granlund, Brodziak, Archibald, Nygard, Jurco, Haas, Cave, Benson, and Marody fighting for spots.

That's 12 players and only 5 available slots.

 

[McShogun99]

No they arent lol. The bastardization of analytics is hilarious. They are showing Lucic was slightly better when it comes to possession stats than Neal was. It was one specific category. It is also very true Neal has poor possession metrics

How that got twisted into "Lucic has great analytics" is hilarious

The only stat that matters is the one that shows how every player that was on his line had a much lower points per 60 then when they were away from him.

 

[guymez]

I agree, but it would mean someone has to go.

There would be 5 forward spots up for grabs if we sign him, assuming McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Neal, Brassard, Chiasson, and Kassian are all locks, and Gagner, Khaira, Puljujarvi, Granlund, Brodziak, Archibald, Nygard, Jurco, Haas, Cave, Benson, and Marody fighting for spots.

That's 12 players and only 5 available slots.

I agree 100%.

Thats why I have posted a few times already that I dont think Holland is done dealing. There could be a 2 (or even a 3) for 1 coming up.

 

[nexttothemoon]

I think others have mentioned this... but I'm not big on these over 30 year old "vets" coming to the Oilers and almost unanimously always sucking when they should be decent vet depth in the bottom 6.

I know some here want to add Brassard for $2-3 million... but that's yet another guy who is 32 and in a downturn and those types don't seem to have a lot of luck turning it around (or keeping up their play) when they come to Edmonton.

I'd rather see what little cap they have left put into a sub 30 year old player on a tiny near league minimum contract (.7-1 million range) so that it can be dumped in the AHL if needed and the cap magically disappears.

The only advantage this org has is an owner with deep pockets that doesn't seem to mind having a cap max team... so using that to their advantage and having extra bodies that can be fully buried in the AHL is a solid strategy... ie lots of cheap sub $1 million bodies where you can create competition in the bottom 6 and dump the ones that don't cut in in the AHL.

You really can't do that if you sign a 32 year old on a $2.5 million contract for example... because dumping him in the AHL and replacing him with another player means his cap hit basically stays in full.

So basically what I'm saying is stick to the $1 million and under signings like Archibald (who is an excellent signing by the way) and stay away from the older guys that are expected to "rebound" and provide vet support on the Oilers.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Oilers have enough "vets" now anyway... Neal is turning 32... Smith is 37... Russell is 32.. that's enough vet leadership in all positions.

 

[pabst blue ribbon]

Brodziak had an alright season before his second tour of duty with the Oilers and performed like a washed up AHL'er

Brassard was more washed than Brodziak was last season, it's preplexing that anyone wants to give him anything over 1 mill

 

[Bangers]

I agree, but it would mean someone has to go.

There would be 5 forward spots up for grabs if we sign him, assuming McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Neal, Brassard, Chiasson, and Kassian are all locks, and Gagner, Khaira, Puljujarvi, Granlund, Brodziak, Archibald, Nygard, Jurco, Haas, Cave, Benson, and Marody fighting for spots.

That's 12 players and only 5 available slots.

Pulju may not even be part of the organization, Brodziak, Nygard, Jurco, Marody and Cave could easily be waived or shunted to the AHL, Benson might not be ready and Haas could end up being sent back to Europe.

I would rather have Brassard than any of the players I just listed.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Ya I'd have no problem with a deal in the $1 million range where it could be buried fully if it didn't work out like with Brodziak. I assume Brodziak is waiver fodder now and will be dumped in the AHL as well... but in that case there's less than $100,000 that still sticks on the Oilers cap.

 

[OilerTyler]

Brodziak had an alright season before his second tour of duty with the Oilers and performed like a washed up AHL'er

Brassard was more washed than Brodziak was last season, it's preplexing that anyone wants to give him anything over 1 mill

Brassard scored 14 goals last year...

 

[nexttothemoon]

Pulju may not even be part of the organization, Brodziak, Nygard, Jurco, Marody and Cave could easily be waived or shunted to the AHL, Benson might not be ready and Haas could end up being sent back to Europe.

I would rather have Brassard than any of the players I just listed.

I agree with that pretty much.

I'd also add that Granlund, Khaira and Gagner have been net negative players in recent years as well... so there's a lot of bodies there in that list but not a lot of quality.

There's lots of unknowns like Haas/Nygard/Benson/Marody and I'd even throw in Gambardella and Currie who actually both looked decent in their short stints with the team.


While I wouldn't mind Brassard... the salary should be close to $1 million... if not then I'd rather just wait and see if 1 or 2 of Haas/Nygard/Benson/Marody/Gambardella/Currie/Yamamoto look decent enough to grab a bottom 6 role.

 

[McDNicks17]

I think you absolutely have to take the risk and sign Brassard.

You can't go into next season with your only options at #3C being three 4th line wingers who shouldn't be playing center(Khaira, Granlund, Gagner), a couple of borderline #4Cs(Brodziak, Cave) or a lower level European UFA(Haas).

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I agree, but it would mean someone has to go.

There would be 5 forward spots up for grabs if we sign him, assuming McDavid, Draisaitl, Nuge, Neal, Brassard, Chiasson, and Kassian are all locks, and Gagner, Khaira, Puljujarvi, Granlund, Brodziak, Archibald, Nygard, Jurco, Haas, Cave, Benson, and Marody fighting for spots.

