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Nobody is going to take Neal. The point is including Nurse and taking a smaller return on him.
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Nobody is going to take Neal. The point is including Nurse and taking a smaller return on him.
Del Preston
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Keith is still heavily involved on the amateur side of things too.
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I think Wright bumped Bob Green down.
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He signed with Karpat because they'll be playing before we do. That contract has an NHL out clause. Broberg is also heading back to Sweden.
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Well I'm more thinking Neal to a team that has cap space that isn't very good. Don't know that those teams would be in the running for Pie or Krug. At the same time I have no idea if we are in the running for them either.
Considering we have about $10m in cap with multiple needs, I'd wager we're not.
An effective third line center, a 30-40 game back up and one or two good complimentary forwards are probably in the cards. Benning, Russell and Chiasson probably get dangled to free up additional cap and potentially get us a few more picks in the mid rounds and maybe we get a veteran D to fill in for injuries if there's cap left.
Athanasiou and Puljujarvi are two wild cards.
This Is so bad. My gosh, wild don't need wingers & aren't trading Ek, a young shutdown c & Brodin for average bad players.
Larson isn't better than Brodin. Wild don't need a when they have Fiala and Kaprizov.
Guerin would laugh and hang up
That’s my point, JP could have signed in EDM then could have been loaned, exactly like Broberg, exactly like Berglund, exactly like Niemalinen. But he didn’t, don’t you think it’s odd that he’s the ONLY prospect to just not sign a deal and be loaned? All of his quotes are the same in all the articles, “never say never” etc.. To me that’s Holland giving him a script till they deal him. Because they have zero leverage if he keeps blasting EDM with his agent.
Look at a RW depth signed for next season
Kassian
Yamamoto
Archibald
Chiasson
Who sits next season so JP can play third line? Not the guy you just gave a long term deal in Kassian, not the young player who just had a breakout season, not arguably your best PK FWD, not your net front PP 2.25M dollar player.
Stauffer even pointed out exactly that and said he doesn’t see JP coming back on his radio show a couple weeks back, an odd thing to hear from a team employee
No, not really. They still need to hammer out a contract and it wasn't exactly a priority with the whole bubble situation ongoing.
JP playing in Finland doesn't hurt the Oilers in any way. It gives the kid playing time and clearly he's happier. If it gets to the point where he wants to start the year in Edmonton, they can make it happen.
Replacing Chiasson with Puljujarvi probably saves them a bit of money next season.
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I doubt either would sign here but we should do whatever it takes to try and land Pietrangelo and worry about the cap after.
Nobody is taking Chiasson off our hands without a sweetener, without his PP time here this season he’s a 4th line FWD at best. Your also talking 4th line RW, Pulju isn’t coming back to Edmonton to play on the 4th line. I’d like to be wrong, and I’d like to come see him back here and succeed, I just don’t think it’s happening here.
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Nah Kassian more than anyone else was hindered by the lack of fan noise. He feeds off us more than any player I’ve ever seen. If the fans were there things would have been different for him.
LOL no. He's got his contract, he's comfortable, what's there to play for?
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So why was he fine before the break even after signing his big deal? He needs the energy from the crowd to feed on. Most aggressive players like Kassian are like that:
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I wonder if we could add Vatanen this offseason. He's a UFA and I doubt Carolina re-sign him. Get rid off Russell.
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Adds a d-man with some puck-moving ability and offensive skills. Pretty balanced D and you have Bouchard who can fill in for Larsson.
Klefbom-Vatanen
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Adds a d-man with some puck-moving ability and offensive skills. Pretty balanced D and you have Bouchard who can fill in for Larsson.
In two seasons here he's shown to be a very effective checking winger and a net front PP option. This isn't a player that we would have a difficult time finding a home for if it came down to it.
And looking at the NHL RW depth I see just Kailer Yamamoto as the only player who really belongs on a scoring line at this level. There aren't any roles set in stone at this point.
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You don't need to worry about it after. Simple math will show you that it can't be done. This year, then next year, the year after that...
I actually posted a rough cap outlook a few weeks back. Things will get tough with the flat cap and our guys getting their next deals. We're also not in a situation where a 30/31 year old Pietrangelo necessarily pushes us over the hump. How do you think his game ages heading into his 30s on a team that would be starved for depth due to the frivolous spending you're suggesting?
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Burnt Biscuits
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That is an outlandishly huge overhaul on our D that it just becomes completely unrealistic.
I see the value in a consistent guy like Dumoulin a lot of our guys are subject to a few more ups and downs then most d-cores, but we are downgrading skill wise here and Klef definitely has the higher ceiling. I'm a Klef fan and would prefer to stick with him, but I could see why someone might want to do something like this. This is the equivalent of the Tom Gilbert for Nick Schultz trade just a couple tiers up in player quality.
Carolina has been trying to become a consistent playoff team for years and right now they are, I highly doubt they want to rock the boat and move a big fixture like Hamilton out. They'd likely want a huge overpay and I don't think this is one.
3rd trade wouldn't bother me and it doesn't feel completely unreasonable value wise, Brodin and Klef are really good friends and like playing together if we were to acquire him it seems to make sense to try them together, Brodin has quite a bit of experience playing the RD position. We paid a pretty penny for both Larsson and AA so it doesn't look like a good trade chain, but I could see the deal making us better.
4th trade is a Merry Christmas present to Van, players like Pearson don't fetch that kind of return, it wasn't long ago he was traded for Carl Hagelin and Erik Gudbranson who had roughly 3rd round pick valuations. Even if you were giving Pearson credit for a bounce back season (who knows if he can sustain it) you're talking a 2nd round pick valuation. Are we upgrading the 2nd to a 1st just to eat 1 year on Russell's deal? That's madness. If you want $4M in capspace immediately that's pretty close to what you save on a Neal buy-out ($3.83M)
I'm doubtful Kassian has any value in the league with his new contract in place, before it sure, but I think a lot of teams would view $3.2M as being on the high side for him given most of his production was with McDrai.
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Pulju won't be signing for this long and that cheap, especially after holding out, maybe a 1 year deal at that price or a 2 year deal if we flirt with $2M, 3 years is likely out of the question for both sides.
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Fair points.
My rationale in acquiring Dumoulin is that he would be a better fit on a pairing with an offensive defender like Hamilton. Guy has played the same role as partners with Letang in Pittsburgh. You get a more consistent defender. You lose the PP ability of Klef, but that's arguable how much value he provides there anyway.
Hamilton still seems like the odd man out in Carolina. They have a LOT of defenders and have played well for large stretches this season with Hamilton out due to injury. They quite possibly don't need him. If they want more I'd consider throwing in Samorukov.
Fourth trade is basically just replacing Russell's salary with Pearson's, except Pearson would play a more useful role on the team since he has the offensive ability to play with McDavid. It's an overpay for sure, but if it makes you feel better you could probably throw the 1st into the trade for Hamilton instead and throw a prospect into the Pearson trade instead.
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I don't like the Ennis-Drai-Yamo combo, it didn't look all that good in the short stint. I normally wouldn't put much value in such a short test run especially after a disjointed COVID shortened season, but I think mechanically Ennis and Yamo being overly small forces Drai into the position of having to do a disproportionate amount of the boardwork which draws him out of shooting positions, which is a real shame given he's one of our best finishers.
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