Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Subban Talk

[Aceboogie]

Jenner has a career high of 49 points. His 30 goals were put up when he scored at a 11% s% at evens. Which, as weve seen from Eberle in 2011 when he scored 34, is not repeatable. Lets say he settles as a 25 goal, 25 assist, 50 point two way center and Savard settles as a #4 offensive D capable of 35 points on average. Is that really worth the risk of dealing a potential elite goal scorer of this era?

Id aim a little higher than those two

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Savard is better than Reinhart but that chart should show you Savard is nothing special.

Nothing really to say Savard is really at all that special.

Well he's not going to solve everything, no. My main concern would be injuries and not how good he is though.

I don't think Jarmo offers Jones unless RNH is involved. He did just trade his best trade chip for him.

 

[ivanthebad*]

Jenner has a career high of 49 points. His 30 goals was put up when he scored at a 11% s% at evens. Which, as weve seen from Eberle in 2011 when he scored 34, is not repeatable

Actually, Ebs was on pace to repeat his 3rd lock out year. The coaching, goaltending and overall team got significantly worse after that, so his drop off in production is not shocking.

 

[KidAnger]

Well he's not going to solve everything, no. My main concern would be injuries and not how good he is though.

I don't think Jarmo offers Jones unless RNH is involved. He did just trade his best trade chip for him.

I wouldn't do that deal that Stauff brought up (Savard doesn't excite me) but to extrapolate what you said.

What about...

Jones
Jenner
2nd round pick

For

RNH
2nd/3rd pick
Reinhart

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I wouldn't do that deal that Stauff brought up (Savard doesn't excite me) but to extrapolate what you said.

What about...

Jones
Jenner
2nd round pick

For

RNH
2nd/3rd pick
Reinhart

IMO I'd want a pick coming back. I think that's how you manipulate Jarmo not by asking for his big guns.

As I said earlier;

3rd (Puljujarvi?)
Yakupov

for

5th (Dubois?)
Savard
Rychel

 

[Aceboogie]

Well he's not going to solve everything, no. My main concern would be injuries and not how good he is though.

I don't think Jarmo offers Jones unless RNH is involved. He did just trade his best trade chip for him.

I think his options are pretty limited. I mean he cant really manuever cap much in his team due to NTCs. An offer sheet is a very, very real threat. I mean Sweeney tossed away Hamilton to first team that asked when their was a whisper Chiarelli was going to OS Hamilton. Boston wasnt as cap strapped as Columbus. I think a very good move would go to Jarmo and offer him a reasonable deal for Jones and if he declines OS him. It may not even get to that point because there is probably another team lining up to OS Jones

You go to any meetings with Columbus with intentions of gutting them. Not of offering them a rosie deal so everyone can be friends and act in everyones best interests

 

[Aceboogie]

I wouldn't do that deal that Stauff brought up (Savard doesn't excite me) but to extrapolate what you said.

What about...

Jones
Jenner
2nd round pick

For

RNH
2nd/3rd pick
Reinhart

Jesus. We nearly had RNH for Jones straight up

So Laine + Reinhart for Jenner + 2nd round pick.

That screams massive embarassing underpayment.

 

[Aceboogie]

If we are doing a mega deal (which we wont be) its:

Jones+ 5th + Jenner

for

2nd overall + RNH+ Reinhart

RNH for Jones
2nd overall + Reinhart for 5th overall + Jenner (Gap between 2nd and 5th is big. Nearly same as Reinhart and Jenner)

The opp cost of settling for Jenner and Savard is huge. 2nd overall lands you a top pairing D (like a really good one). Dont settle for depth players and 2nd liners

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

If we are doing a mega deal (which we wont be) its:

Jones+ 5th + Jenner

for

2nd overall + RNH+ Reinhart

RNH for Jones
2nd overall + Reinhart for 5th overall + Jenner (Gap between 2nd and 5th is big. Nearly same as Reinhart and Jenner)

The opp cost of settling for Jenner and Savard is huge. 2nd overall lands you a top pairing D (like a really good one). Dont settle for depth players and 2nd liners

that's probably a lot more doable.