That's 12 players and only 5 available slots.

Why would we assume Brassard is a lock he had the 11th worst GAR rating in the league last season, if he plays at last years level he doesn't belong in the league, he got kicked around like a hacky sack for a reason. I'd assume Neal is a lock cause it seems likely his shooting percentage will gravitate closer to the norm, but if he puts up another 20-25 point level season he's likely out of the league as well, cause he doesn't bring enough to the table outside of his offensive game.

Granlund should be a lock his numbers and his versatility in both roles that he can play and ability to line up in multiple positions should keep him on the main roster.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I think you absolutely have to take the risk and sign Brassard.

You can't go into next season with your only options at #3C being three 4th line wingers who shouldn't be playing center(Khaira, Granlund, Gagner), a couple of borderline #4Cs(Brodziak, Cave) or a lower level European UFA(Haas).

Brassard would really be a great fit for this team as a 3C who can play up in the line up. Would really do a lot for this team's depth.

 

[guymez]

Why would we assume Brassard is a lock he had the 11th worst GAR rating in the league last season, if he plays at last years level he doesn't belong in the league, he got kicked around like a hacky sack for a reason. I'd assume Neal is a lock cause it seems likely his shooting percentage will gravitate closer to the norm, but if he puts up another 20-25 point level season he's likely out of the league as well, cause he doesn't bring enough to the table outside of his offensive game.

Granlund should be a lock his numbers and his versatility in both roles that he can play and ability to line up in multiple positions should keep him on the main roster.

Its makes more sense to look at last season as outliers for both Neal and Brassard.

 

[belair]

Brassard scored 14 goals last year...

And 23 whole points while being a drag on three different rosters in terms of possession. Doesn't kill penalties either.

He seems like a bad gamble who won't help you anywhere if his offense doesn't rebound.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

The Oilers should be looking at Honka from Dallas. Seem slike hes not going to get much of a shot there and could be a change of scenery player

Hes a RHD, former 1st round pick and had some pretty good AHL seasons. Even in the NHL, his underlying numbers were pretty solid. Hed be a great candidate to bring in to put on the bottom pairing and see if he can reach his potential

The problem is Edmonton already has a plethora of similar level defensemen.

There also isn't anyone to partner him with and protect him.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

And 23 whole points while being a drag on three different rosters in terms of possession. Doesn't kill penalties either.

He seems like a bad gamble who won't help you anywhere if his offense doesn't rebound.

If only he had a long history of being a consistent producer and was only coming off one bad season ... oh wait.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

No they arent lol. The bastardization of analytics is hilarious. They are showing Lucic was slightly better when it comes to possession stats than Neal was. It was one specific category. It is also very true Neal has poor possession metrics

How that got twisted into "Lucic has great analytics" is hilarious

I ain’t makin’ it up....see below

From SKRusty:

“Looking at the advanced stats comparatively speaking Lucic was the best of a poor Oiler team. Some might infer that means nothing but he did have better possession numbers than Connor, Klefbom, Draisaitl, Nurse and Larsson. For a guy that bounced around the bottom 3 lines those are respectable results. Milan and Oscar were the only Oilers with 400 plus minutes to achieve over 50% CORSI. Considering how bad Lucic's season went I was very impressed with that stat line. Give him some talent to work with and his issue getting points will disappear.”

Several other Flame Adv Stats guys have parroted this train of thought as well. Play Lucic with talent (like maybe McDavid, RNH or Drai perhaps ??) and he will put up points. Which we know he won’t playing the 3rd or 4th line in Calgary or even playing with McDavid here did it not happen.

 

[guymez]

I ain’t makin’ it up....see below

From SKRusty:

“Looking at the advanced stats comparatively speaking Lucic was the best of a poor Oiler team. Some might infer that means nothing but he did have better possession numbers than Connor, Klefbom, Draisaitl, Nurse and Larsson. For a guy that bounced around the bottom 3 lines those are respectable results. Milan and Oscar were the only Oilers with 400 plus minutes to achieve over 50% CORSI. Considering how bad Lucic's season went I was very impressed with that stat line. Give him some talent to work with and his issue getting points will disappear.”

Several other Flame Adv Stats guys have parroted this train of thought as well. Play Lucic with talent (like maybe McDavid, RNH or Drai perhaps ??) and he will put up points. Which we know he won’t playing the 3rd or 4th line in Calgary or even playing with McDavid here did it not happen.

This underscores the issue with looking at Analytics in a vacuum. Analytics are very useful and important IMO but only when used as supplemental information.

 

[belair]

If only he had a long history of being a consistent producer and was only coming off one bad season ... oh wait.

Long history of producing as a second line center.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Someone tweeted we hired Michigan asst coach to assist Tippett

 

[Soundwave]

If you can get Brassard for cheap on a 1 year, it wouldn't be a bad gamble to take.

Even if the logic is to want to keep cap room open for some kind of mid-season roster boosting trade, in such a trade you likely can dump Brassard or Gagner or Manning as the 1 year contract dumps to even out salary anyway. Those types of trades usually have you sending a draft pick over.