I don't know if Chiarelli offers Reinhart....maybe Lagesson? Definitely something going back.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Savards 17 ES points ranked 48th in the NHL for D. Hes not putting up massive numbers or anything. Its incredibly hard to score 40. I doubt he does

The 3rd overall pick would carry insane value. Not sure why people would be fine using it to upgrade forwards and get a average middle pairing D (if that). I dunno for me, id want a top pairing D. I can live with our forwards

You should see the argument i'm having with a Sharks fan about why Vatanen isn't a top pairing defenceman and why Draisaitl is never going to be a Duck. it's high comedy, and honestly, I'm not sure I'd value Vatanen much more highly than Savard. Savard at least has size and some semblance of a physical game.

 

[McPuritania]

You should see the argument i'm having with a Sharks fan about why Vatanen isn't a top pairing defenceman and why Draisaitl is never going to be a Duck. it's high comedy, and honestly, I'm not sure I'd value Vatanen much more highly than Savard. Savard at least has size and some semblance of a physical game.

Just read the exchange.

Seems to me like he's using subtle trolling in his responses, and people are patting him on the back for it. Guy is taking shots at you the poster instead of your argument, and uses your rebuttal to support his personal shots.

Classic example of why I don't post there any more. Just a **** show.

 

[CornKicker]

I think his options are pretty limited. I mean he cant really manuever cap much in his team due to NTCs. An offer sheet is a very, very real threat. I mean Sweeney tossed away Hamilton to first team that asked when their was a whisper Chiarelli was going to OS Hamilton. Boston wasnt as cap strapped as Columbus. I think a very good move would go to Jarmo and offer him a reasonable deal for Jones and if he declines OS him. It may not even get to that point because there is probably another team lining up to OS Jones

You go to any meetings with Columbus with intentions of gutting them. Not of offering them a rosie deal so everyone can be friends and act in everyones best interests

lets be honest here i think most would wave to get the hell out of another rebuild

 

[Aceboogie]

lets be honest here i think most would wave to get the hell out of another rebuild

True, but with familys and stuff it complicates things

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Just read the exchange.

Seems to me like he's using subtle trolling in his responses, and people are patting him on the back for it. Guy is taking shots at you the poster instead of your argument, and uses your rebuttal to support his personal shots.

Classic example of why I don't post there any more. Just a **** show.

At least my shots hit the net, brah.

 

[belair]

Id easily protect him over Reinhart. I mean Reinhart has the upside of Luke Schenn. Demers is a legit #4, actually more of a #3. If Davidson reaches Demers peak we should be happy. If Reinhart ever reaches it, we should all buy lotto tickets

I'd pay money to see one of the Nostradamus posters to say something like this to Peter Chiarelli and see what kind of reaction they get. Reinhart is a 22 year old kid. It's universally known that defenseman take longer to develop. The only reason this kid is overlooked or dismissed is because of what the Oilers gave up for him.

Reinhart is a 6'4, homegrown talent whose best known quality is his intelligence. Not exactly a carbon copy of Luke Schenn. Jason Demers has offensive numbers going for him and he fits an organizational need but he's hardly a guy you tie to your organization for an extended period of time.

 

[Up the Irons]

Jenner has a career high of 49 points. His 30 goals were put up when he scored at a 11% s% at evens. Which, as weve seen from Eberle in 2011 when he scored 34, is not repeatable. Lets say he settles as a 25 goal, 25 assist, 50 point two way center and Savard settles as a #4 offensive D capable of 35 points on average. Is that really worth the risk of dealing a potential elite goal scorer of this era?

Id aim a little higher than those two

but this is the fear that has paralyzed the whole organization (and fanbase) for years now. At what point does the present trump the mystical future? not saying that's the trade that would make the most sense; there may very well be better offers. But its time to put value into immediately help, not just which players will have the overall better careers.

 

[McPuritania]

At least my shots hit the net, brah.

Well then we have definitive proof that you are in fact, not Andrej Sekera.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Well then we have definitive proof that you are in fact, not Andrej Sekera.

You'd have more respect for Sekbeauty if you knew his name translate fairly directly into "Andy Axe".

 

[Up the Irons]

You'd have more respect for Sekbeauty if you knew his name translate fairly directly into "Andy Axe".

really? sweet handle!!

 

[McPuritania]

You'd have more respect for Sekbeauty if you knew his name translate fairly directly into "Andy Axe".

I'd have a ton of respek for 'im if he hit the damn net once and a while!

really? sweet handle!!

 

[Birdperson]

Jenner + Savard is interesting but Savard isn't anything more than a sketchy 2nd pairing guy and that's not worth a top 5 pick.

I'd rather move the pick for Hamonic than Savard + Jenner, if those were my only two options.

edit: Maybe trade it for Jenner + Savard then move Savard for Hamonic leaving you to move RNH for Barrie

That way center depth is

McDavid
Jenner
Draisaitl

So no worry about Draisaitl not being ready as he can play cushy minutes on the third line. And Hamonic/Barrie add crazy good depth to a **** defense.

Hey, I like this idea.

 

[ivanthebad*]

I'd have a ton of respek for 'im if he hit the damn net once and a while!


He wasn't paid to hit the net. Justin Schultz was

 

[Soundwave]

If I'm dealing a no.3 pick I want a top pairing d-man coming back clear cut.

Savard I dunno about, Columbus fans even seem wishy washy on him and his advanced numbers are not very good. He's a more offensive version of Sekera with worse defense it looks like.

I'd be willing to offer sheet all of Seth Jones, Vatanen, Trouba, and Lindholm but I would make fair hockey offers on all four first. One of these four will shake loose.

Vatanen is our guy IMO.

RNH + Reinhart for
Seth Jones + Kerby Rychel

Eberle
for
Vatanen

If they say no, then you offer sheet at $6+ million.

Oilers draft Laine/Puljujarvi/Dubois

Maroon McDavid Laine
Hall Draisaitl Pouliot
Khaira UFA Kassian
Hendricks Letestu Pakirenen

Klefbom Vatanen
Sekera Jones
Davidson Nurse

Expansion draft you protect Hall, Draisaitl, Maroon, one other forward, Klefbom, Vatanen, Jones, Davidson. McDavid, Laine, Nurse I believe are expansion draft protected.

 

[Spawn]

If I'm dealing a no.3 pick I want a top pairing d-man coming back clear cut.

Savard I dunno about, Columbus fans even seem wishy washy on him and his advanced numbers are not very good. He's a more offensive version of Sekera with worse defense it looks like.

I'd be willing to offer sheet all of Seth Jones, Vatanen, Trouba, and Lindholm but I would make fair hockey offers on all four first. One of these four will shake loose.

Vatanen is our guy IMO.

RNH + Reinhart for
Seth Jones + Kerby Rychel

Eberle
for
Vatanen

If they say no, then you offer sheet at $6+ million.

Oilers draft Laine/Puljujarvi/Dubois

Maroon McDavid Laine
Hall Draisaitl Pouliot
Khaira UFA Kassian
Hendricks Letestu Pakirenen

Klefbom Vatanen
Sekera Jones
Davidson Nurse

Expansion draft you protect Hall, Draisaitl, Maroon, one other forward, Klefbom, Vatanen, Jones, Davidson. McDavid, Laine, Nurse I believe are expansion draft protected.

Sekera will be required to be protected due to NMC. So you'd need to leave someone else exposed. Or do 5 d-men and 3 forwards.

Agree with you on trading the pick. I kind of like Savard. But he's a borderline top 4 guy imo. On a good team he's on a bottom pairing. He's also not particularly dynamic offensively. I get we're desperate for some offense from the back end. But Savard's career high of 35 points isn't exactly world class.

The Blue Jackets want the Oilers 1st rounder, I want Seth Jones. Not two lesser pieces.

 

[duul]

Man, Nashville and San Jose are both so good. We have a long way to go to be as good as them and they're both in the second tier of teams in the league. Their power plays and pace are just so damn quick.